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I just want to say thanks to the Dawg fans for coming to this forum and engaging with civility. Some like myself would say it even has a touch of humility coming from such a dominating program. Heres to a competitive game that gives everyone the feeling of competitiveness. Good luck Tigers!!

I've been following basketball, high school basketball, Silsbee basketball for at least 55 years. I have yet to see a coach, even some considered 'a good coach' (for some that's a euphemism for deeper & uglier issues) take a team lacking in talent to anywhere significant. Good coaches and teams with lots of talent generally gravitate together, like beans and rice, BBQ & potatoe salad. It just works that way. Would to goodness basketball forums and people who post to basketball forums who actually know basketball worked that way, but that is not always the case. Enough of that. I've seen or heard of a lot of good Silsbee coaches: Dan Montgomery, Fred Williams, Travis Williams, coach Green, Sigler. They were all good coaches IMO. Coach Sigler won two state championships. Is he the best coach of them all? Maybe, maybe not. As someone posted his record speaks for itself. Also I've experienced Silsbee basketball teams being on the short end of some hard defeats and downright blowouts. They got blown out by FB Bush in the FB tournament. Madison blew them off the court in a playoff warm up game. Some big school beat em bad in the SA tournament. Wagner did it too. It BEs that way from time to time. Sometimes you have the shotgun, other times you're dodging the pellets, figuratively speaking. I drove out to Humble/Atascosita and watched HJ play Yates in a playoff game a few years ago. 'Good coaching' lasted about a half a quarter. After that I couldn't hear myself think. The Yates fans were making too much noise. Stuff like that happens in hs basketball, or any basketball. There's an often quoted bible verse that is really not a bible verse: This too shall pass.

Freshman Jared Harris finished with 23 points 6 Assists 6 Rebounds for Tigers

It's Onalaska

Everyone knew that Silsbee would be a little down this year, even when they get all their players in a couple of weeks. But you couple that with the fact that Silsbee is missing anywhere from 8-10 varsity players right now, this result was to be expected. I spoke with Coach Davis a month or so ago about this game and he had a good idea about this game. He told me he really wished they could have played later in the season but this was really the only time he and Joe could get a date to play. It is what it is. Personally, I think HJ has the better team even when Silsbee has all their players and would win that game as well. Just not in the fashion they did last night. Most folks with any knowledge of the game would know this. These are not excuses, just facts. And if one chooses to make the result a reflection on the coaching abilities of the two men, so be it. But last night wasn't a fair fight and it showed. I have been saying it for a few months now, better get your licks in on Silsbee this year while you can. Starting next year, things will be back to Silsbee dominance again.

From Coach Clay Davis: Hardin-Jefferson Basketball tSpon3nsohreedo · The Hawks got on the winning track tonight with a 94-62 win over Silsbee. I need to give props to Coach Sigler and his staff and team. They have 9-10 varsity players still in football. There are a lot of programs that would’ve cancelled the game. Coach Sigler and his group came over and battled. I’ve been in that situation in Tatum and Jasper and we did the same thing. I have a ton of respect for guys who take what they have and go play no matter what. The Hawks are now 1-1 on the season and will host Lufkin on Saturday in a varsity only double header with our girls.. Girls at 11:30 am and boys at 1 pm.

I’ve been saying this. I understand silsbee has guys playing football, but they never stood a chance. Isn’t surprising to see what Sig can do without his talent. Davis is obviously superior when it comes to getting the most out of his guys. Y’all can make as many excuses as y’all want but we all saw what happened tonight. Don’t @ me.

Without Jones you may not win the 1st one...he was big in regionals leading to State....IJS

My young man transferred to DHS from Mauriceville after 8th grade (Prouse's first year). My 14yr old 5'0" 98lb freshman was not allowed to compete because the UIL ruled that they couldn't prove he didn't move for athletic reasons 🤣. He never missed a two-a-day or regular practice, Coach Prouse allowed him to practice, allowed him to dress and travel with his team. At kickoff, one of the assistant's would take his helmet (to ensure he'd never get on the field). Never missed a practice and never touched the field...all year long. I was extremely proud of him and his Coaches. Today, as a Senior, he was named 1st Team All-District WR and 1st Team All-District CB. Good things will come if you work hard enough for them. Extremely proud of my young man, his team and his Coaches. Go Pirates!

I’m sorry. That Silsbee lite or whatever teams wanna call it is just so watered down and pretty lame. You win, you win. You get ran off the court, then so be it. Lots of schools basketball programs thrive without waiting for football players...

Bad news is Fort Bend Marshal in round 3 for ya. Not sure who they have played, but the have only allowed 6 points all season!

Well, another claim from Trump put to rest. Trump can keep his ball and stay home. Let the games continue. We got another ball.

I'll try 😢 By the way, this is a very good performance for someone playing their first ever game at the high school varsity level. Can't wait to see how he grows and develops over the next few years.

I would like to think that coaches use whatever system fits the talent or lack of... of the kids they have. I know that a coach is considered a bad coach when they don't win but none of them are trying to lose on purpose...even the bad ones. It's very possible that the kids currently at Lumberton just don't have the personnel to spread it out and sling it around. I understand that's what all of the sideline coaches want their hometown teams to do but let's be real. Everyone wants to go no back with some run/pass option but come on.. Why risk a 70-0 loss due to 3 incompletions and a punt every possession without burning any time. Even the offensive coordinator from Austin Westlake will NOT be able to do whatever he does at WL if he came to Lumberton.

Port Neches Groves First, then Santa Fe,then Nederland before talking about playoff opposition PLEASE !

I’m not saying they would come. I’m saying he wants a bigger school coach not a wing t guy from HJ.

Bridge City has picked up a game at Dayton Saturday 11/21/20 in replace of Kelly having to cancel on 11/13. Bridge City at Tarkington canceled on 11/23/20. Big Sandy at Bridge City added 11/24/20.

Right I just hope like the dem’s foe that the losing team would not whine and take the loss like a MAN.

I get what your saying with Lumberton enrollment going up you don’t want 5a wing t team.

Ok. That's more believable honestly.

Chicago and Earth, Wind & Fire wasn't too shabby either. 2nd row pit, I wanna thank ya.

I don't know, I just think they can do better. Assistant at Hull Daisetta, assistant somewhere in Texas City, HC in New Mexico I believe, then 2-4 in one season at Legacy. If Lumberton is forced to settle for that, they're in bad shape. No shot at Stevens, just an observation.

One would think there is a rivalry here. Lol

Bush too would of made a difference in that game, but he was in the 8th grade.

WO-S just thought they were back. HF brought them back to reality.

This is very true when you consider Devin didn't play after the incident in LCM that year. Wish we could have had him all four years. That Dallas Lincoln game in the finals might have went a little different if we had.

Feels like a long time.

I agree with your statement Carthage shutdown the Tigers but disagree on the part they made it look easy. Silsbee showed up and showed some grit.

Last year, held Tomball to 9, Crosby to 13 (so, close to ten), Santa Fe to 7.

Yes sir, the first time in a 60 year history of our school that we won a playoff game, right there in y'alls beautiful stadium!

GCM with the sweep over Port Neches 25-3 25-14 25-2

27-19 Vidor at halftime These kids are playing with some serious emotion tonight, both teams getting a little chippy. Free throw shooting contest at the end of the half.

39-30 Bob Hope at halftime

If I had to keep up with the bi-district as well as our district, I guarantee you I would be making this post stone drunk because that would be what I would be driven to.

Tigers look like Silsbee Lyte Jr😄

We aren't stagnating as much you guys are exploding. Houston is engulfing the East side of the county. What you are saying is true. Nederland is land locked with not much growth expected in the future. I really think you guys will go up a division before Nederland goes down. Having said that, I sure hope we kick the crap out of BH and Crosby!!!

not even the democrats will be able to fix this game for silsbee

I don't have a dog in the fight (see what I did there?) but I will say that I came away from the Vidor/Lindale playoff game in Carthage hugely impressed with their facilities. 7 State Championships on the marquee all this side of 2008 was pretty impressive too. Definitely had the look and feel of a big time program. Good luck, Tigers!

PN-G 70 Crosby 10

The teaching portion of any educator's salary is not a stipend. It is the base salary per the school district's salary schedule. An offensive coordinator makes exactly the same as a junior high science teacher for teaching (assuming they're on the same step of the salary schedule). Stipends are EXTRA duties. Coaching, UIL, etc.. Stipends will vary but yes, coordinators get higher stipends than just assistant football coaches. Head coaches get higher stipends than their assistants. Varsity basketball may be 7,000 while jv basketball may be half of that. Offensive/defensive coordinators may get 8,000 for coaching football while the other football coaches may get 5,000. These are all examples. Usually, if the head football coach is the AD, they will be on an administrator's salary. Usually negotiable. Stipends can be negotiable and extra stipends can be given to "sweeten the deal".. (power lifting, track, etc.) but the teacher salary is not negotiable. Yes, teacher pay scales will increase based on years of experience but it is not a stipend. It's just the salary.

Eliminate penalties+ Eliminate turnovers= GCM wins by 14.

Agree with everything you said here. If the game is close at the half, you can almost guarantee a Carthage win. Unbelievable the adjustments at the half, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Luckily Carthage is one of those teams that still puts a lot of emphasis on defense and have great players and coaches on that side of the ball. Coach Preston does an excellent job and is one of the most underrated coaches in the state. Lucky to have him.

I think Silsbee would have beaten Jasper if that game hadn't been called for weather. Momentum was shifting to Silsbee.

Danny I’m afraid you’ve got it twisted here. You have no idea who I am or what I stand for at all. I have played football with guys you might know Jason Carter from Caldwell, Texas and Billy Pittman from Cameron, Texas. They might be a little older than you but those are some friends of mine but I’ll call them acquaintances now because as life happens we lose contact. First off don’t ever call me racist because I’m the last person on this message board who’s racist. I have family in PAISD who have played football for PAISD. My children are 3/4 Hispanic. Also my playing years were over in fall of 2000 when I broke my ankle playing college football. I did come home at 19 years old coaching The line for Pop Warner Football in Nederland, then after I got married I helped start a football league in Lake Jackson/Clute Texas(which was a blessing to see numerous young men put what we instilled in them to become college prospects as they came up through through Brazosport ISD system), and then I coached in Conroe in which I had the blessing to coach my nephew(again had the blessing to see numerous young men put what we instilled in them to become college prospects). The only reason I say what we instilled in them is because that’s what each one told me when we would go watch them play Thursday and Friday nights as they grew up after we were finished coaching for years. I DON’T SAY THIS BECAUSE I’M SOME AMAZING COACH BUT IM SAYING MY COACHING PHILOSOPHY AND WHO I AM ISN’T WHO YOU THINK. My oldest played in Orangefield when the group of freshman and sophomores now went through the program. That group went to 7 semifinal games, 4 Super Bowls but lost to a great group of WOS young men twice. When I coached it wasn’t about where my son played. Also my son played center every single year of his youth career because that’s where his team needed him. He didn’t like it but he was taught it’s not about what you want it’s about what your team needs you to be. He played his heart out every game. He was an undersized center in height and weight. Now he’s earning his Old English N in Nederland. When I coached It was about putting the best athletes in positions to be successful. We also taught them we are not just a team it’s a brotherhood that will last for years to come. I taught them you play for the person next to you because we are family and family doesn’t let each other down. So no plays off. We also taught them football techniques, gaps, holes, assignments, and could run a no huddle with them running 6-9 plays straight. That’s been my coaching philosophy and that was instilled in me in 7th grade by the great middle School Coach from Nederland Jack Lynch. I coached 1 year in Nederland on a great Pee Wee team but got beat by the better team you were coaching I believe or maybe even helping in the Super Bowl. I commend you on what you’re doing for those boys, your community, and teaching those boys the game of football you love. Which I am sure they are loving just as much. Congratulations on another Super Bowl victory. Just FYI my thoughts on a message board has nothing to do with race at all. It has everything to do with seeing kids in all organizations within STJFL having games turned into hot messes by coaches, parents, fans, and refs. I’ve umpired baseball for 18 years now and stopped being football referee when my oldest started playing. You know what ruins youth sports? UNEDUCATED PARENTS on sport rules and parents who believe little Johnny is better than he really is. Also I’m not a Nederland Senior Coach. My youngest son played Nederand Youth Football on the Senior team. He was their starting center and defensive tackle #77. He was center all but 1 year in youth football. He was undersized for those positions but I would say he held his own against bigger and stronger talent. In my opinion the success of your youth program isn’t super bowl trophies but what those boys learn from you the coaches to carry with them into school ball. Then how They grow from there. I apologize for my comment PA middle school that’s on me. Like I said I feel bad for those boys because they deserve a season. Let’s Fellowship I’m down with that myself. Last name is Delahoussaye feel free to message me. My issues have nothing to do with Racism, BLACK/WHITE, or me being a racist. If you have any questions please message me personally.

PNG has not stopped the run all year. If that changes this game, it will be appreciated, but highly doubtful. That said, PNG can go no huddle , spread the field short option run & passing attack all night, if Bost is sharp. Crosby can strike fast & quick, or if need be, chew up the clock. Avoiding turnovers is a must for either team to win. If PNG & Crosby both move the ball the game can stay close. I believe Crosby will take the game by 20 if no surprises. Turnovers can turnover that score quickly. Just praying for a clean injury free game going through the rest of district.

For starters, BH had better get used to playing bigger schools...rumor has it that their enrollment will cause a move up next realignment. To me, BH is the clear favorite here...Nederland has a solid team, but I, too, watch Nederland every year, and I would not consider this team to be an "above average" Nederland team...I am a big Dog fan, but the most recent 3 wins were against the bottom feeders from the district, who frankly, just weren't very good...that said, Nederland did what they should do to these teams and beat them all handily...BH will not fall into that category. For what it's worth, I think Nederland, full healthy, is a bit better than png...I know png beat Nederland this year, but our QB got injured in that game and missed about half of it and wasn't full strength when he returned...injuries like that cannot happen against BH or it will be a long night for the Dogs...BH manhandled png, so it would stand to reason that Nederland needs to play a clean, mistake free game to compete with BH, that said, I think they can pull it off: Dogs 38 BH 35

Agreed. Crosby’s offense isn’t bad by no means it just isn’t the explosive offense that the Coogs are known for. Defense has arrived for Crosby and that is going to make you a tough out in the playoffs for anyone! Crosby will win out and grab the DC!

Did you just say something relatively good about silsbee?? Man, 2020 is a crazy year...

Silsbee will keep it close for almost a half and then their lack of depth (several players go both ways) will catch up with them in 2nd half. Carthage 42-14

I would like to commend the Mustang players, band and fans, although outmanned, they gave it their all. They never gave up and fought to the very last play. The Mustangs and community are winners.