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Don’t know him but have heard this from multiple sources I know and trust. Now stop trying to lend sanity and reason to this otherwise trainwreck of a thread. P.S. to mods - can we lift Cardinal Backer’s suspension for this thread only? I feel like he was made for this thread.

My two cents re: ArmbandGate. There may not be evidence that stealing the armband (That’s what it was. The instant he intentionally did not return the armband to its rightful owner while knowing it wasn’t his to keep, it became a theft) helped LCM win the game, but it’s evidence that at least one LCM coach (1) stole from another team, (2) lied when he had an obligation to tell the truth, and (3) took steps to cover up his theft even while direct inquiries were being made to him about the armband’s location and what he did with it. That has to be punished. If an attorney did something like this in a trial he might be disbarred. And, the team should have had to forfeit the game. Letting LCM skate on this invites exactly the message people are making here today, that “it must not have been that big of a deal if it didn’t warrant a forfeit.” It’s very much a big deal, an astonishing example of bad faith and dishonesty from a public employee in charge of children. It was a blatant violation of sportsmanship, human decency, and the law. Most of us will remember that in 2018 PNG had to forfeit a game they won against Crosby under less severe circumstances. A coach had an iPad in the press box - Against the rules. So, even though it was agreed by the district members that there had been no effect on the game’s outcome, PNG was forced to forfeit. There was no lying, or hiding evidence by PNG as there was by LCM - it was simply, “You broke a rule and we have to send a message.” LCM broke the rules, and the district should have sent a stronger message.

I assume they want their $500 watch back

The ignorance from this ordeal is laughable. It's a lot of LCM support or justification of obvious cheating. Did it completely dictate the result of the game? No. Did it play a role in the result of the game? Yes. Understanding tendencies or deciphering hand signals is gamesmanship, but having your hands on electronics your opponent uses to relay plays is full blown cheating. Both of these teams are good and based off the second half score it's a one possession game that could have gone either way. Player discovers opponents wrist band and then brings it to his coach. Coach gives the wrist band to the ref and it is returned to the team it belongs to and you play ball. It's that simple of a scenario that could have happened but when nobody was looking the wrong decision was made to gain a competitive advantage.

You are a joke. The LCM coach had zero integrity. Your analogy makes zero sense.

Here are the details that I know. In the LC-M/BC game of two weeks ago an incident happened at the beginning of the game that caused BC to raise questions. BC has electronic wristbands for their offensive play calling. The offensive players wear these "watches" and the offensive co. gives the play call from his tablet to these watches. This is the first year that UIL has allowed teams to use these devices. BC and a couple of other area teams use these devices. I hear they are pretty expensive. But that's here nor there. At the beginning of the game (opening kickoff) an LC-M player found one of these "watches" and instead of giving it to a game official (which in NCAA rules, you are required to) he gave it to one of his coaches. The coach never gave it to an official. It was shown on game film the coach being handed the "watch". It was also shown on game film during the game that this coach, who is an offensive coach, stayed very close to the defensive co. all during the first half. BC did not learn of the watch missing until right before halftime. They asked for it back. But it is not the responsibility of game officials to ask the opponent for it. School admins, coaches have to get involved. TASO has no say so in the matter. They are only responsible when given the device to get it back to rightful team. BC even had coaches and admins search LC-M sidelines during halftime to look for watch. There is also no in game penalty to access the team who confiscated the device. LC-M claimed they did not have the device and has yet to turn it over. But video evidence shows otherwise. What the video doesn't prove if the coach or coaches were able to use the device to their advantage. But the halftime score was 17-0 in favor of LC-M. BC stopped using their devices in 2nd half. Final score was 24-16, LC-M. A meeting today of the district supts. to discuss this issue and vote on a possible forfeiture or reprimands. The vote was 3-3. So no forfeiture. This is definitely an ethics situation and not necessarily a rules violation. DEC and UIL would have to govern and determine what type action. IMO, it's a black eye on all involved but like I stated earlier, should not warrant a forfeiture of game.

51 years since last Distric championship, this team is special. Coaching is fantastic, Boys playing hard week in and week out. Lots of History being made this season for the Hardin Hornets Football Program.

So is it true or not true that the LCM coaching staff went to a Chauncey Billups coaching clinic this past summer?

I’d like it to go on record that the yahoos on this thread spewing nonsense and trying to change the subject make up what is a (very) loud minority of LCM folks. I’ve known Hunter a long time and consider him a friend. Looks like he made a mistake in the heat of battle and will have to live with the consequences. Unfortunate situation all around.

The defensive coordinator never signals the defense until after the BC players look at their watches.

Or just the game to be played the right way....

UIL is unpredictable. 🤷🏾‍♂️ Map comprehension isn't their thing sometimes.

Uncle spidey???

My sophomore year at Hardin we moved from 2A to 3A for the first time. We played our former 2A opponents as non district games and were undefeated going into district. I was a starting LB and I’ll never forget coming from small town Hardin into Beaumont and playing in this huge stadium lol. I think we won 2 or3 district games, I’ll always wonder about “what could have been” if we had stayed 2A that year. Johnny Marsh at QB, Anthony Scott and Daniel Marsh at running backs, man what a team that was. I’m super proud of this years team, way to go boys!!

My disdain is BCs intentions were clear to me.... They wanted an lcm forfeiture. They weren't concerned with getting the watch returned or refunded or anything of that nature.

The UIL board all said they can see and lean towards LCM having an advantage, but didn't have enough to "go down that bumpy road" But you heard what you want to hear I'm sure.

"If we cheated in this game, we would have self-reported"😂

Peevey said, “I will state it again and again that we didn’t use any technology to help us win against Bridge City. I’m done with this. I don’t want to be spiteful because that’s not the kind of person I am. I’m ready to move on because we have a huge game against Lumberton.” The above quote from the HC at LCM is prime example of why this fire will not burn out. Playing victim as if they are being attacked or accused of any wrongdoing. I'm not sure what he would have to be spiteful about given the evidence and circumstances. Let's see if LCM changes tune tomorrow in front of the UIL.

KOGT posted an in depth article. Stelly is more reliable than any news source in SETX.

The winner/loser of this game has no effect whatsoever in my life. The coach is going to take the fall I know the focus is on him but it's the entire coaching staff. It's the arrogance being displayed. You want to hold 10 people with opinions accountable on the forum, yet you are ok with a coach showing the young men he mentors to avoid accountability and integrity.

It’s deeper than the game for crying out loud,your famous coach cheated…LCM is nobody’s Super Bowl either,get that out of your head!

If they wouldn't do that, why is there so much evidence that they did that? (asking for a friend)

At this point with video of the LCM player handing over the watch to an assistant coach. I am going to use critical thinking skills. The assistant coach lied during the meeting. He then owns up to it in the same meeting. He is now the face of the whole scandal and will face the jury. It goes way beyond that. LCM knew what they had. They used it to gain a huge advantage in a big game LCM staff has lied from half time of the BC -LCM game and the days following. Anyone who does not believe the watch was used by the LCM staff during the first half needs to be honest with themselves. They are really looking worse in this situation each day by continuing to lie and act offended they are being accused of cheating. No Accountability & No Integrity

No body said it is”clearly “ the only reason LCM won…but it was clearly used to gain a competitive edge and that means cheating and not being the role model these kids look up to!

I really dislike the opt-up option.

1a would be full

10:30pm Saturday!!

If Huffman picks up a single napkin or mouthpiece with writing on it friday. Bc taking it straight to the Supreme court.

I will say I think Coach Williams has done an outstanding job at United this year....and that sentiment has been given to me by multiple head coaches in the district unprompted

This is a crazy question. But it depends on who you ask. The casual Beaumont person that you’ll find in barber shops, restaurants, ect, absolutely. Fans and people actively involved with the boosters and stuff…. Absolutely. The students at the respective schools? Yes. Administration is another story. Both at the school level and the district level. School level, with the growing problem of low test scores. The schools are having to place the big sport like football on the back burner and focus on academics. This means low quality football coaches, due to inadequate salaries and resources. And that’s just the school level admin. The district level admin seem to ONLY be focused on basketball. Football takes a back seat. You can clearly see this when one of those coaching jobs come open. Seems to be quality hires every time. Just one guy’s thoughts on it.

I guess Huffman doesn’t wear watches.

I agree......And the elephant in the room, " Nederland is YOUNG'' is really true. Rich is in a tough spot as his measuring stick is the guy across the tracks. The dogs need coordinators, let's see if this happens.

Dayton by as much as they want -

This was a good game to watch. PNG needed a game like this. I gotta give it to the Montgomery coach’s for their defensive halftime adjustments. They completely shut the run game down after getting run over in the first half. Each time when it looked like Montgomery was going to take the game over our coach’s would make a good play call on both sides of the ball. This coaching staff just knows how to win football games! Hopefully we don’t let them get away anytime soon! The catch and run that Jackson made before the half was a huge play in the game. That was one hell of a catch and run. He made up for all of the dropped touchdowns this season on that one play. If he ever gets consistent with his hands, look out because he is fast and can jump! I look for big things out of him in the next couple of seasons. Great job Indian’s!

Not sure who predicted a blowout, but Ill take an 8 point DC win any day, I love this game. A team needs a good hard fought game to get ready for the playoffs. If the radio stats are correct PN-G hung a 500 on them. PN-G hasn't given up over 38 points this season. 38 tonight, 29 to Huntsville and no one else has scored more than 21 this season. An average of 18 ppg. Allowing a total of 166 points. While scoring just under 400. for 44 PPG. Still have a game against Dayton. Looking forward to facing our Purple Brothers from across the river. I believe Coach Joseph is now 50 and 6 as PN-Gs coach and 15-1 in 1 score games. We are very lucky to have the coaches that we do. Also the very impressive QB from Montgomery hasn't threw a pic this season. The Indians put the pressure on him and got two pics. and held him to a QBR of 39,4. Was it the greatest night for PN-G? No. However they played a hell of a game and won against a great football team. Hats off to Montgomery for playing a great football game. PNG-s defense held RB Ben to 105 yards. That in itself is a statement. That kiddo is a hoss.. PNG won this game with pressure the second half causing their great QB to be unable to get set to pass the ball. Great game Indians and hats off to Montgomery for playing a hell of a game again.

This was a playoff game. Hopefully we learned a lot. Defense went through a refiner’s fire tonight. We need to get better from it.

PNG gets the ball to start the 2nd half. I don’t think Montgomery can stop them. PNG just needs to limit Montgomery’s big plays. They have some dudes.

LCM won't be able to contain Lumberton's momentum. They have been on fire since that big loss to Bridge City. Lumberton by 2 scores.

Hardin's first undefeated season ever. Congrats, Hornets!!!

Thats Pigskin Prep's formula.....we just run it on our site...it takes into account SOS, opponents SOS, etc.....if you are favored to win by 30 and you "only" win by 27 you'll drop some because you didnt cover the "spread"

BC rent free in bobcat fans heads at all times.

The watch or band tells the players exactly what play is going to be run. It's easy enough for anyone who knows football to know what's coming. Video shows the LCM DC hiding behind a few players and looking at the device and then signaling his players to one side or another and run or pass. If you're a DC and you see "counter right" where are you putting your players? It's an integrity issue. No rule against it. Sure doesn't look good though.

I cannot fault BC for loosing the device. When they realized one was missing, they then asked for it back. That's where LC-M dropped the ball in denying they even had the device even though game film afterwards showed they did indeed have it. It's an ethics thing. Looks bad on LC-M part in claiming innocence of it all. BC is not being petty at all in this instance.

A lot of what ifs in that ... I'll just go with how the game played out . First half 17-0 LCM with BC play calls in hand . Second half 16-7 BC against a watchless LCM Defensive Coordinator. Another coincidence...that was probably the best half of football for the LCM defense this year.

I would say it didn't hurt. Come on acting like having every offensive play call in the first half didn't play a part is naive 😂

Coaching is not the issue. Last years team went 2-8 as sophmores. It is a similar cycle this year. The seniors have really put the effort into this season, but no fault of their own, there just wasn't that many of them. Underclassman are all over the field on both sides of the ball. Nederland, for majority of the games, have been really competetive. Too many stretches were mistakes/turnovers are made that snowball quickly and are too difficult to overcome. I share in the frustration that we continue to make these mistakes and are not learning from them more quickly. The future is bright for Nederland. Receipts are being kept. I am thankful for Coach Rich and the rest of the staff for everything they do for our kids. Some of these posts would make you think that we do not work on anything, but nothing could be farther from the truth. I know there is a lot of people around our community who are disapointed with this season, but I assure you, these kids and coaches are more upset about it than they are. There will not be a lack of motivation for next year that is for sure.

AggiesAreWe says he's seen enough of high school football in his lifetime to take any win for granted. AggiesAreWe says Shepherd is a very formidable opponent. AggiesAreWe asks, why are we talking in 3rd person?

Scott Rich is a good coach. I don't think he's the problem. In my opinion, there are a few key factors to consider when gauging Nederland's success this season. The obvious ones are the injuries, the youth and inexperience of this Bulldogs team, and the fallout from the coaching change. But the most significant, long term factor--and the most overlooked, in my opinion--is the difference in enrollment. PN-G is sitting just a hair over 1,700 students in total enrollment, which is squarely in the middle of the 5A enrollment spectrum and in the upper half of the 5A-DII classification. Nederland is sitting a hair over 1.400 students, which is less than a hundred students above the dividing line between 5A-DII and 4A-DI. To put that in perspective, when I was in school 15 years ago, PN-G and Nederland were both hovering around the 1,400 student enrollment mark. PN-GISD has soaked up all the growth in Mid-County while Nederland ISD's enrollment has been stagnant. We could debate why and it's probably a confluence of factors, not just any one, single reason. But whatever the cause, the simple fact is that Nederland's talent pool isn't as strong as its competition on average.

Ever. Some(one) would enjoy that.

According to the cal guy, probably 56-0 PN-G