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Big words coming from a powerhouse football program like bridge chity

Now we're going to discuss the differences between debating and arguing? Unbelievable.. By the way, I can assure you that I'm not taking anything personal. I'm not the one using exclamation points in my posts.. as if your emotion will make your point stronger. It won't. You should be happy.. I've long since become bored with this debate/argument (whatever you wanna call it). You think that a coach is only elite because of championships. I don't. You think an elite coach (according to your definition) can win anywhere and with anyone. I don't. Signing out of this circus.

I guess it is time to go the cheerleader route and just nominate every damn player in the area to keep everyone happy.

You use two different people’s opinions to show hypocrisy? Just for sake of the discussion, a death sentence is carried out on a person convicted of a heinous crime of taking another human life. A baby in the womb has committed the heinous crime of….. what?

No.. the debate is whether or not an "elite coach" can make a school like Tarkington (with zero relative success in their past) into an elite program. Then the debate turned into what makes a coach an elite coach. Your opinion, as stated multiple times, is that having won a state title or more makes you an elite coach. It is argued by me.. and everyone else in this thread.. that it takes much more than just being a good coach to win a state title. It is also argued that not Art Briles.. nor Scott Surrat.. nor Buchanan.. nor Tom Westerberg could go to Tarkington and win a state title in the relative future without a substantial influx of above average ability. I'd bet every dollar I have that they couldn't go there at the same time and win it all within 6 years with the kids Tarkington ISD has right now. Will they get tremendously better? No question.. Will they improve? Without a doubt? But I'll bet on Tarkington's football history over those coaches' histories every time. It makes no difference to me what your opinion is regarding that. If a person believes that ANY coach can go to ANY school with ANY level of talent and win a state championship then they're an idiot. If you fall into that category.. it is what it is. Now for the Westerberg comment. He won 3 consecutive state titles with the most prolific high school quarterback that the state of Texas has ever had, along with countless other very highly skilled football players, plus the best overall support staff that money could buy (at the high school level), plus arguably one of the biggest pools of players to choose from in the country, and finally the nicest high school facilities in the state of Texas (at that time). Someone commented above that there were around 50 D1 football players from Allen during his coaching tenure.. Know what? Maybe he should've won a state championship every year that he was there. And the fact that he didn't .. might mean that he's not as good a coach as you're arguing. If it was only about coaching.. then the same exact coach would have the same exact results every year. Every single year.

I wonder if every person that is pro abortion thanks their Mother every day that she wasn’t?!

If Lamar dropped to Div 2 I would never attend another event again.

Westerberg took over at Allen at the perfect time.....they were growing at an incredible rate and talent was arriving by the boatload as Allen became the largest school in the country...he's a very good coach and he had a very good staff with multiple head coaches on there.....but like I said very good coaches still cant win with mediocre talent (ie Barbers Hill)

With the school board looking to change the name again at the stadium, why not transfer the name at the stadium on campus at West Brook to the new stadium? Can't think of a more deserving man to have his name on that stadium.

Greatest coach to have ever lived.

Last year, only 12 out of 30 conferences had multiple teams from their conference made a baseball regional. Only 10 conferences had multiple teams in March madness for basketball. Football at Lamar level is majority one team conference playoffs. point is, there’s no conference nowadays that works financially for a school like Lamar. We are who we are, unless the powers that be spend money and change the image of Lamar. Kids aren’t knocking down the door to attend Lamar and live in Beaumont. Not happening. It would take a major overhaul of area, adding nice off campus housing, bars, restaurants, and other college activities to change kids minds. Just my opinion.

Go Bruins, let's keep the 409 in the playoffs.

Right... I'll even go so far as to say that most of the posters here are more intelligent than the average voter. Or at least more interested. At the end of the day the "great unwashed" are who must be won by either side to emerge as the winner. It makes no sense to set out to offend those votes that you HAVE to have by being a boor, or by championing unpopular ideas because they're "right" in our own way of evaluating the issues. The masses didn't love Trump... they disliked Hillary. The masses didn't love Biden... they HATED Trump. Nobody is going to be like "Oh, I learned my lesson! Give us those mean tweets!" They still rightfully can't stand the guy. Grabbing an unpopular, polarizing issue that is guaranteed to be a non-starter for half of the electorate as your hill to die on is just stupid. Want to win the general in 2024? Don't even MENTION the word abortion. Focus on getting our nation back on track. Promise to pardon Hunter Biden. Promise to focus on the fact that the average American is spending $350/month more for the basics than they were a year ago.... Not betting that a strong stand over trans athletes being banished from sport or corralling CRT as the basis for what you're trying to accomplish.

Every year you sit up in those stands in Bridge City know there is little to no chance of winning. Its like you waste a good Friday night stuffing you face in Nachos, luke warm Pepsi, and cold popcorn. You would be better off saving your $10 and just coming over to a Silsbee game. Silsbee, WOS, and Jasper have been the most consistent football 4A programs in the area. Bridge City im sure plays in 10 Homecoming games a year. You tried the triple option and it worked out once vs Silsbee 6 years ago. Outside of that, uses practices and pride boosting Friday night loses by 20.

He roasted who was on the schedule😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. See the thing about you and Bridge City is that you guys haven't done much in any sport in what 10-15 years. Its like you guys are just running around and exercising on the field can court. Getting in shape to lose by 50pts. I would have respect for your comment but outside of the young lady who won state in track whos dad is from Silsbee, BC has only been competitive in sleeping with each others siblings.

He was a good receiver though. Good BBall player too.

Here's what I could research for Allen on their 2012-2014 rosters during the 3-peat...as you can see a TON of talent Allen Class of 2013 [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] Allen Class of 2014 [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] Allen Class of 2015 [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] Allen Class of 2016 [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] Allen Class of 2017 [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content]

The thing about it is this... we're seeing the results of following extremist principles on the left right now. The wanton spending, "woke" narratives being forced on everybody, and general decline of our society. There are two things that can happen. 1. Equally repugnant extremists on the Right can say "Oh, Boy! Now EVERYBODY sees that extreme leftism isn't the answer... extreme right wing views are the answer" and run out a bunch of freaking wingnuts and destroy whatever momentum that is heading our way. 2. The common sense conservatives can make a stand on their own, dragging the party back to center right where we can actually win a persistent majority from the middle, even if the hardcore coolaid drinkers on the right don't think we're doing enough.

I think a few of the old WAC teams moved over to the Mountain West a long time ago.

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Absolutely. Savion Flagg never goes to Sam if they hadn’t moved to the WAC. Same could be said for several kids I can name but won’t. Got the same report from SFA about a couple of their transfers/signees. Right or wrong, many kids, especially Texas kids, aren’t interested in the Southland unless forced. (This is basketball only that I can speak to). To put it in relative terms, the Southland champ will almost always be a 16 seed. The WAC will be in the 12-13 range. That’s about right in difference of levels. And you get seen in many states, not just Texas and Louisiana.

What he's probably laughing at is the perception that Silsbee fans just seem to think that Silsbee kids are shafted in every single accolade in the history of sport. Always should've had more on this team or more for that team. They can't fill every award with solely Silsbee kids. Calm down.. the kid's a sophomore? He'll have his time. I swear you guys are like the HD fans of individual awards.

A quick note: My friend, no one is "arguing" here. We are having a debate pitting your opinions against my opinions as with the rest of us here. As I've said before, it's nothing personal.

You're actually proving my point... that because of fluctuating talent in every opponent (even one's own school), due to graduations, injuries, etc. can and will impact the results of a season. How many coaches out there could have had a state championship if not for losing kids for whatever reason and/or reclassification? Or visa versa. Tell the guy I'm arguing with that there are other factors at play.. other than who the coach is.

I heard two college students ask question. This was one I heard. The other was just as great. Maybe the young people are getting it!! [Hidden Content]

I believe it does. Players want exposure. And the better the conference makes a difference on where they want to go.

Honest question for those of us that haven't been involved in the recruiting process: does the conference a school is in matter to recruits at the lower levels of D-1 like the Southland and WAC?

Maybe Lamar should have stayed, at least for now. Like we have talked about before, you can’t gauge the bb team by how this year turned out. Just a freak year with Covid and injuries.

I wanna say UofH was on his list of schools. Maybe he ends up there with Douglas Brooks…. the kid from LBJ Latrell Mccuthin that went to OU was a beast at a young age i always found it hilarious he was talking trash to the other kids.

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There is talented players & quality baseball played in D2 & JUCO. Definantly have better head coaching.😎

I remember him from Friday night tykes.

That's apparently the mentality the people hiring the last AD & the AD had. The girls AD at PNG Coach Comeaux has a better resume & could do 10 times better then Borne, not sure wth they were thinking hiring that guy.

Supply chain is a national security issue. I consider the mass outsourcing promoted by both political parties to be treason.

SFA will not be going back…Per Ivey

I believe DeSantis applied for a grant to aid immigrants and is using these funds to aid in shipping them to Delaware.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is threatening to bus illegal migrants sent to his state by the Biden administration up to Delaware! [Hidden Content]

And your argument means nothing to the 50% of Americans who believe it's their God-given right to do whatever they want with their own body. Has the Supreme Court ever reversed a key decision like Roe v. Wade? I can't think of a single time, so there's that. The correct way to resolve this dilemma is with a Constitutional Amendment that would ban the practice. But neither side has the voting power to do so, so the new plan will be to create new laws at the state level that will be challenged every single time there's a switch in the balance of power on the Supreme Court? That's not how this is supposed to work. We've had 49 years to legislatively correct the decision in Roe v. Wade if we felt like the decision was wrong... but the pro lifers don't (and never have had) the votes to get it done. The Supreme Court has ruled... it is what it is. There's a way to fix it, and it's not by making a run at having the Supreme Court re-hear the same old issue. I'm certain that the same people who oppose abortion are also the same ones raising hell about passing out rubbers at school, too.

No silly…it’s acceptable now days to be racist towards white people. 🙄

I guess I hadn't really paid attention to the teams in the WAC these days. When the cards joined the WAC I looked at it as a major step up for Lamar, but it's really not much better than the sunbelt, if at all, considering the new teams the sunbelt has brought in.

I get so tired of seeing politicians whipping this dead horse just to get their supporters riled up. The people cheering this are too stupid too realize that it's no different than those whackos fighting for a woman's right to abort up until (and after, apparently) birth. Yeah, it gets your side whipped up, but it also energizes the other side to vote against you. It's a net nothing, except tying up tons of time and money to fight about a settled issue.

Upset the apple cart.

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UNC is the new ATL Falcons lol

surprised three or four accounts haven't come out of retirement to keep this thread going. I guess the original attempt to turn it in a certain direction didn't get enough of a response this time.

Musselman has got it going on there in Fayetteville. They're in that #1 spot for good reason.

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They aren’t successful because the Subpar AD keeps hiring his Subpar buddies who shouldn’t be head coaches as BU’s head coach. He does this because they don’t want a new proven head coach to come in and clean house and bring in a new coaching staff. Because the existing coaches all have ties to him or administration some how. Beaumont needs to clean house upstairs and bring in new administration and get the academics up to par first then forget the buddy buddy crap and bring in a proven coach that knows how to discipline and turn programs like this around. Bring back the desire in these kids to want to play football and enjoy playing football. Make them want to be as dominating as their basketball team. They have the talent there. They just need the right people to get it out of them.

Peevey, Toby and both Huffman coordinators in a Texas Tornado match!