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24 minutes ago, BigEnosBurdette said:
It’s your flawed “old school” thinking. But to each their own.
It's a flawed "old school" thinking to think that moving into a new district might influence how well/poorly a team might do? Or that graduating impact players might influence it as well?
Or it's a flawed, "old school" way of thinking to believe that those are two completely separate factors? I don't guess I understand what you meant by that.
Educate me, young man. Since my mind is too old school to understand.
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13 hours ago, BigEnosBurdette said:
You are 1million% correct… playing schools like WB, North Shore, TJ, Baytowns (when they were good), LaPorte has ZERO to do a schools/HC’s record. It’s all about the senior class. 😂🤣
I'm not sure what it is about posters on this site not being able to read posts in their entirety. Graduation of impact players..... Reclassification..... those are two DIFFERENT factors that CAN significantly change a school's success from one year to another. When BOTH happen together, it can be especially detrimental.
Now.. I can't explain simpler than that. If you still don't understand, then I don't know...
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1 hour ago, BigEnosBurdette said:
and don't leave out the fact that Vidor was in 22-5A in '94 & '95... playing against teams like North Shore, WB, etc.
And does it matter if you win by 1 or 100??? NOPE a win is a win!
Either way your point is about as sharp as a spoon.
By saying that they were in a different classification... but with the same head coach... for justification as two bad years... you're actually helping solidify my point. That a lot can change in a year. Believe it or not, a decent senior class can have just as much impact on the next year's success or lack thereof as a classification change. If you don't understand the point, then perhaps your intellect is about as sharp as a spoon.
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59 minutes ago, BigEnosBurdette said:
20-4A in '96 & '97 football seasons. Same schedule and of course we lost seniors lol ....
After the '96 football season Vidors HC Pat Murphy left for another coaching job in Monroe, LA (where he is from). After he left the incoming senior class wanted OC Paul Bourgeois to take over as HC (spoke a school board at a meeting about wanting Coach Bourgeois) but the school board decided to bring in Kevin Johnson from Lumberton (HORRIBLE Mistake). Johnson brought in his delinquent coaches and only kept a few from the previous regime. All the coaches that left or let go went on to have really good success.
I love the internet.. I love how you left out the fact that Murphy went 2-8 in 94. and then 0-10 in 95. Whoops. Or that during the 96 season, 3 of those 5 wins were by a margin of a touchdown or less. That matters.. especially if you have some key upperclassmen but may the other team doesn't.
Either way.. my point remains. It's literally a different team every year (potentially) depending on which or how many impact players graduate.
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1 hour ago, BigEnosBurdette said:
'96 Vidor ran the option. HC was Pat Murphy and the OC was Paul Bourgeois (went 5-5). '97 Vidor ran whatever Johnson brought with him from Lumberton and the OC was Benny Ellison (went 2-8).
Was there a classification change? Was there a schedule change? 97 is an odd year.. so probably. Maybe. Surely there were seniors that graduated.. were there any impactful ones that they lost?
A lot of things change year to year other than a new coach and new philosophy. It's never mentioned how many things need to go right..
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Imagine thinking you can predict the success of a high school football team based on the previous 5 years. Literally 5 groups of seniors gone and 2 and a half potential classification changes. Not to mention move ins, possible injuries, coaching changes, etc..
This is hilarious. I'm patiently waiting for the conversation to turn to who has a better personality based on astrological sign.
This has, "we're gonna be good because we won a state title in the 80s" vibes all over it.
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What about quadruplets? Asking for another poster...
#4horsemen
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On 3/14/2023 at 2:22 PM, Reagan said:
What's your take on this hire? Seems to me that you're implying that it's the kind of hire people should seek. Right?
This season will be telling for sure.. MV lost a D1 prospect of a QB to injury before this season ended.. and is losing probably the best RB in the state for that classification. Both of whom were huge parts of their offensive prowess.. even the RB solo after the QB went down. I have a friend from that area that thinks MV may struggle for the next little while. Unless your philosophy on coaches holds true to form.. or if he brings some talent with him. We'll see. I never count out schools that are traditionally good or are in an area conducive to move ins.
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55 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:
Sarcasm understood, Mine was continuing the sarcasm. Agree with you 100%. The Slot T clearly works as do most systems when run and executed correctly.
It's hilarious to me. The Orangefield Coach/Team was emphatically congratulated on the season they had... while running the Slot-T. Coincidentally, the predicted front runner and spread team of the district (Anahuac).. had their season ended by eventual state champ and another Slot-T team (Franklin).
It's almost as if people don't realize the irony.
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16 hours ago, 89Falcon said:
Never thought of Vidor as "having speed". I wonder if the logic is that "speed is a hinderance to the Slot T"? Or, "we are too fast to properly run the Slot T"?
I was being facetious. Coincidentally.. I like the Slot-T. I also like the spread.. and I like most offensive schemes when ran successfully. None of them are designed to fail. No coach says, "We're going to run this offense.. and hope for a few yards or even getting back to the line of scrimmage. And if not, we'll just punt and try again next drive." They're all designed to lead into substantial gains.. Having said that, the slot-t isn't good for playing catchup. So when you need quick scores or to make up ground, it's not good. But, the slot-t wins state titles every year. Hard to say it isn't effective. I like to think coaches do what they feel puts the team in the best situation to win games based on either their personnel or knowledge.
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On 3/7/2023 at 1:15 PM, 89Falcon said:
Just curious why you think Vidor cant win with the Slot T?
"We need to spread it out because we have speed." - SeTx
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15 hours ago, Bigdog said:
?? with a 58% win percentage??
It was a joke.. you know how they like to throw around the past. I just figured somebody might say something about historical something in bobcat land (still might).
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20 minutes ago, Mr. Thornton Melon said:
It is a buddy system hire but he will do better than Mathews. He was the one responsible for Mathews most successful seasons. Mathews would never recommend a great coach because it would give the fans something to compare his career to. Control Freak !!
I wish VISD would have explored the best possible candidates and that they would lose the mindset that Vidor can't run anything else but the Slot-T. It only had a 50% winning percentage there but it's a culture thing
Who from that list of applicants posted ^ would you have hired? Just curious. Remember... if a person didn't apply, they probably don't want the job.
So who is your pick from the list of applicants?
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Hull Daisetta fans enter the conversation in .. 3. .. 2 .. 1 ..
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Personally... I think that the state championship games should be at the best venue. That's Cowboy's stadium... sorry.
Disclaimer: I perfectly understand the argument to rotate stadiums. If my opinion mattered, though, I would suggest just rotating between Houston and DFW. I like the idea of every classification cycle as well. Every two year.
(that way Aledo and Carthage can have their kids win twice at NRG as well) lol
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22 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:
After 51 straight years of attending the boys basketball state tournament, my streak will end this season as I will not be attending this year. My goal since I started going was to attend as many as my dad did who started taking me when I was 8 years old in 1972. My dad ended up attending 50 straight, his last time going in 2007. I made 51 straight last season.
My priorities have changed over the years and my interest has waned some the last couple of years. Got grand sons to run around with now (T-ball, soccer, etc.) along with hanging out at the beach. With the wife and I retired now, just got other things I want to do. Actually I'll be hitting the new Horseshoe casino next week.
I enjoyed each and every trip to the state tourney. Great memories with my dad and got to see some great basketball. I have been truly blessed.
I may attend another state tourney (particularly if Silsbee goes) but the streak had to end sometime. Will miss hanging out with coaches, officials, media and fans that attended on a regular basis.
Good luck To Beaumont United next week. Bring home that 3rd state championship.
That's pretty cool.
- AggiesAreWe and rupert3
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1 minute ago, bullets13 said:
no. at least 4 kids were hospitalized, and two ended up at Texas Children's. Several others were unable to work out or play in their sporting events for over a week. Several folks on here tried to make it out to be overexaggerated, or to downplay the seriousness of the situation.
I meant didn't law enforcement come in and discover that there was nothing to be charged for? The coach didn't get arrested, did he? I would think that if a coach did something to hospitalize some kids then there would be something. Even if under the guise of "working out". Right?
I'm truly asking..
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10 minutes ago, bullets13 said:
Adds up to me. Some of these coaches aren't the brightest. They want to punish their kids into submission. We were overworked when I played as a punishment, but never to the point where our muscles broke down. This exact same thing happened at HF several years ago, and there were plenty of folks jumping in to defend the coach and blame the kids for being soft, even after the HF coaches put 4 or 5 students in the hospital, and many other students had to miss sporting events that week because they were unable to walk/run properly. Also, the way I read it is that they kept a tally of how many mistakes were made, then added it up at the end. But either way, are you suggesting that all these students who ended up in the hospital were "faking" it?
Of course not.. I'm just suggesting that there may be more to this. And no, I don't believe that a 15 year old kid can do 368 pushups and an athletic workout in an hour.
I remember that HF story.. didn't that turn out to be overexaggerated?
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20 hours ago, Elessar said:
My 2 cents:
My biggest and really only complaint to this list is the same one I have sinse the "watered down pansies" took over. There should only be 5 on 1st team and 5 on 2nd team. That's literally what it means. If a "1st Team" was selected by the coaches to go play another district, there'd be 5. This is basketball. 1st teamers are "starters" and 2nd teamers are "backups". If it was really done like intended (like college and NBA) then the superlatives would come off of said teams. But whatever.
Strange, but I have no problem with the Kountze kid getting MVP. The coaches voted for it... and the kid can definitely play. It's odd that the district champ didn't have one of the top 3 supers (mvp, off-mvp, def-mvp). But they did get COY. I'm just glad there aren't any Co anything.. I can't stand that.
Also, Newcomer is always weird. You guys are putting too much into that.. it's literally a person that wasn't varsity last year. I doubt there were very many options.
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12 minutes ago, Bobcat1 said:
16 per mistake - they made 23 mistakes = 368 pushups on top of the conditioning that were doing during the regular workout period.
I read it. I just mean it doesn't quite add up.. 368 pushups over the course of 60 minute athletic period along with doing an athletic workout. You know there was a few minutes to get dressed.. and another few to get dressed to leave (or whatever). I just mean the math isn't mathing. I'm sure there was muscle failure from fatigue at some point which means that the pushups were either hideous in form or not done. I read that marines typically have to do 200 perfect pushups in a DAY. You're telling me these high school kid had to do over 350 in an hour? Plus an athletic workout that was long enough for 23 mistakes to have been made? Just not adding up to me.
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11 minutes ago, Bobcat1 said:
I don't understand your question.
Is the article saying that an excessive number of push ups is possibly the cause of what they were diagnosed with? That doesn't seem like a big thing to me. 16 pushups for a made mistake... I don't know. Maybe I'm missing something.
DuBois named Vidor new AD/Head Football Coach
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Seriously? Have you not been on this forum long? I understand the game.. but this is the mecca of: number of unathletic kids per unrealistic parents, facilities were good enough for grandpa so they're good enough for me, can't work out during summers because (insert excuse), can't pay for experienced coaches but expect experienced coaches, then fire the coach because they didn't win a title by week 4.
You're really surprised? Welcome to the show.
By the way.. the players WILL likely get behind him. It's the experts that won't, if anyone.