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23 minutes ago, BigEnosBurdette said:
Mr. Oblivious... it was a sarcastic post 💆♂️
This forum is literally turning into Facebook. My post was in response to anyone that might think experience takes precedence. By the way.. it's not always smart to assume posts are sarcastic. Especially on here. And also considering that no response was given to a post before mine responding to the same statement in a similar, but shorter manner.
"Welcome to setxsports.com . Go ahead and post on our public forum.. someone that takes issue with it will be in touch shortly."
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3 hours ago, BigEnosBurdette said:
Trahan has been a football coach at Vidor for awhile... I mean should there never be a first time offensive or defensive coordinator? Should a HC always have head coaching experience????
You would literally run out of head coaches as they retire if they had to have experience as a HC. If some kind of stipulation per school district.. some schools would have to be willing to accept a HC with an extremely poor history of success due to small applicant pools. What if the only applicant with HC experience is 4-46? That's better than an applicant with coordinator experience on a state championship team?
Every coordinator.. every head coach.. every coach.. was a 1st timer once upon a time. Sometimes you gotta take a chance on it turning out ok.
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1 hour ago, PrairieMan said:
If he decides to answer, please let me in on what it is. Sounds like some people were questioning him around here even though he was making great progress in such a short time with alot of other kids. If he's really concerned about the loud minority's opinion then he's going to hate Hardin. Because at least here he had enough talent to beat bad teams. There he doesn't have enough talent to beat anybody! He's done some really good things out here in a year's time frame. and will be missed by the majority.
I'm sure there are more reasons than many think. There usually is.
When coaches leave on their own.. and it's not a huge pay raise... it's sometimes multiple reasons.
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1 hour ago, PrairieMan said:
What is with this school? How bad does it have to be up there that you take a pay cut to go to one of the worst athletic schools in the area? I thought he would be the first one to stay until he retired which would have given this school some stability for a change.
I heard a story recently.. and, if true.. the school needs much more than stability.
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51 minutes ago, BigEnosBurdette said:
Did not say there are posters on here who have and have not been to games. Did not say my opinion is more valid or not, but when people start spouting off about things, they do not know about... facilities, equipment, new HC, etc.... then yeah, I'll voice my opinion which is more factual than an opinion.
And those facts being that Vidor has new weights, weight racks, equipment, makeshift indoor practice area, a new football playing surface, new-ish gymnasium and.... a new HC that NO ONE has seen be the HC at Vidor before. Those posters that are forming an opinion, being disgruntle about a HC before he even steps on the field... they can go back to ripping heaters on the sidelines and being the little league coaching guru you were born to be.
And for the others.... get out and watch a season or 2 then form your OWN conclusion.
Again.. I didn't say a single thing about Vidor's facilities specifically. Not even at all. Someone mentioned that they couldn't believe how little support the new hire was seemingly getting before even starting. I eluded to the fact that this area is known for that.. along with some other things that the area is known for. Shotty facilities is one of those things. Maybe you don't agree because your specific school has updated facilities. That doesn't make it untrue. Which is also more factual than it is opinion.
I agree that people should go to a game to form their own conclusion.. and many actually do that. And still offer little support. Nobody is a bigger defender of coaches on this site than me. I'm even often ridiculed for saying that it's perhaps the fault of talent level as opposed to the coaching situation. But I digress.
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53 minutes ago, BigEnosBurdette said:
I'm more of a see for myself then base a conclusion kind of a guy... and that conclusion will not be based off a game or 2 or 1 season. There's nothing but air and opportunity for people to get out and watch games and then form a conclusion.
Thats kind of what's wrong with the world today. Too many outlets for people to vent, gossip, etc. and people take those rumors, complaints, statements as the gospel.
So there are zero comments from this thread from people who have watched games and formed their own conclusion who are questioning this hire?.. Or not being supportive?
I'm genuinely curious.
If there are or have been posters on this site that have gone to games or are in the know, what makes your opinions more valid than theirs?
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3 hours ago, BigEnosBurdette said:
"I believe I can successfully add Vidor to my list of schools that don't support their head football coach because (insert excuse)."
Good job basing your conclusion off the post of a few disgruntle fans. More than likely those disgruntle fans are little league coach heros, who scream at their TVs on Saturdays and Sundays during football season.
It’s the nature of the beast. All it ever takes is a few “know it alls” to make an entire fan base seem unsupportive. Surely you’ve seen other examples on this site. Which.. coincidentally.. seems to be the place for people to vent their concerns. Look at what page this thread is on.. go back to page 1 and compare the comments offering support to the ones questioning the hire.
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4 minutes ago, BigEnosBurdette said:
How many residents of Vidor has you talked to about the new HC... How many of those actually go to games/follow Vidor football...or are you going by the handful of posters on this site?
Facilities have been up to date. This is not something new (except for the turf football field).
"Amazing that here on this Forum there’s so few giving DuBois a chance"
Literally the exact quote I replied to ^^ ( HERE ON THIS FORUM ) When I replied about the sort of support usually displayed... on this site. I know reading for comprehension can be difficult.. just hang in there. I'm happy to help.
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39 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:
Vidor has a nice weight room and an excellent strength and conditioning program. Oldschool2 is just regurgitating things he picked up on the playground, I suppose. Trying to sound cool, but nothing specific to address = silly post.
Oldshool2 is giving examples similar to what's seen time and time again on this forum. Coincidentally, based on the comments leading up to my other post.. I believe I can successfully add Vidor to my list of schools that don't support their head football coach because (insert excuse). Great job on the updated facilities, though. That's a start.
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3 hours ago, BigEnosBurdette said:
When was the last time you stepped foot in the weight room at Vidor? When was the last time you stepped foot on the new playing surface? When was the last time you stepped foot on the gym floor?
Vidors weight room has new weights and weigh racks. Vidor is also able to use the weight room to practice indoors when weather is not cooperating thanks to the turf in the weight room.
Did I say that entire post applied to Vidor specifically? I replied with that post describing the area as a whole.. I've personally seen posters make those exact arguments over the years on this very site.
Anyways.. my post was also in response to someone that "couldn't believe that people are already seemingly not getting behind the new coach"... which is widely represented in the examples I've seen from this AREA. Only a moron would assume I'm talking about every individual school in the area. There are obviously exceptions. Always.
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17 hours ago, KF89 said:
Not judging, I am sure he has some quality QB skills, but to use D1 QB based on freshmen season at Anahuac there will be some questions to that. Falling into a 5A program like Ned in a tough district will show if he's the real deal for sure. Trust me, Nederland needs about a dozen good surprises next few years.
I remember reading/hearing that the kid led Hardin's 8th grade to a district championship in just about every sport. The same group being terrible... at best... before and after him.. Again, 2nd hand information. But if true, winning district for Hardin boys on any level can't be a small feat. I'm sure that's uncommon.
5A is definitely a different animal, though.
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5 minutes ago, bullets13 said:
I think some fan bases typically are worse than others, but every school has at least 1 or 2, and it only takes 1 or 2. When there's more than that it's a nightmare.
I can only imagine. But some are worse than others for sure.
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15 minutes ago, bullets13 said:
parents are part of the job, and bad ones can be as unappealing as bad players.
Not possible that I could deal with being undermined by people in the stands for every decision/outcome that was made. I understand that it's part of the business, but that's why I don't do it. And probably part of the reason the profession is hurting so badly for people. Everyone that's ever watched a professional game or coached a little league team thinks they would win the title if they were calling the shots.
What a joke.
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On 4/21/2023 at 9:47 AM, Bobcat1 said:
Didn't Orangefield lose a lot of seniors?
They will likely move to 4A next alignment not sure if that matters to the coaches applying, but it seems it would very hard to compete in the 4A district they'd be in.
Both of those matter immensely. Plus.. take into account that the coaching pool gets smaller every year. OF better not be too picky.
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6 minutes ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:
I agree, they probably had their guy in waiting from the staff already. From the statement that I read from Coach Koetting that the ISD put out it feels like this was coming and it wasn't some kind of surprise.
Not uncommon for good programs to hire within.
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1 hour ago, Hagar said:
Amazing that here on this Forum there’s so few giving DuBois a chance. Just what the Vidor program doesn’t need, having their heads filled with doubts over the new Coach. Hope the players get behind him 110% and prove all the naysayers wrong.
Go Pirates!
☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️Seriously? Have you not been on this forum long? I understand the game.. but this is the mecca of: number of unathletic kids per unrealistic parents, facilities were good enough for grandpa so they're good enough for me, can't work out during summers because (insert excuse), can't pay for experienced coaches but expect experienced coaches, then fire the coach because they didn't win a title by week 4.
You're really surprised? Welcome to the show.
By the way.. the players WILL likely get behind him. It's the experts that won't, if anyone.
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24 minutes ago, BigEnosBurdette said:
It’s your flawed “old school” thinking. But to each their own.
It's a flawed "old school" thinking to think that moving into a new district might influence how well/poorly a team might do? Or that graduating impact players might influence it as well?
Or it's a flawed, "old school" way of thinking to believe that those are two completely separate factors? I don't guess I understand what you meant by that.
Educate me, young man. Since my mind is too old school to understand.
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13 hours ago, BigEnosBurdette said:
You are 1million% correct… playing schools like WB, North Shore, TJ, Baytowns (when they were good), LaPorte has ZERO to do a schools/HC’s record. It’s all about the senior class. 😂🤣
I'm not sure what it is about posters on this site not being able to read posts in their entirety. Graduation of impact players..... Reclassification..... those are two DIFFERENT factors that CAN significantly change a school's success from one year to another. When BOTH happen together, it can be especially detrimental.
Now.. I can't explain simpler than that. If you still don't understand, then I don't know...
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1 hour ago, BigEnosBurdette said:
and don't leave out the fact that Vidor was in 22-5A in '94 & '95... playing against teams like North Shore, WB, etc.
And does it matter if you win by 1 or 100??? NOPE a win is a win!
Either way your point is about as sharp as a spoon.
By saying that they were in a different classification... but with the same head coach... for justification as two bad years... you're actually helping solidify my point. That a lot can change in a year. Believe it or not, a decent senior class can have just as much impact on the next year's success or lack thereof as a classification change. If you don't understand the point, then perhaps your intellect is about as sharp as a spoon.
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59 minutes ago, BigEnosBurdette said:
20-4A in '96 & '97 football seasons. Same schedule and of course we lost seniors lol ....
After the '96 football season Vidors HC Pat Murphy left for another coaching job in Monroe, LA (where he is from). After he left the incoming senior class wanted OC Paul Bourgeois to take over as HC (spoke a school board at a meeting about wanting Coach Bourgeois) but the school board decided to bring in Kevin Johnson from Lumberton (HORRIBLE Mistake). Johnson brought in his delinquent coaches and only kept a few from the previous regime. All the coaches that left or let go went on to have really good success.
I love the internet.. I love how you left out the fact that Murphy went 2-8 in 94. and then 0-10 in 95. Whoops. Or that during the 96 season, 3 of those 5 wins were by a margin of a touchdown or less. That matters.. especially if you have some key upperclassmen but may the other team doesn't.
Either way.. my point remains. It's literally a different team every year (potentially) depending on which or how many impact players graduate.
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1 hour ago, BigEnosBurdette said:
'96 Vidor ran the option. HC was Pat Murphy and the OC was Paul Bourgeois (went 5-5). '97 Vidor ran whatever Johnson brought with him from Lumberton and the OC was Benny Ellison (went 2-8).
Was there a classification change? Was there a schedule change? 97 is an odd year.. so probably. Maybe. Surely there were seniors that graduated.. were there any impactful ones that they lost?
A lot of things change year to year other than a new coach and new philosophy. It's never mentioned how many things need to go right..
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Imagine thinking you can predict the success of a high school football team based on the previous 5 years. Literally 5 groups of seniors gone and 2 and a half potential classification changes. Not to mention move ins, possible injuries, coaching changes, etc..
This is hilarious. I'm patiently waiting for the conversation to turn to who has a better personality based on astrological sign.
This has, "we're gonna be good because we won a state title in the 80s" vibes all over it.
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West Orange-Stark 2023
in High School Football
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But 4 seeds still beat 1 seeds in football. Every year.
I'm not a fan of that many going either, but when a 4 beats a 1 it's justified. Even if very few times. It truly shows that some districts are just weaker/stronger than others. In all actuality, 3 beating 2 shouldn't technically happen either but it's extremely common.