oldschool2

On 1/23/2024 at 2:17 PM, Guitar Man said:

Not to be a negative Nancy, but having some good groups come through in JH usually doesn't translate to HS success. Back when I was in JH school, we destroyed everyone, went undefeated and were "district champs". Senior year in HS we went 5-5 and our coach got canned at the end of the year. 🤷‍♂️

The list of things that can change between JH and HS is vast.  It's more likely than not that JH success won't be the same in HS.  1st and foremost.. 7th grade kids playing against everyone else's 7th grade kids and 8th grade kids playing against everyone else's 8th grade kids is not evenly remotely the same as 9-12th against 9-12th.  A grade level of kids playing with either the grade above them or below them.. or both can dramatically change the success/failure compared to when it was just them.  Not only do kids mature, gain strength, gain speed, gain size, and gain skill (both physically and mentally) at completely different levels and pace individually, but kids actually WORK and/or gain/lose interest completely different.  Forget about the other obvious variables.. like: academic eligibility, transferring (both losing and gaining kids), quitting, reclassification, coaching change, etc. etc. etc.

The situation for a Senior IS NOT THE SAME as that same kid's situation was when they were a 7th grader.  To think so is idiotic.  

It's truly funny to me to hear people make predictions based on what happened in JH... might as well add little league as a predictor lol.

5 hours ago, Ty Cobb said:

You are correct on the years but Coach Smalley was the head coach.  Coach Huckaby's last year was the 2011 football season.

According to Maxpreps.. OF beat EC, Woodville, and Jasper in 2011.  And played Silsbee within 4.

I'm pretty sure Huckaby was a Slot-T guy if I remember correctly.

41 minutes ago, navydawg31 said:

The “Best that SeTx” had to offer was PNG and they won a state championship… 

I put it in parenthesis for a reason.  Every week leading up to that week.. Silsbee was supposedly too good to be knocked off by BV.  

On 1/13/2024 at 10:05 AM, navydawg31 said:

what school that runs the slot t won a ship this year? 

My mistake.. Franklin (Slot-T team) made the finals this year.. after winning two consecutive.  And Bellville (Slot-T team) made the state finals.. after running through the "best" that SeTx had to offer.

My mistake.  They only made the finals running the Slot-T.  That's terrible.

5 hours ago, Mr. Thornton Melon said:

Some coaches know how to coach, others run the Slot-T

So the coaches who run Slot-T that won state championships this year and the years before don’t know how to coach? Interesting take.. 

18 hours ago, 89Falcon said:

Understood. What do you do in the Fall with a kid who claims he is going to be on a team in the Spring that he has not made? Keep him in athletics till February and when he doesnt make the team or doesnt show up, just keep him? Because it is too late to do a schedule change. He effectively consumed resources that could have been utilized on a player who is actually playing and wants to play. 

That can be a tricky situation to say the least.  I would imagine that it happens more often than people think.. especially in bigger schools.  I would say that if one kid plans on being "baseball only" then during the fall we need to make sure that kid is as prepared (strength and speed) wise as possible for when baseball does roll around.  Any kid willing to go through an intense offseason regime for one sport wouldn't be that much of a detriment to the program.  The ones that will be "in the way" or taking reps from others.. will likely show themselves out rather than go through an intense training.

In small schools.. you don't see it as often because there are probably more multisport athletes.  I've seen AD's in the past pretty much make it mandatory (in small schools) that if you're going to be in athletics, then you're going to do SOMETHING athletics related in the fall as well as SOMETHING in the spring. Reason being the number of available coaches.  People often forget than for every group of individual athletes has to be a coach available to at least monitor them.  During football/volleyball season.. most small school coaches are involved with the big fall sport.  Can't have a bunch of different "offseason" groups.  And when I say anything.. Anything from one of the sports to even manager, help with practice, help at home games, concessions, something..  I personally like the idea.  

10 minutes ago, myrecordwashorrible said:

Fully understand your position and actually agree. My gripe is not allowing students in the athletic period because the student doesn't play football and/or basketball.  

Discipline problems, grade problems, quitting in the past, etc....heck no...you aren't in the program young man. 

Students should be in the athletic period for any team sport for sure.. including baseball/softball.  I could see the argument for not letting kids in that play individual type, after school sports (golf, tennis, etc.) even though I don't necessarily agree with it.  I think all athletes should be lifting/running/training for their sport outside of its season.  And even sometimes during season.. depending on what the coach of that sport deems best.

20 hours ago, myrecordwashorrible said:

As a former coach, I actually do that very thing.  Again, we will disagree about the elimination of kids from athletic class periods. 

Allowing all kids into athletics just because they want to or sign up for it is a huge mistake.  There are numerous reasons for removing kids from an athletics class.  Including but not limited to: A senior finished with sports, a student/athlete that doesn't play anything, behavior reasons, academic reasons, and probably many more.  

Make it public which schools just allow any kid into athletics that want to be.. because I'm sure there are other coaches that would like to schedule them. 

3 hours ago, Right99JOH said:

@Reagan for the new AD/HC!

In 7 years or less they'd be ordering rings.

3 minutes ago, Razor said:

oldschool, your talking crazy!  elite coaches win no matter what, right?😄

Depends on who you’re asking I guess.

Several “elite” coaches on that list have had seasons AFTER reaching his elite status where they not only didn’t win it all, but didn’t get close.

If it was only about coaching then that wouldn’t be the case. Coaches don’t get worse over time.. they have different players.

2 minutes ago, BMT Truth said:

If he won't come and draw up some simple ball or recognize some ball when I draw it on the white board, he should be banned from ever talking about football publicly ever again 🤣

I can't even get him to explain to me why Bill Belichick is sub .500 without Tom Brady.. or hasn't won a playoff game since Brady left NE.

Or why some is his elite coaches (by his definition) didn't win another state title after reaching elite status (according to his definition).

So.. again.  You're wasting your time.  Might as well just let him believe that any coach could go to any team and win it all eventually.  Wait.. I think 7 years is his timeframe. 

36 minutes ago, BMT Truth said:

When I make those statements, they're about you bro... and the others who clearly do not. They're not about the people who actually understand it takes more than just a good coach to win. Culture & talent are the 2 most important factors. Coaches can develop culture, but it takes a village. Don't forget - high school football coaches are TEACHERS first. They are the ones spending every day with TEENAGERS and trying to get the best out of them. If you've never spent time as a TEACHER and a COACH, then you will NEVER really and fully understand the many nuances and dynamics of high school athletics. 

You're wasting your time trying to convince him of this.  I've tried time and time again.

On 12/17/2023 at 7:24 AM, BADSANTA said:

#16 vs #3 is a big jump. 

That would be true if rankings were an accurate measuring stick to how teams can/will actually do.  But it never matters as much as most think.

I'm not suggesting that this will turn out better/worse despite/because of said rankings for either team.. just that rankings matter very little at times.  Rankings of teenage kids matter even less. 

2 hours ago, Old Ape said:

one coach is 65-52 and the other is 23-38

55% and 38% sounds like a potential improvement over in BC.

It’s airing on NDN Press YouTube channel 

1 hour ago, BBfan061 said:

I’m curious what the offensive game plan for Jasper will be

Score more points than the other team.

That's usually the offensive game plan.

12 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

Relax...relax. I know it's not a real issue. I never said you said it was. I'm wondering if it's even a potential issue...

It's speculation at best right now.  I just think it'd be hilarious if several of the schools opted up.  Not just Liberty/HJ.

10 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

What about the Districts? Some schools are 100+ miles away from every school that would be in the District. Playoffs are a small part 

It's obviously allowed because districts have been and are doing it.  This is what I'd call a legitimate reason.  "Extreme" distances could have an impact on stretched budgets or class time for students.. I would think that UIL could come up with a list of qualifying situations for playing in a different district than UIL assigned.  What would be the reason for Liberty or HJ to opt up?  They're certainly not "100+ miles away from every school that would be in the District".. so what's the reason?  And then, hypothetically, should a school or more from the previous district decide to opt up to avoid a 5 team district.. is that not as good of a reason?  See what I'm saying?  A fraction of the public school in Texas that live in the middle of nowhere are saving money and school time, but it's applying statewide.  I don't agree.

Not that it matters.. the UIL has never done several opinions of mine so why would they start now?  They wouldn't.

24 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

That's silly. Is this even a real issue? Have there been major conflicts and complaints in the state?

Note to self: If you want to blow something up that no one even cares about, start a thread and get some traction.

I didn't say it was a real issue.. I implied that it's potentially an issue.  Then I gave an opinion of which I'm allowed.  You don't have to like or agree with it.

6 hours ago, setxathlete14 said:

Needs to be investigated and signed off on for the right reasons really.

Who decides the “right reasons”? Like I said.. just NO across the board.  If you think your school district can’t cover travel expenses, just forfeit your playoff spot and schedule schools within a whatever mile radius.

48 minutes ago, JaspD55 said:

What happens here, if Silsbee, or maybe Jasper and WOS, say heck with trying to schedule out of a 5 team district, and they all opt up? That would be kinda interesting?

This is why I say that none of them should be allowed to do it.  It opens up the potential for all kinds of crazy stuff.

22 hours ago, Separation Scientist said:

I don't have a 4A dog in this hunt, but I do not support banning opt ups at all. Think statewide, what if El Paso had five 6A teams, and one more 5A team. It would make a ton of common sense to opt up that one 5A to fill out their district. There could be / would be collateral damage with a statewide opt up ban.  

Maybe Stepp just posted that to start up talk and get clicks. I dunno. 

 

What if El Paso five 6A schools, and one more 3A team.

I’m not a huge fan of any school opting up. I personally believe that whatever UIL determines is the cutoff, your enrollment places you. I do understand wanting to for financial reasons.. but.. wouldn’t that also be true about just being in district with the 6 closest schools? If travel is truly the issue, just go independent and stay in a 30 mile radius.

Disclaimer: I wholeheartedly disagree with several things UIL does.

4 hours ago, Reagan said:

Any thoughts on what percentage a 4th seed has beaten a 1st seed?

I’m sure it’s relatively low.. what difference does it make how often it happens?