How Do You Define an Elite Coach?

[WOSdrummer99]

1 hour ago, Reagan said:

Thanks for breaking this down.  It's actually worst than I thought.  I say at any one time, there's less than 10% Elite coaches.  Didn't realize how much less.  With my category of Elite coaches, there is right now only 1.5% active coaches that are Elite.  When you add those with only one Title that comes up to 3.6%.  Like I've said, if it was easy then every coach would have about 10.  If it's talent only then this percentage should be dramatically increased.  One would think anyway!  Contrary to what some here think, a coach has to have the "it" factor to eventually become Elite!

6 coaches on the list took more than 7 years. And I believe 9 of the 1x Champs have the potential to meet your Elite requirement of winning a 2nd within the 7 year time frame. Including 3 from this past season... A Metzel (Gilmer), R Jones (Aledo), J Joseph (PNG)

[H-STING]

I would have to say…

1976 Coach Morris Buttermaker

someone like this could definitely turn Hemphills season around next year.

[ozens fastest@1906]

After the first 2 and 1/2 pages I thought this would end up a waste of a thread and also my time reading. However I'm glad I read through the entire thread and all post before clicking off.  As a coach for the past 20 years both in SETX and now in the Greater Houston Area and being very familiar with the WOS Tradition/ Culture and also the last good playoff runs in Ozen's short history, I feel as though I have earned the right to reply to some of the comments in regards to Elite Coaching and also Talent / Culture and how the state of football in SETX has changed in the past few years. 

1) IZZY you know I love ya like a son but the (50) 5-2 defense isn't trash, IT worked for years for the Mustangs because CT "Mastered" it along with his staff who many forget never really changed for years. So when you have coaches who have mastered a specific scheme and when I use the term mastered I mean they know how to make all of the adjustments in the scheme for what ever offenses will try to show em. What worked for the past coaching staff will not work for the present staff because its not them, simple as that!! You can't replace almost 30 years of CULTURE and as a community expect the same results. 

2) Talent plays just as much a part as Coaching "ELITE" or NOT.. An ELITE Coach I wont say any names but I will say this, he hired ME and gave me my first HS Coaching Job.. "You Cant Win The Kentucky Derby With A Mule" to break it down for you, You Cant Win A UIL STATE Championship Without Talent. 

3) Talent can make an average Coach look alot better but who cares, that average coach still has to put that TALENT into position to win, and also manage all of the talent on and off the field, and most importantly LEAD all that TALENT. 

4) What it all comes down to is allowing Coaches to set the culture for their programs, communities providing support financially and proudly supporting that team all year long. Championships aren't won in the FALL, they are won in the offseason and summer conditioning.  

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

2 minutes ago, ozens fastest@1906 said:

After the first 2 and 1/2 pages I thought this would end up a waste of a thread and also my time reading. However I'm glad I read through the entire thread and all post before clicking off.  As a coach for the past 20 years both in SETX and now in the Greater Houston Area and being very familiar with the WOS Tradition/ Culture and also the last good playoff runs in Ozen's short history, I feel as though I have earned the right to reply to some of the comments in regards to Elite Coaching and also Talent / Culture and how the state of football in SETX has changed in the past few years. 

1) IZZY you know I love ya like a son but the (50) 5-2 defense isn't trash, IT worked for years for the Mustangs because CT "Mastered" it along with his staff who many forget never really changed for years. So when you have coaches who have mastered a specific scheme and when I use the term mastered I mean they know how to make all of the adjustments in the scheme for what ever offenses will try to show em. What worked for the past coaching staff will not work for the present staff because its not them, simple as that!! You can't replace almost 30 years of CULTURE and as a community expect the same results. 

2) Talent plays just as much a part as Coaching "ELITE" or NOT.. An ELITE Coach I wont say any names but I will say this, he hired ME and gave me my first HS Coaching Job.. "You Cant Win The Kentucky Derby With A Mule" to break it down for you, You Cant Win A UIL STATE Championship Without Talent. 

3) Talent can make an average Coach look alot better but who cares, that average coach still has to put that TALENT into position to win, and also manage all of the talent on and off the field, and most importantly LEAD all that TALENT. 

4) What it all comes down to is allowing Coaches to set the culture for their programs, communities providing support financially and proudly supporting that team all year long. Championships aren't won in the FALL, they are won in the offseason and summer conditioning.  

This is the best post in this thread. +1!

[Razor]

Amen...the reality is that it takes both and the "elite" coaches as defined by some on this board will tell you the exact same thing

[oldschool2]

Several “elite” coaches on that list have had seasons AFTER reaching his elite status where they not only didn’t win it all, but didn’t get close.

If it was only about coaching then that wouldn’t be the case. Coaches don’t get worse over time.. they have different players.

[Razor]

oldschool, your talking crazy!  elite coaches win no matter what, right?😄

[oldschool2]

3 minutes ago, Razor said:

oldschool, your talking crazy!  elite coaches win no matter what, right?😄

Depends on who you’re asking I guess.

[SmashMouth]

11 hours ago, ozens fastest@1906 said:

After the first 2 and 1/2 pages I thought this would end up a waste of a thread and also my time reading. However I'm glad I read through the entire thread and all post before clicking off.  As a coach for the past 20 years both in SETX and now in the Greater Houston Area and being very familiar with the WOS Tradition/ Culture and also the last good playoff runs in Ozen's short history, I feel as though I have earned the right to reply to some of the comments in regards to Elite Coaching and also Talent / Culture and how the state of football in SETX has changed in the past few years. 

1) IZZY you know I love ya like a son but the (50) 5-2 defense isn't trash, IT worked for years for the Mustangs because CT "Mastered" it along with his staff who many forget never really changed for years. So when you have coaches who have mastered a specific scheme and when I use the term mastered I mean they know how to make all of the adjustments in the scheme for what ever offenses will try to show em. What worked for the past coaching staff will not work for the present staff because its not them, simple as that!! You can't replace almost 30 years of CULTURE and as a community expect the same results. 

2) Talent plays just as much a part as Coaching "ELITE" or NOT.. An ELITE Coach I wont say any names but I will say this, he hired ME and gave me my first HS Coaching Job.. "You Cant Win The Kentucky Derby With A Mule" to break it down for you, You Cant Win A UIL STATE Championship Without Talent. 

3) Talent can make an average Coach look alot better but who cares, that average coach still has to put that TALENT into position to win, and also manage all of the talent on and off the field, and most importantly LEAD all that TALENT. 

4) What it all comes down to is allowing Coaches to set the culture for their programs, communities providing support financially and proudly supporting that team all year long. Championships aren't won in the FALL, they are won in the offseason and summer conditioning.  

Admins... Please get rid of every other post, and just leave this one - pretty much sums it all up... +1000

[Right99JOH]

10 hours ago, oldschool2 said:

Depends on who you’re asking I guess.

Only if you win within 7 years

[Right99JOH]

I can see the smoke from the wheels turning from one poster.  One poster with "higher standards" 

[TrojanMoJo]

I think being a good motivator makes an elite coach. In 1991 when Coldspring hired the late great Ed Peveto, jt was a whole environmental change. We made the playoffs for the 1st time in 15 years. Sadly the fall of 1993 Eddie Peveto died. We went to state for the 1st time in school history. He was an Orangefield legend

[bullets13]

Reviving this one so we can help out some of the other coaching threads to stay on topic.

[BBtater984]

I can't wait for coach Iggy Azalea to come back and tell us all about his illustrious coaching career and how much smarter he is than all of us.

[oldschool2]

True or False:  "Elite" coaches can exist in any sport according to what is being defined as elite?

[CS.]

On 12/19/2023 at 1:40 PM, BMT Truth said:

Nope. Not personally. I just come check it out from time to time. I see one guy who actually coached ball spitting fact after fact, and then the responses from people who obviously haven't coached ball. I'm sure there are some coaches on here in disguise, tho. But they aren't spewing out the ish that you are lol

Careful now.  I play an absolute TON of NCAA26 and will draw up some NASTY double mug D.  

[The Ingredient]

On the basketball board is a real world application of this topic:

Coach Joubert IS an elite coach.

He has won multiple state championships and yet did not make the play-offs in what many would consider a "weak district." He is still an elite coach this season too. Period

[AggiesAreWe]

3 minutes ago, The Ingredient said:

On the basketball board is a real world application of this topic:

Coach Joubert IS an elite coach.

He has won multiple state championships and yet did not make the play-offs in what many would consider a "weak district." He is still an elite coach this season too. Period

THIS!!!!!!

Didn't make the playoffs this year after winning state championship last year. Graduated basically entire team from last year plus best returning player transferred to Hardin-Jefferson. Yet according to Reagan it's his fault they did not make the playoffs this year.

Perfect example of the Jimmy and Joes vs. Coach argument.

[oldschool2]

6 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

THIS!!!!!!

Didn't make the playoffs this year after winning state championship last year. Graduated basically entire team from last year plus best returning player transferred to Hardin-Jefferson. Yet according to Reagan it's his fault they did not make the playoffs this year.

Perfect example of the Jimmy and Joes vs. Coach argument.

This is the exact reason I asked if Elite coaches existed outside of football.  Because you have a man that won a state championship in high school, and then won 3 state championships as a head coach running the same exact system that his school has been running since before he took the job.  And then less than one calendar year after winning his 3rd state title as a head coach.. his team didn't finish better than 5th in a district that isn't impressive at all.

"Elite coaches can win anywhere" is an invalid argument.