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it's nothing to do with Surratt and everything to do with Warren. In the 30 years before Surratt took over Carthage had 23 winning seasons, three .500 seasons and four losing seasons. They made it to at least the second round of the playoffs 13 times in those 30 years and even played for a state championship. It feels like you're under the illusion that Surratt took over a bad football program and turned them almost instantly into a winner. That couldn't be further from the truth. He took over a pretty good program with some really good talent and turned them into a great program that attracted even better talent. Now they're an elite program that attracts elite talent (which he certainly deserves credit for). On the flipside of that, Warren opened 75 years ago and has 4 playoff appearances in those 75 years. They had 1 playoff "win" in 1958 where they tied and advanced on penetrations. In the last 50 years they have 8 winning seasons, but only made the playoffs twice because they get most of their wins by finding even worse teams to schedule before district. Would Warren improve dramatically if Surratt came to town? Obviously. But they aren't winning district in 7 years, much less a state championship.

I'm no expert in Warren , but there are factors at Warren that currently would prevent Surratt from winning a state title in 7 years. Now if He could have well paid assistant coaches in abundance, lavish facilities , unlimited funding, full Admin support, on everything he does, yes he might have a shot in 7 years. But those are big asks. In my opinion ,he is an Elite coach for sure, but being an Elite coach does not guarantee a State championship in 7 years. I think there are several Elite coaches around the state that never win a title or even play for one.

I think he'd pull some, but Kountze isn't known for much football talent, and Woodville has been successful enough on it's own to keep a lot of the players. Fred and Spurger aren't spitting out football players. Carthage is within 30 minutes of Tatum, Beckville, Joaquin, Marshall, Tenaha, Timpson, Center, and Mt. Enterprise. Oh, and 40 minutes from Longview and Kilgore. And without a doubt they're pulling talent from most if not all of those towns. We're talking about a talent-rich environment. Lots of state championship wins and appearances between those towns in the last 20 years.

Surratt winning a state title at Warren over the next 7 years? No offense to Warren… but no it’s not happening

BC HC Josh Smally fits this. But I dont consider him in the top 1% yet. @Reagan's 3% was generous. Doesn't mean he's not a great coach. Just not Elite. Still some years left to make the jump. If they continue the recent success it will snowball into more and more. Look for them to compete with WOS very well next season

15-1 in my big money brackets.

Surratt went to a school with good athletes already in place and got the most out of them. Won a couple of championships, got the backing of the community, got great facilities, and now many of the best players from all the surrounding communities find ways to play there. He's as elite as it gets, but now that the talent is funneling in and the community has the reputation as title town, another solid coach could step in there and keep winning. On the flipside, Surratt is not going to a place with no talent and no support and have them winning championships quickly without players moving in and better facilities. and he's not moving down to the valley and taking over a team and winning state championships in 7 or 70 years. He could dominate that area, but he's still going to lose with his teams when they face dallas and houston late in the playoffs.

Well i truly believe, the word elite can be used in several ways. Elite coaching can be a coach that takes average kids at an average program and has them buy in and over achieves with them. This will require the coach to adjust his coaching styles almost every year based on the talent that he has from yr to yr. I also believe elite can be defined as a coach that has a program that is winning several games each year in the playoffs and making deep runs, and can keep that program on top year in and year out. I believe it is easier to win at those programs because you do have kids coming into the program that typically wouldnt be there if the program wasnt as successful.

This may have been discussed before, but Kyle Westerberg won 4 state championships in 12 years at Allen and led them to another final. 3 of those were with Kyler Murray. After winning four state championships at the highest level and amassing a 134-16 record over 12 years at Allen, Westerberg moved (to an easier division, and an easier district). Hard to argue those numbers. He's clearly in the elite category. So what changed when he went to Barber's Hill? He still had good facilities, still had a supportive community, had players from good families with lots of opportunities, and I doubt he forgot how to coach. At Barbers hill he went 40-17 in 5 seasons and made the 3rd round of the playoffs once. The program still improved under him, but they didn't sniff a state championship. Then he went to Salado and went 5-15 in two years. Did he turn from elite to only good when he went from Allen to Barbers Hill, and then from good to bad when he went to Salado? The thing is, he didn't have the players to win a championship at Barbers Hill, and didn't have the players to even have a winning record at Salado. But you know who could've won a championship (or two or three) at Barbers Hill? The 2012-2014 Allen Eagles, led by Kyler Murray. It wouldn't even take the whole team. Probably only 5 kids from each side of the ball combined with whoever BH had at the time would be enough. And they wouldn't need Westerberg coaching them to get it done. Any competent coach would do.

There are over 1500 High school football teams, and only 12 champions a year. If a rule was made tomorrow that no coach and school can win more than one title it would take 125 years before every current Texas high school head football coach would win a championship. Of course that's not the case, and programs like Carthage are going to suck up extras. The ideas that A) a coach MUST win a state championship to be elite and B ) an elite coach should be able to do it in 7 years are both silly.

One of my favorites: "The flu gets a Chuck Norris shot every year."

And by his handling, do you mean Trump being involved in human trafficking and raping underage girls, or him allowing too much information to be released about him being involved in human trafficking and raping underage girls? JK, jk…. I think that his handling gives the appearance of a coverup, when there’s obviously a lot of false allegations in there that hurt a lot of people. I can get why he’d want to move on, even if he’s done nothing wrong… but the country just wasn’t having it. Good answer.

I asked Reagan the other day to post just a single instance in which he felt like Trump had made a mistake. For once he was silent. Not a single time has Trump been mistaken, lol.

SURGES PAST $39T!! Wow! But let’s do a quick Google/AI search. National Debt by year: 2020, the last full year Trump was in office. ND increased by $1.49T 2021 or Biden’s first year in office increases $2.45T in a single year or almost double Trump’s last year in office. 2022 it increased $2.24T. 2023 it increased $2.33T 2024 it increased $2T Now in the first year of Trump’s second term the ND increased $2,35T. So which year was this dramatic surge again? I think they all need to be reigned in but pointing out Trump seems disingenuous at best.

Dead at 86. R.I.P. [Hidden Content]

I thought Santa Clara HC got the timeout called in time. But......they should've fouled him before the shot.

On a different yet more important note - The town of Warren could be SOLD and they still would not have enough money to purchase Scott Surratt

@TheMissingBand in answer of the question you just asked, here's a post I made just this morning.

Who was the elite coach that won at Allen, then didn’t do so hot at Barbers Hill? Did he forget how to coach on one of those long trips down I45?

😂 I have a greater chance at winning Texas Lotto and Powerball on the same night than SS getting the type of talent Carthage currently has to move into Warren.

Smalley is a good coach… not elite in my book at this point. To answer AAW, Joseph is elite and will be considered as such for a long time, even without a return trip to Dallas. Hickman from WOS is apparently a better coach then I expected, and a few more seasons like last year will have him moving into the elite category with Joseph. I don’t even know who’s in newton these days, but they aren’t elite. Barbray and Johnston weren’t either, but that’s a completely different subject.

Question. In your opinion, can an "elite" coach no longer be an "elite" coach? Or is he/she always an "elite" coach? Example. A coach wins two state championships in his first 5 years of coaching after taking over for a coach who had won 6 titles in 15 seasons. Previous coach built a top notch program. Then the next 25 years the coach doesn't win a state championship. In fact, he has a few losing seasons. Is he still "elite" because of those two state titles from 25 years ago?

Some of my favorites: When asked how many push ups he can do, Chuck Norris responded "All of them". Chuck Norris can bounce a bowling ball. When monsters go to sleep they check under the bed for Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris is the only person that can divide by zero. Chuck Norris went to a feminist convention. He left with a freshly ironed shirt and a sandwich.

I thought I said his handling of the Epstein situation? I may have not stated it. But can’t think of anything else!

That's interesting, especially when reading what Hillary Clinton has to say about it. "Former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton argued Wednesday that Russian meddling in the 2016 election in large part cost her the White House..." That's a direct quote from the way left "news" outlet NPR in June 2017 explaining why the Democrat candidate claims she lost the bid for the presidency. It seems, contrary to your claim, that it was due to outsiders meddling in our election process. I wonder what you said about clean safe elections after Trump beat Hillary.

I bow to your superior knowledge of the economics of the oil & gas business. You put my decades of experience in the business to shame.

He should have asked you to post something positive. Of course the answer would have been smart aleck. Lol

You put the label on yourself by never ever be critical of anything Trump does, that’s on you. Have a great day!

Trump originally ran on MAGA and has never wavered from that goal. How can someone who voted for the man 3 times separate themselves from being MAGA? No other president in our history has been as scrutinized as Trump. Maybe when we cut into Somali and Newsom fraud, we’ll have plenty of dough to fund the already existing social programs. Then we could possibly cut into spending. Has Biden’s 4 $trillion infrastructure bill kicked in yet? There’s several roads and bridges around here that need repair. It took 2 1/2 years to build the Rainbow bridge in 1936 at a cost of 3 $million, while it took over 5 years to replace the bridge over Hillebrandt Bayou on hwy 365 at a cost of 14 $million. No wonder we can’t get anything done. Google search: Elon Musk initially proposed that the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) would cut at least $2 trillion from the federal budget. However, this target was later revised down by Musk to $1 trillion, and subsequently toward a goal of $150 billion in savings by fiscal year 2026. Experts note that cutting $2 trillion is challenging as the total discretionary budget is under $2 trillion. BBC +4 Key Details on DOGE Savings Goals: Initial Promise: Musk pledged to cut "$2 trillion" in federal waste. Revision: Musk later adjusted expectations, stating there was a "good shot" at cutting half of the $2 trillion, and later focused on $150 billion in savings by 2026. Feasibility: Analysts indicate that cutting $2 trillion is mathematically difficult without reducing mandatory programs like Social Security and Medicare, which were excluded, or cutting the entire discretionary budget. Current Progress: As of April 2025, reports suggest DOGE-identified savings were far lower than the initial pledge, with estimates around $150-$160 billion. Focus Areas: Cuts have largely targeted government contracting and downsizing the federal workforce, which account for a small portion of the total budget.

M-m-m-m-a-g-a would never be brainwashed because they are gooder than that. lol Do you care to commit on the fact that Trump is still spending like a ex wife trying to get revenge on her ex husbands credit card. Remember Doge? Trump said they could cut up to 2 trillion off the deficit. This is where it went south for Elon. Elon is trying to cut spending all while Trump increases the spending. You do know overspending creates rampant inflation which is taxation without legislation. Why is it so hard to cut spending?

Just trying to have some positive news for a change. Dow could have a 20% correction, and we’d still be above this time in 2022. I call that a positive.

Oh look another B-b-b-but b-b-Biden post

I had NC over VCU in my big money brackets. Had VCU in a couple of my small money pools. Took A&M and tu in my big money brackets. In my big brackets I am 11-1 thru first 12 games.

You kill me with the acronyms. There’s so many, I can’t keep up. Lol

Perspective: DJI March 19, 2022 - 34,000 DJI March 19, 2026 - 46,000

A Ponzi scheme that can’t be stopped. On this, I totally agree.

What happened to DOGE? Trump said they could cut 2 trillion in spending. It started hot and heavy then just fizzled away. Amazing especially since DOGE found so much fraudulent spending and billions and billions just disappearing into thin air with no trace where it went. Again our government is nothing more than a money laundering organization disguised as a government.

At least he tries to use data most of the time. Some may be a little off, or exaggerated to try to make a negative point. But, at least he is willing to debate sometimes instead of just lobbing grenades with no substance and running like some around here. He’s not wrong about the debt either. But—politically speaking, and cost wise—a temporary tax holiday would be the lesser of two evils, and directly benefit those paying the bills. I told Reagan this wasn’t going to be short, and it wasn’t going to be pretty. It never is. He firmly believed POTUS would get in and get out. It never works that way. Been there. Done that.

I merged identical topics.

Texas up by 15, Aggies up by 16.

Sacrilege to butcher David Allan Coe like that.

Tax tax tax - the government way And just like clockwork, our resident Trump disliker does not agree with lowering taxes

Let's see... 1. Provide an 18.4/gal price break to the American public for a month or so from pausing Federal taxes. Not a lot. But, $.18 means ~5 gallons, you save a buck. Cost is probably somewhere around $25 Billion--just my guess. Rob the amount from Treasury to make up for the loss in HTF. Or... 2. Empty 178 MM barrels from SPR to help the World supply (not just America), then pay at least $70/barrel to refill SPR all strictly on the backs of the American public. Don't forget, 178 MM barrels only refills to about 40%. Still haven't made up for what the previous Administration pulled out in their term to help gas prices. If trying to help the American public, which would affect the budget less?

Glad I am subsidizing my income with poker and sports gambling.

Looks like I'm late to the party. As some of you know, I used to be a regular contributor. And I've always been pretty quick to let my feelings be known when I agree/disagree with a comment. Years ago, I would often give little personal attacks - especially on the football forum (ironic, huh); however, I quit doing that quite a while back. Should've never done it in the first place. It was all in fun for me, but not everyone takes it that way. I quit posting as much because it doesn't feel like discussion or even a spirited argument anymore. It's continual bashing from both sides, and I don't think either side is changing any of the other side's minds. Kinda the way this entire country is going these days, really. I still like to get on and look and read from time to time. I may even comment. But it's lost some of the glow for me. And if I'm being honest AAW, for a while you really made me question whether or not I would ever login again. That was quite a few year's ago, but it's always stuck with me. I realize and understand that this is a privately held site that can do as they please and run it however they want, but I didn't feel right about commenting on this topic without saying this. No hard feelings and it's all good, but it was definitely a bothersome issue for me. All that being said, I'll end this post with this: "A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger" -Proverbs 15:1 "My dear brothers and sisters, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry..." -James 1:19