Hamshire-Fannett (20) @ West Orange-Stark (22) - FINAL

[oldschool2]

52 minutes ago, wo-s#1 said:

That was never a thing…they love him 

So I just dreamt all of those posts and comments from the first year he was there? Got it.

[setxathlete14]

55 minutes ago, wo-s#1 said:

That was never a thing…they love him 

"The school board does" just to help you clear that statement up lol

[wo-s#1]

1 minute ago, setxathlete14 said:

"The school board does" just to help you clear that statement up lol

Correct thanks for the clarification 

[wo-s#1]

6 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

So I just dreamt all of those posts and comments from the first year he was there? Got it.

No you didn’t,they as in the people that make the decisions love him..

[Tiger33]

18 minutes ago, setxathlete14 said:

I like this environment better they aren't after HH head anymore. Congrats on the victory WOS is surely never came easy. Just the way they like it.

We want Toby!

[oldschool2]

3 minutes ago, wo-s#1 said:

No you didn’t,they as in the people that make the decisions love him..

That’s always the case.. the people that make decisions are always the reason someone stays/goes.  But those people are rarely here.

My original post was for the community members on here that were calling for his head in the beginning.  Do they still want that?  They’re back to their DC ways..

[wo-s#1]

7 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

That’s always the case.. the people that make decisions are always the reason someone stays/goes.  But those people are rarely here.

My original post was for the community members on here that were calling for his head in the beginning.  Do they still want that?  They’re back to their DC ways..

He overall hasn’t been good enough…is that what you’re looking for?

[dj]

56 minutes ago, wo-s#1 said:

He overall hasn’t been good enough…is that what you’re looking for?

I'm glad you said it.bcz, this team might be able to go 3 rounds deep at best.alot of ppl think we're just out to get him. They truly don't understand it's still not the mustangs way.the kids are fighting but with better coaching it's sky's the limit with this team.even on the goal line lastnite.bf the fg.HF had all 11 guys in the box and if they would've ran wide the back walks in.its simple things that they call.that will come back to bite them.

[oldschool2]

55 minutes ago, wo-s#1 said:

He overall hasn’t been good enough…is that what you’re looking for?

I’m not looking for anything.  Community/parent support trickles down into player mentality.  Perhaps what was needed from the start was to just be supportive.. and realize that changes that happen overnight take a little time.

I'm just calling out the ridiculousness of what is often seen in the coaching world.  Win - Hero.. Lose - Idiot..  Never taking into account the vast number of things that influence the outcome of a season.  CT made it to the state championship in 2017.  Then didn’t get back (or close) in 18.. 19.. 20.. 21.. what happened?  Was he a worse coach at the end of his career?  Or were there other factors?

Bottom line.. the WOS community as a whole was absolutely ridiculous towards this coach at first .. and obviously still (“He overall hasn’t been good enough…is that what you’re looking for?”).. so I’m going to bring this up with every success.  And I might be old, but my memory is still strong.

[WOSdrummer99]

1 hour ago, oldschool2 said:

Do they still want that?  They’re back to their DC ways

The jury is still out. DC is the basics here. With the talent we have we should've had the game sealed when we held up 4 fingers. Never should've been a game winning FG with 44 secs left. The decisions we see them make tell us we will not reach that mountain top again. 

And #4 won that DC and gave all the glory to god. I know its a team game and all that. But u cant deny his impact.

[Tiger33]

13 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

I’m not looking for anything.  Community/parent support trickles down into player mentality.  Perhaps what was needed from the start was to just be supportive.. and realize that changes that happen overnight take a little time.

I'm just calling out the ridiculousness of what is often seen in the coaching world.  Win - Hero.. Lose - Idiot..  Never taking into account the vast number of things that influence the outcome of a season.  CT made it to the state championship in 2017.  Then didn’t get back (or close) in 18.. 19.. 20.. 21.. what happened?  Was he a worse coach at the end of his career?  Or were there other factors?

Bottom line.. the WOS community as a whole was absolutely ridiculous towards this coach at first .. and obviously still (“He overall hasn’t been good enough…is that what you’re looking for?”).. so I’m going to bring this up with every success.  And I might be old, but my memory is still strong.

You are right but was defense better those years? Was the HF and Silsbee games close during district? Or did they dominate those games?  I think it’s the way WOS plays now that people don’t like. WOS was known for defense and not  given up 20 points to Fannett. 

[Tiger33]

So with CT the last 4 years gave up 32 points to Fannett with a 4-0 wins. Hickman gave up 95 points and is  1-3 against them. Let me guess you’re going to use the cop out and say it was the drop in the talent at WOS.. The point is CT is a better defensive coach.  

[AggiesAreWe]

3 minutes ago, Tiger33 said:

So with CT the last 4 years gave up 32 points to Fannett with a 4-0 wins. Hickman gave up 95 points and is  1-3 against them. Let me guess you’re going to use the cop out and say it was the drop in the talent at WOS.. The point is CT is a better defensive coach.  

I'll say this, HF is much better now than those 4 years that you mentioned under CT.

[Tiger33]

4 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I'll say this, HF is much better now than those 4 years that you mentioned under CT.

That might be true due to transfers but I think strategy wise he is the man. Not knocking Hickman it’s hard to keep a good group of kids on the prize, and he got thrown in a job with extreme high expectations.  

[bullets13]

3 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I'll say this, HF is much better now than those 4 years that you mentioned under CT.

Just what I was about to say.

[hondo1]

2 hours ago, Tiger33 said:

We want Toby!

With his 48% winning percentage 🤔 sounds about right,  I'm glad somebody finally said the real reason Hickman is always getting dragged on this site, can't have anything to do with coaching ability and success if that's what you prefer 

[hondo1]

1 hour ago, dj said:

I'm glad you said it.bcz, this team might be able to go 3 rounds deep at best.alot of ppl think we're just out to get him. They truly don't understand it's still not the mustangs way.the kids are fighting but with better coaching it's sky's the limit with this team.even on the goal line lastnite.bf the fg.HF had all 11 guys in the box and if they would've ran wide the back walks in.its simple things that they call.that will come back to bite them.

There's no age restriction on going to college and getting your coaching degree and applying for an open job, maybe you'll be such an extraordinary coach they'll kick him out and beg you to take the job 🤔

[hondo1]

1 hour ago, oldschool2 said:

I’m not looking for anything.  Community/parent support trickles down into player mentality.  Perhaps what was needed from the start was to just be supportive.. and realize that changes that happen overnight take a little time.

I'm just calling out the ridiculousness of what is often seen in the coaching world.  Win - Hero.. Lose - Idiot..  Never taking into account the vast number of things that influence the outcome of a season.  CT made it to the state championship in 2017.  Then didn’t get back (or close) in 18.. 19.. 20.. 21.. what happened?  Was he a worse coach at the end of his career?  Or were there other factors?

Bottom line.. the WOS community as a whole was absolutely ridiculous towards this coach at first .. and obviously still (“He overall hasn’t been good enough…is that what you’re looking for?”).. so I’m going to bring this up with every success.  And I might be old, but my memory is still strong.

Sir, I don't know you but it's very refreshing to see someone on this site speak the truth and with some sanity,  

[Tiger33]

15 minutes ago, hondo1 said:

With his 48% winning percentage 🤔 sounds about right,  I'm glad somebody finally said the real reason Hickman is always getting dragged on this site, can't have anything to do with coaching ability and success if that's what you prefer 

It was a joke. I don’t care who WOS hires

[hondo1]

1 hour ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

The jury is still out. DC is the basics here. With the talent we have we should've had the game sealed when we held up 4 fingers. Never should've been a game winning FG with 44 secs left. The decisions we see them make tell us we will not reach that mountain top again. 

And #4 won that DC and gave all the glory to god. I know its a team game and all that. But u cant deny his impact.

Let 

[hondo1]

Just now, Tiger33 said:

It was a joke. I don’t care who WOS hires

I seriously doubt u were joking as you and many others on this site have made it perfectly clear that that's who yall wanted to have the job and if he had gotten it none of yall would be criticizing hîm because u feel he's one of yall and therefore would be beyond reproach despite his médiocrity as a coach. Btw, they're not " hiring" anybody,  they did that 4 years ago