The crazy growth around Hwy 59/I-69 corridor

[bullets13]

24 minutes ago, ballwatch said:

Diboll has a large Hispanic population in school system, over 50% and large part of team are Hispanic year over year and they’ve remain competitive for most part, down years past couple seasons but they’ll be back. Just glance at the roster 

50% is nowhere near 90%. It’s also substantially easier to remain competitive with a handful of good athletes in 3A than it is in 6A. And a final factor here is that Diboll without a doubt has a large number of second generation Hispanics. Kids that grew up playing American sports. The vast majority of the kids moving to Cleveland have never even touched a basketball or football when they get there. I’m not saying that Hispanic kids aren’t capable of playing football and basketball. I am saying kids who don’t grow up playing those sports aren’t going to help their high school somehow just because there’s 3000 of them. It’s also worth noting that if every Hispanic kid in Diboll (500 total enrolled students) and Cleveland (3500 total enrolled students) didn’t play football or basketball, the two schools’ potential player pools would be within 50 kids of each other.  

[ballwatch]

24 minutes ago, ballwatch said:

Diboll has a large Hispanic population in school system, over 50% and large part of team are Hispanic year over year and they’ve remain competitive for most part, down years past couple seasons but they’ll be back. Just glance at the roster 

I didn’t mention state tournament appearances by both baseball and softball just a few years ago.  Like someone said, you must have parents involved and a system in place that will foster positive growth and opportunities 

[BMTSoulja1]

6 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

I wouldn’t send my kid to a high school with 3500 kids that was built for 1000 kids. Or to one where the academic rating was a D. Or to one where 90% of the students spoke a language other than English as a first language. And that’s before you ever factor in the athletics. If your kid was a talented basketball or football player would you leave him in Cleveland to get blown out every game? To play with bad 4A talent against Houston area 6A squads? There was a guy on here who was a principal in Cleveland a couple years back. His daughter was a stud basketball player. She went to Huffman. Why do you think that was? 

I work in an area school district and the Spanish population is the majority.  However, theory football team this year may be the best in SETX.  Kind you there are some Latino kids on the team.  I’ll answer your questions honestly though.  
 

If they were already attending Cleveland, I would leave them there.  Only. Cause I don’t believe in uprooting and moving kids around like that.

second question, Yes.

Third question, maybe it was ‘flight’.  That is really a thing.

[ballwatch]

6 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

50% is nowhere near 90%. It’s also substantially easier to remain competitive with a handful of good athletes in 3A than it is in 6A. And a final factor here is that Diboll without a doubt has a large number of second generation Hispanics. Kids that grew up playing American sports. The vast majority of the kids moving to Cleveland have never even touched a basketball or football when they get there. I’m not saying that Hispanic kids aren’t capable of playing football and basketball. I am saying kids who don’t grow up playing those sports aren’t going to help their high school somehow just because there’s 3000 of them. It’s also worth noting that if every Hispanic kid in Diboll (500 total enrolled students) and Cleveland (3500 total enrolled students) didn’t play football or basketball, the two schools’ potential player pools would be within 50 kids of each other.  

Great points Cleveland has a very unique situation that I don’t know will improve anytime soon 

[bullets13]

Just now, ballwatch said:

I didn’t mention state tournament appearances by both baseball and softball just a few years ago.  Like someone said, you must have parents involved and a system in place that will foster positive growth and opportunities 

I agree with that 100%. But I still maintain that you’re talking about two completely different environments 

[ballwatch]

Just now, bullets13 said:

I agree with that 100%. But I still maintain that you’re talking about two completely different environments 

I agree, I’m not from Cleveland area but have seen the explosive growth and development in that area.  I don’t have to describe it, you all are familiar and if it’s a generational thing, then time will have to be a mitigating factor where 2nd and 3rd gen’s will have to close the gap, but as you said much harder in the upper classifications.  The Hispanics in Diboll are definitely not 1st gen 

[bullets13]

31 minutes ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

I work in an area school district and the Spanish population is the majority.  However, theory football team this year may be the best in SETX.  Kind you there are some Latino kids on the team.  I’ll answer your questions honestly though.  
 

If they were already attending Cleveland, I would leave them there.  Only. Cause I don’t believe in uprooting and moving kids around like that.

second question, Yes.

Third question, maybe it was ‘flight’.  That is really a thing.

Would be a new type of flight I guess, because this particular principal wasn’t white. 

I don’t know what district you work for, but I could guess, and their roster isn’t listed online. I’d be curious how the % of Hispanic students matches up to the % of Hispanic players on the team, and then again to the % of Hispanic players on the team who make a meaningful impact. 

[bullets13]

49 minutes ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

I work in an area school district and the Spanish population is the majority.  However, theory football team this year may be the best in SETX.  Kind you there are some Latino kids on the team.  I’ll answer your questions honestly though.  
 

If they were already attending Cleveland, I would leave them there.  Only. Cause I don’t believe in uprooting and moving kids around like that.

second question, Yes.

Third question, maybe it was ‘flight’.  That is really a thing.

To get back to your “majority Hispanic but still good at football point”… Cleveland is 90% Hispanic. Less than half their football team is. Because of the influx of nearly 3000 Hispanic students in the high school they’re playing 6A ball, and 23 of those 3000 kids play varsity football. There is no comparison possible. It’s unprecedented, and it seems impossible to overcome. 

[DukeS]

94% of their students were economically disadvantaged as of 2023. That alone is a huge hurdle to overcome.

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[AggiesAreWe]

2 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

More students, more state funding, more resources…..  better chance of bonds getting passed meaning possibly another building with more classrooms getting built?

LMAO!!!

Pass a bond??? The vast majority of the new folks there don't pay any taxes, including school taxes.

You just don't get it. Sometimes I wonder.....

[BMTSoulja1]

4 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

LMAO!!!

Pass a bond??? The vast majority of the new folks there don't pay any taxes, including school taxes.

You just don't get it. Sometimes I wonder.....

We’ve also had a discussion on how taxes are paid.  If they’re there working, living, buying groceries, ect, then some of that’s going to taxes.  Continue wondering I guess.

[89Falcon]

27 minutes ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

We’ve also had a discussion on how taxes are paid.  If they’re there working, living, buying groceries, ect, then some of that’s going to taxes.  Continue wondering I guess.

It is not going to "property taxes" which pays for school funding. The majority of the population is undocumented and does not participate in voting. The local power brokers will not allow a bond to pass because they do not want to accommodate "Colony Ridge/Terrenos Houston".

The only hope is that the district may split someday with home rule going to Colony Ridge. 

[BMTSoulja1]

30 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

It is not going to "property taxes" which pays for school funding. The majority of the population is undocumented and does not participate in voting. The local power brokers will not allow a bond to pass because they do not want to accommodate "Colony Ridge/Terrenos Houston".

The only hope is that the district may split someday with home rule going to Colony Ridge. 

‘Accommodate’ them?…. 🤦🏿🤦🏿

[BADSANTA]

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19 hours ago, Eazy said:

87% of Cleveland ISD is Hispanic and many of those don’t speak much English.  I can’t think of a single sport they have been competitive.  

Is Cleveland Title 1?

[89Falcon]

35 minutes ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

‘Accommodate’ them?…. 🤦🏿🤦🏿

That is correct. The locals do not want to do anything to help Colony Ridge residents or its developer. 
 

The belief is “the more difficult they make the situation, it will discourage continued development”.

[BMTSoulja1]

6 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

That is correct. The locals do not want to do anything to help Colony Ridge residents or its developer. 
 

The belief is “the more difficult they make the situation, it will discourage continued development”.

Tells me everything I need to know about the locals.  Very weird, but whatever…

[89Falcon]

2 minutes ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

Tells me everything I need to know about the locals.  Very weird, but whatever…

Locals meaning “non-Colony Ridge” residents. Particularly the power brokers who wield political influence. 
 

Bonds have been attempted on a regular basis including last year. They fail by a large margin. 
 

Colony Ridge is the largest migrant community in the United States. Cleveland dynamics/situation are unprecedented in the state.

[AggiesAreWe]

33 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

Locals meaning “non-Colony Ridge” residents. Particularly the power brokers who wield political influence. 
 

Bonds have been attempted on a regular basis including last year. They fail by a large margin. 
 

Colony Ridge is the largest migrant community in the United States. Cleveland dynamics/situation are unprecedented in the state.

You are wasting your time trying to explain that situation to that guy.

He don't get it or want to get it.

[navydawg31]

I can’t seem to find it… but how fast did Cleveland move up classifications? 
 

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

8 minutes ago, navydawg31 said:

I can’t seem to find it… but how fast did Cleveland move up classifications? 
 

Insanely quickly, sorta like how those newer schools pop up in the Htown area and then blow up within 3-4 years, I think it was the same amount of timing for Cleveland HS. 

[BADSANTA]

The last good Cleveland football team i remember was around 2013 when Silsbee beat them out in Channelview. 

[Eazy]

2011-2014 they were good.  Even playing December football according to Max Preps, which doesn’t look right to me. Nothing since then. 

[AggiesAreWe]

43 minutes ago, navydawg31 said:

I can’t seem to find it… but how fast did Cleveland move up classifications? 
 

I want to say Cleveland was 4A in 2018. 7 years later they are 6A. 

Went from a 900 high school enrollment to now 3736. 4x larger in a 7-8 year span.

Those are just the numbers, which is very unbelievable, but does not account for who those numbers represent. That's the real issue.

There are only 32 schools out over 1200 in the state of Texas that has a larger enrollment than Cleveland. Just about every single one of them are larger metro area schools.

No one could have been prepared for what Cleveland has had to go through. NO ONE!!!

[TrojanWarrior08]

39 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I want to say Cleveland was 4A in 2018. 7 years later they are 6A. 

Went from a 900 high school enrollment to now 3736. 4x larger in a 7-8 year span.

Those are just the numbers, which is very unbelievable, but does not account for who those numbers represent. That's the real issue.

There are only 32 schools out over 1200 in the state of Texas that has a larger enrollment than Cleveland. Just about every single one of them are larger metro area schools.

No one could have been prepared for what Cleveland has had to go through. NO ONE!!!

I think the best situation for this outcome is to just build another high school in the area or they could zone students in different school districts.  Let's see you have some that can go to Tarkington (6 miles away), Splendora (although this particular one is not a good idea because of their own growth but 7 miles away), Shepherd (9 miles away) and they can have the students in that very bottom portion over in southwest San Jacinto County that actually goes to Cleveland send those students to Coldspring (18 miles away).  All different types of solutions but no remedies just yet.

[89Falcon]

1 hour ago, TrojanWarrior08 said:

I think the best situation for this outcome is to just build another high school in the area or they could zone students in different school districts.  Let's see you have some that can go to Tarkington (6 miles away), Splendora (although this particular one is not a good idea because of their own growth but 7 miles away), Shepherd (9 miles away) and they can have the students in that very bottom portion over in southwest San Jacinto County that actually goes to Cleveland send those students to Coldspring (18 miles away).  All different types of solutions but no remedies just yet.

Tarkington has already blockaded Colony Ridge. Other districts will not annex and receive someone else’s problems. They have discussed home rule for Plum Grove