The crazy growth around Hwy 59/I-69 corridor

[bullets13]

24 minutes ago, ballwatch said:

Diboll has a large Hispanic population in school system, over 50% and large part of team are Hispanic year over year and they’ve remain competitive for most part, down years past couple seasons but they’ll be back. Just glance at the roster 

50% is nowhere near 90%. It’s also substantially easier to remain competitive with a handful of good athletes in 3A than it is in 6A. And a final factor here is that Diboll without a doubt has a large number of second generation Hispanics. Kids that grew up playing American sports. The vast majority of the kids moving to Cleveland have never even touched a basketball or football when they get there. I’m not saying that Hispanic kids aren’t capable of playing football and basketball. I am saying kids who don’t grow up playing those sports aren’t going to help their high school somehow just because there’s 3000 of them. It’s also worth noting that if every Hispanic kid in Diboll (500 total enrolled students) and Cleveland (3500 total enrolled students) didn’t play football or basketball, the two schools’ potential player pools would be within 50 kids of each other.  

[ballwatch]

24 minutes ago, ballwatch said:

Diboll has a large Hispanic population in school system, over 50% and large part of team are Hispanic year over year and they’ve remain competitive for most part, down years past couple seasons but they’ll be back. Just glance at the roster 

I didn’t mention state tournament appearances by both baseball and softball just a few years ago.  Like someone said, you must have parents involved and a system in place that will foster positive growth and opportunities 

[BMTSoulja1]

6 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

I wouldn’t send my kid to a high school with 3500 kids that was built for 1000 kids. Or to one where the academic rating was a D. Or to one where 90% of the students spoke a language other than English as a first language. And that’s before you ever factor in the athletics. If your kid was a talented basketball or football player would you leave him in Cleveland to get blown out every game? To play with bad 4A talent against Houston area 6A squads? There was a guy on here who was a principal in Cleveland a couple years back. His daughter was a stud basketball player. She went to Huffman. Why do you think that was? 

I work in an area school district and the Spanish population is the majority.  However, theory football team this year may be the best in SETX.  Kind you there are some Latino kids on the team.  I’ll answer your questions honestly though.  
 

If they were already attending Cleveland, I would leave them there.  Only. Cause I don’t believe in uprooting and moving kids around like that.

second question, Yes.

Third question, maybe it was ‘flight’.  That is really a thing.

[ballwatch]

6 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

50% is nowhere near 90%. It’s also substantially easier to remain competitive with a handful of good athletes in 3A than it is in 6A. And a final factor here is that Diboll without a doubt has a large number of second generation Hispanics. Kids that grew up playing American sports. The vast majority of the kids moving to Cleveland have never even touched a basketball or football when they get there. I’m not saying that Hispanic kids aren’t capable of playing football and basketball. I am saying kids who don’t grow up playing those sports aren’t going to help their high school somehow just because there’s 3000 of them. It’s also worth noting that if every Hispanic kid in Diboll (500 total enrolled students) and Cleveland (3500 total enrolled students) didn’t play football or basketball, the two schools’ potential player pools would be within 50 kids of each other.  

Great points Cleveland has a very unique situation that I don’t know will improve anytime soon 

[bullets13]

Just now, ballwatch said:

I didn’t mention state tournament appearances by both baseball and softball just a few years ago.  Like someone said, you must have parents involved and a system in place that will foster positive growth and opportunities 

I agree with that 100%. But I still maintain that you’re talking about two completely different environments 

[ballwatch]

Just now, bullets13 said:

I agree with that 100%. But I still maintain that you’re talking about two completely different environments 

I agree, I’m not from Cleveland area but have seen the explosive growth and development in that area.  I don’t have to describe it, you all are familiar and if it’s a generational thing, then time will have to be a mitigating factor where 2nd and 3rd gen’s will have to close the gap, but as you said much harder in the upper classifications.  The Hispanics in Diboll are definitely not 1st gen 

[bullets13]

31 minutes ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

I work in an area school district and the Spanish population is the majority.  However, theory football team this year may be the best in SETX.  Kind you there are some Latino kids on the team.  I’ll answer your questions honestly though.  
 

If they were already attending Cleveland, I would leave them there.  Only. Cause I don’t believe in uprooting and moving kids around like that.

second question, Yes.

Third question, maybe it was ‘flight’.  That is really a thing.

Would be a new type of flight I guess, because this particular principal wasn’t white. 

I don’t know what district you work for, but I could guess, and their roster isn’t listed online. I’d be curious how the % of Hispanic students matches up to the % of Hispanic players on the team, and then again to the % of Hispanic players on the team who make a meaningful impact. 

[bullets13]

49 minutes ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

I work in an area school district and the Spanish population is the majority.  However, theory football team this year may be the best in SETX.  Kind you there are some Latino kids on the team.  I’ll answer your questions honestly though.  
 

If they were already attending Cleveland, I would leave them there.  Only. Cause I don’t believe in uprooting and moving kids around like that.

second question, Yes.

Third question, maybe it was ‘flight’.  That is really a thing.

To get back to your “majority Hispanic but still good at football point”… Cleveland is 90% Hispanic. Less than half their football team is. Because of the influx of nearly 3000 Hispanic students in the high school they’re playing 6A ball, and 23 of those 3000 kids play varsity football. There is no comparison possible. It’s unprecedented, and it seems impossible to overcome. 

[DukeS]

94% of their students were economically disadvantaged as of 2023. That alone is a huge hurdle to overcome.

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[AggiesAreWe]

2 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

More students, more state funding, more resources…..  better chance of bonds getting passed meaning possibly another building with more classrooms getting built?

LMAO!!!

Pass a bond??? The vast majority of the new folks there don't pay any taxes, including school taxes.

You just don't get it. Sometimes I wonder.....