BC/LCM watch scandal?

[AggiesAreWe]

1 minute ago, bullets13 said:

May not have broken any rules, but that’s bush league. And any LCM fan acting like it wasn’t a major advantage, and quite likely the difference in the game is delusional. 

I can see that side of it. But keep this in mind:

The coach or coaches would have to know the terminology that BC uses for their play calling unless it's very basic terminology due to being high school players. Also, I am told the Offensive Co. doesn't send in play from tablet until just a few seconds before snap. That would be very difficult to get your defense ready for the play even if known right before the snap. It's very quick in real time.

Now I am not denying that some kind of advantage could have taken place. It just depends on how basic BC was with their terms and how quickly LC-M could pick up on it. 

[setxathlete14]

7 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I can see that side of it. But keep this in mind:

The coach or coaches would have to know the terminology that BC uses for their play calling unless it's very basic terminology due to being high school players. Also, I am told the Offensive Co. doesn't send in play from tablet until just a few seconds before snap. That would be very difficult to get your defense ready for the play even if known right before the snap. It's very quick in real time.

Now I am not denying that some kind of advantage could have taken place. It just depends on how basic BC was with their terms and how quickly LC-M could pick up on it. 

And were saying THE offensive coordinator relays the plays via watch? Personally every game I've seen its a standard play sheet and vocal or hand signals.

[AggiesAreWe]

1 minute ago, setxathlete14 said:

And were saying THE offensive coordinator relays the plays via watch? Personally every game I've seen its a standard play sheet and vocal or hand signals.

BC uses electronic wristbands or "watches". OC has a tablet and sends play to those devices. The offensive players wear these watch devices on their wrists. That was what was found on the field by an LC-M player and given to one of his coaches.

[Sabine River Pirate]

A lot of what ifs in that ... I'll just go with how the game played out . First half 17-0 LCM with BC play calls in hand .

 

Second half 16-7 BC against a watchless LCM Defensive Coordinator.

 

Another coincidence...that was probably the best half of football for the LCM defense this year.

[WOSdrummer99]

16 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

It just depends on how basic BC was with their terms and how quickly LC-M could pick up on it. 

Was told almost anyone would know what to do if they saw it.

[Lumbertonraider17]

No worse than stealing signs in baseball, BC fault for losing the device. No worse than coaches getting signals from teams on game film and if they don’t change it up it’s on them. Seems like BC is being petty to me. 

[AggiesAreWe]

Just now, WOSdrummer99 said:

Was told almost anyone would know what to do if they saw it.

I heard the same thing. Probably pretty basic.

But still, the timing is in question.

[marshman]

How did LC-M find this watch? Did a BC player lose it off his wrist but never knew it until almost halftime?

[AggiesAreWe]

1 minute ago, Lumbertonraider17 said:

No worse than stealing signs in baseball, BC fault for losing the device. No worse than coaches getting signals from teams on game film and if they don’t change it up it’s on them. Seems like BC is being petty to me. 

I cannot fault BC for loosing the device. When they realized one was missing, they then asked for it back. That's where LC-M dropped the ball in denying they even had the device even though game film afterwards showed they did indeed have it.

It's an ethics thing. Looks bad on LC-M part in claiming innocence of it all.

BC is not being petty at all in this instance.

[AggiesAreWe]

Just now, marshman said:

How did LC-M find this watch? Did a BC player lose it off his wrist but never knew it until almost halftime?

Lost it on the opening kickoff. Video (which I have personally seen) shows an LC-M player pick it up off the field and walk over to sideline and hand it to one of his coaches.

Player may have thought he left it in locker room. Not sure he was a starter or not.

[setxathlete14]

9 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I cannot fault BC for loosing the device. When they realized one was missing, they then asked for it back. That's where LC-M dropped the ball in denying they even had the device even though game film afterwards showed they did indeed have it.

It's an ethics thing. Looks bad on LC-M part in claiming innocence of it all.

BC is not being petty at all in this instance.

Absolutely correct here  im just curious what was bc looking to gain here bringing this situation to the table? I'd hate to be dragging this into multiple weeks preparation

[BLUE_LEFT_LEFT_ONE_ELEVEN]

21 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Lost it on the opening kickoff. Video (which I have personally seen) shows an LC-M player pick it up off the field and walk over to sideline and hand it to one of his coaches.

Player may have thought he left it in locker room. Not sure he was a starter or not.

It was not the opening kickoff, it was after LCM had the ball and scored on the opening possession. #14 lost the watch for BC. He is a backup tight end and only really plays on kickoff return. He didn’t report he had lost it to BC coaches until almost halftime. Guess he didn’t want to get in trouble for it falling off or he didn’t realize it was not on his wrist. The question was brought up why did he even have one on, when they only have 12 watches total (11 now, one is in cow bayou right by the old High Tides as you leave Bridge City 🤣) and he didn’t play an offensive snap in the game in question. The only thing LCM was found in violation of today was the offensive coach for LCM was found in violation of “code of ethics” for not giving the watch to a referee as soon as he received it. His punishment has not been determined, UIL will decide that later. Him being suspended a game is total speculation at this point. 
 

FYI: each watch is about $500 and the total system which comes with a tablet etc is 10k. But the term “watch” is not what Smalley calls them. His choice of word is “band”

[F150Dawgz]

1 hour ago, Sabine River Pirate said:

A lot of what ifs in that ... I'll just go with how the game played out . First half 17-0 LCM with BC play calls in hand .

 

Second half 16-7 BC against a watchless LCM Defensive Coordinator.

 

Another coincidence...that was probably the best half of football for the LCM defense this year.

I guess Huffman doesn’t wear watches. 

[bullets13]

7 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I can see that side of it. But keep this in mind:

The coach or coaches would have to know the terminology that BC uses for their play calling unless it's very basic terminology due to being high school players. Also, I am told the Offensive Co. doesn't send in play from tablet until just a few seconds before snap. That would be very difficult to get your defense ready for the play even if known right before the snap. It's very quick in real time.

Now I am not denying that some kind of advantage could have taken place. It just depends on how basic BC was with their terms and how quickly LC-M could pick up on it. 

Assuming they’re not running 25 different plays, it wouldn’t take long to figure out several of them. just communicating run or pass with a simple sign would be more than enough for a huge advantage. IMO. 

[Setxhasbeen]

7 hours ago, Sabine River Pirate said:

A lot of what ifs in that ... I'll just go with how the game played out . First half 17-0 LCM with BC play calls in hand .

 

Second half 16-7 BC against a watchless LCM Defensive Coordinator.

 

Another coincidence...that was probably the best half of football for the LCM defense this year.

My thoughts exactly. Best defensive half they’ve put together all season. But simply a coincidence I’m sure. 

[CS.]

The watch or band tells the players exactly what play is going to be run.  It's easy enough for anyone who knows football to know what's coming.  Video shows the LCM DC hiding behind a few players and looking at the device and then signaling his players to one side or another and run or pass.  If you're a DC and you see "counter right" where are you putting your players? 

It's an integrity issue.  No rule against it.  Sure doesn't look good though. 

 

[aki1994]

8 hours ago, Lumbertonraider17 said:

No worse than stealing signs in baseball, BC fault for losing the device. No worse than coaches getting signals from teams on game film and if they don’t change it up it’s on them. Seems like BC is being petty to me. 

You are a joke. The LCM coach had zero integrity. Your analogy makes zero sense. 

[Bobcats0809]

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[1970]

PNG forfeited their win over Crosby in 2018 for a coach having an I-Pad in the press box taking pics. But I guess that was a specific actual rules violation. If this is an ethics issue only, not a rules violation per se, then IMO LCM school board or whoever should be on the coaching staff's case pretty hard, and not wait on UIL or anybody. 

As far as should haves, the BC kid should have immediately reported the missing watch/band; I can't fathom him not knowing it wasn't on his arm. The BC coach should have then gone to hand signals or else code, such as "left means right", etc. And of course the LCM coach should have immediately returned the BC equipment, which costs $500 or whatever. All my opinion, of course. 

[JackofAll]

1 hour ago, aki1994 said:

You are a joke. The LCM coach had zero integrity. Your analogy makes zero sense. 

The Board voted 6-0 that the LCM Head Coach had no knowledge of the lost device or that he deliberately cheated. My understanding is that four of the devices were unaccounted for until after the game. Also  during the game a TASO official attempted to hand one of the device to the LCM Head Coach and he refused it.

[AggiesAreWe]

1 minute ago, JackofAll said:

The Board voted 6-0 that the LCM Head Coach had no knowledge of the lost device. My understanding is that four of the devices were unaccounted for until after the game. Also  during the game a TASO official attempted to hand one of the device to the LCM Head Coach and he refused it.

Only one watch was lost.

I spoke with three different game officials. All said no game official had their hands on any device at any time during that game.

LC-M HC was cleared by DEC on the matter. Only the assistant will go before the UIL for any kind of punishment.

[aki1994]

9 minutes ago, JackofAll said:

The Board voted 6-0 that the LCM Head Coach had no knowledge of the lost device or that he deliberately cheated. My understanding is that four of the devices were unaccounted for until after the game. Also  during the game a TASO official attempted to hand one of the device to the LCM Head Coach and he refused it.

Completely false. The backup TE lost his on the opening kickoff. That was the only one. The LCM coach knew exactly what he had and they straight up lied. 

[Warrior8648]

17-0 in 1st half favoring LC-M

16-7 in 2nd half favoring BC

 

I would say it gave LC-M an advantage.

[JackofAll]

7 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Only one watch was lost.

I spoke with three different game officials. All said no game official had their hands on any device at any time during that game.

LC-M HC was cleared by DEC on the matter. Only the assistant will go before the UIL for any kind of punishment.

Your source and my source differ. The video also tells a different story.

Again the Board voted 6-0 that the LCM Head Coach had no knowledge of the lost device or that he deliberately cheated.

Are you aware that the BC Sup was calling and emailing "evidence" to the LCM head coach minutes prior to Friday nights contest again Huffman.

What a coincidence.

Trash behavior.

[CS.]

There are screen shots of text messages from the HC to all of the District coaches "pleading his case" 

They all know the truth.  Egg on his face.