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If he had a second gun Trump would’ve jumped all over it, and the border patrol as well. Anything to make this ugly event look a little better for him. They put out a pic of his gun almost immediately. If there had been two you better believe they would’ve let us know

This doesn't change my opinion of his shooting, but you can't say he wasn't warned... Alex Pretti broke rib in confrontation with federal agents a week before death, sources say

How about the abridged TVC special version? 😉

I know this wasn't directed at me, but: Babbitt: the best "good shoot" of the three. Part of an angry mob using clubs, chairs, motorcycle helmets, etc. to breach a barricaded room where capital police (who the mob could see) waited with drawn guns shouting lawful orders while trying to protect members of congress. Babbitt ignored those orders and was the first one through the window. By that point officers had no obligation to wait and see what the mob would do when they made it inside. Good: Also a clearcut "good shoot". I don't believe for a second she intended to hit an officer, and it can be argued to some degree that the cop put himself in a bad position by walking in front of her car (i mostly disagree with this argument). But she fled from officers trying to detain her, and there's clear video of her hitting the officer with her car before he shot her, and clear video of her gunning the engine when it happened. Pretti: This is an ugly, ugly shooting. He appeared to be attempting to help a woman, was quite possibly only struggling because he'd been pepper sprayed and then had about 8 guys kicking, pistol whipping and hitting him, and then was shot because a gun he didn't brandish was accidentally discharged by an officer pulling it out of his holster. It's hard to defend the actions of the BP agents on this one. That said, due to the totality of circumstances I do think the officer who shot will be able to make a pretty decent argument that this was a justified shoot. It will likely end up as "lawful but awful", but I could see some officers charged in this one, and possibly some of those charges even sticking.

How have you never seen the video? This video is worth a watch. This is a fairly conservative lawyer who breaks down shootings and other political and criminal things. If you don’t want to spend 20 minutes watching the whole thing, I’d start around the 3:30 min mark and watch until about the 8:00 min mark. It shows the shooting to some degree. It definitely shows the mob trying to break down the barricaded door and the cops with guns already out on the other side. If you really want a clear look of her climbing through the window and falling back out of it, you can find it online.

I don’t think she was trying to avoid him, I think she didn’t see him. She was more than likely concentrating on the officer yelling orders at her through her open window and trying to open her door. He wasn’t in front of her car at that time, he was walking in from the right as the other officer was a foot away from her on the left yelling. She pulled out and away from the closer officer, directly at the officer who shot her. She hit the officer, clearly, and his first shot went through the front of her window. The reaction time it takes the brain to quit shooting was well within the timeframe of his 3 shots. I’d be upset about two shots into the window if her continuing to turn the car hadn’t changed what was in front of him, if that makes sense. In the space of about a second he went from shooting straight into the windshield to shooting through the driver’s side window of a rapidly rotating car without really changing the angle he was shooting much (and a split second after said car had hit him).

Not sure if that’s sarcasm or not. Still dodging my question.

She was the only one who tried to go through the window where police had guns drawn and were actively yelling commands and protecting congress in rooms behind them. Once she was shot the mob quit trying to break through the door and climb through the window. You ignored my question. If me and 20 of my buddies come to your house and break your window what are you going to do when the first person comes through that window? Frisk them for firearms or protect your family?

The officer in the first shooting wasn’t “standing in front of the car”. He was in fact walking in from the side until she gunned it forward and turned her wheels. But even if he’d stood stationary directly in front of her while she was parked, his shooting was obviously justified. The second shooting is a lot worse. I still think it’s gonna get ruled justified, but it’s much less clear cut, and the officers did a much worse job before, during, and after the incident. For what it’s worth, I’m comfortable saying I believe neither shooting victim was trying to hurt law enforcement.

Capital police were protecting members of congress, and had barricaded doors and were posted up with guns drawn. An angry mob broke a window and she was the first one through, despite lawful commands to stop. Officers had no way of knowing whether she was armed or not, but they certainly knew she was breaking through despite their commands, and that if she led an angry mob through they could overpower officers and possibly hurt the people the officers are paid to protect. If she’d been a democrat a lot of guys would be saying she got what she deserved. It’s a very similar situation to this one, where everyone on here is saying “it wasn’t a great shoot, but if he’d just complied…” and what she was doing was way worse than what Pretti did. But even if you don’t agree with me (and the law, and the courts), what would you do if me and 20 buddies came over to your house and broke through your barricaded window and tried to come inside? You gonna let me get all the way in and try to find out if I’m armed?

Justified. Just as the Good shooting was. This one is fuzzier, but will likely be ruled justified as well, although it’s a bad one.

More like “interfere with active law enforcement operations and if things go completely wrong you could die”

I’ve always got an extra mag or two floating around somewhere 😀

Yeah, I’m having flashbacks listening to these posts

I think you don’t know what executing is. But as to why he was shot, I know that one officer yelled “gun!”, and within a second or two of that another officer disarmed him, during which the gun went off. I believe the officer who fired the shots either saw the pistol taken and in the struggle mistakenly thought that the victim had pulled it from the holster, or didn’t see the gun but heard “gun” and then almost immediately heard the shot and thought the victim was pulling the trigger. I don’t think the victim “deserved” to be shot, and I don’t think it should’ve happened under these circumstances, but I do think there’s going to be a pretty strong argument for ruling the shooting as justified. It’s not really any different than a lot of the cases we see where some kid who’s afraid of the cops runs when he’s pulled over for speeding or fights the cops because they’re busting him on a misdemeanor marijuana charge. The situation escalates needlessly and all of a sudden something that shouldn’t have been a big deal at all puts a cop in a situation where they have to make a split-second decision based on the information they have and their reasonable belief that they’re in danger. Oftentimes when we can go back and look at it from a different angle (and in slow motion), the cop could’ve done something different. But they wouldn’t have had to make a split-second decision if the person they were dealing with didn’t put them in the situation to begin with. Sometimes cops get it wrong, and sometimes it’s still justified. I think that may end up being the case here.

I don’t agree with how they’ve framed it, but the left has done exactly the opposite in both shootings, immediately blaming the agents (despite overwhelming video evidence in the Good shooting) which seems not to bother you. So I guess your political affiliation determines which side’s posturing and slant is acceptable.

Everyone else must have better eyes than me, because from one angle it looks like one thing and from others it looks like something else. I’m not positive what happened. I think the officer was able to grab his gun? I also think the gun may have discharged when he grabbed it, meaning the officer who shot could’ve believed the victim fired a shot. Hopefully there’s some body cam footage to clear it up, because even in the “clear” videos there’s a lot going on and it’s hard to see exactly what’s happening. All that said, carrying a gun and then putting yourself in a situation where you may end up in a struggle with law enforcement is not a great idea. In the same way that putting yourself in a situation where trying to flee from law enforcement leads you to accelerate your vehicle towards an officer is not a great idea. I thought the goode shooting was obviously justified and the officer acted reasonably. I have a feeling this one is going to end up falling in the “lawful but awful” category.

I agree that it wasn’t a crime.

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I actually agree with you on something.

Brook wins 68-56. Impressed with their team, but not their clock management. Up about 14 early fourth and rushed and forced several bad shots that let BU cut it to 6.

would love to see someone who's smarter than me do some math and determine how much of that drop has been to Trump's immigration policies. it's certainly helped by 1) keeping both criminals and people who are often victimized by criminals out of the country, and 2) removed the same two groups that were already here

don't really agree with you on this one. 1) He should've gone in, even if he felt it was suicide. Civilian teachers are making the commitment to do just that through the school marshal program. A veteran police officer should've never hesitated. If he'd died trying to save them, then he would've died doing the right thing. 2) This was far from an impossible situation. the shooter was distracted doing terrible things. if the officer had acted quickly he would've had a chance, probably even a good chance, of stopping the shooter and saving at least some portion of the lives in the classroom with odds far better than "suicide." 3) he did nothing illegal, and they did use him as a scapegoat. I just happen to believe he's deserved most of the hate that's come to him since, just as the SRO from the Parkland shooting did as well.

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not sure. but their dudes that played basketball on last year's state championship team graduated or moved away.