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Faircloth ran a great tremendous program at PNG! Won many many games for them, and his last year there he went to what round 4? Faircloth had a great winning culture, solid foundation was laid for Coach Joseph and company to come right in and get to work. It’s crazy to me the transition PNG had tho went from an offensive team we going to outscore you to a defensive team and limit positions. I mean look at that FBM Marshall game 7-0 win they had. But look how it has played out, offense will win you some games, but Defense wins championships!!

Lots of factors......Neumans 11,12,13 teams went big school. Faced Georgetown a couple times and Pearland Dawson. the 01 semifinal team lost to Smithson Valley in the Semis. They in turn lost to a Pretty salty SLC team in the SC game. Matchups mean alot. As we speak, there's no comparison in the coaching at the 2 schools. Joseph walked into a good roster, and turned it into a State Contender. Winning is contagious and everyone wants to be a part, therefore he's clearing the hallways and getting so many more to work with He's also developing these kids and doing a fantastic job. He also has the benefit of the small school route. Just my take.......

I don't wholly disagree with this statement, but I will make two counterpoints. First, the 2009 Indians could have won the state championship. Had it not been for a bad first half against Brenham played under the worst circumstances imaginable, I continue to believe today that PN-G would have played for the state championship that year, and would have had a very real shot at beating Aledo. Joe Dale Cary left after 2010, and the PN-G defense never recovered under Faircloth's leadership. That was the factor Faircloth was really missing, in my opinion. Second, offense may be entertaining for the fans, but I believe a strong defense is a huge factor in fan engagement, at least in any way that impacts the game. Most fans know not to be too loud when their team is on offense to avoid disrupting the snap count, and to be very loud when their team is on defense specifically because they want to disrupt the snap count or force other mistakes. Fans with confidence in a good defense are more likely to participate in that way, which in turn helps make the defense more successful, in turn boosting fan confidence in the defense. In short, they feed off of each other. For the Indians, the proof was in the pudding this year. The Indian Faithful were louder and more involved in the game this year than I can remember them being at any point post-2009.

The only concern with gloves I'd have is if some team is using that old school stick'em stuff on em. Other than that play ball.

I went from Troy (9th Grade) Malone (10th and 11th Grades) to Owens (12th Grade) and I can tell you the biggest difference between Malone and the other two was the Strength and Conditioning program as well as the intensity of the off season. Malone and his staff were on a whole different level from the others.

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We did this year. All I heard all year was we made it to state last year. I will yield to you as a many time over state winner that maybe even more so. This team is going to be loaded and as good as this SC team. Now is that good enough is the question. That whole O line is back less 1 player Both Jackson Christian and Aaron Woolford ( both holding power 5 offer's) The 10th grade QB is back (1644 yards 19 TDs and 2 pics) 2 more years, top receiver is back. Losing Nguyen is gonna hurt but the two others that are playing along side Blair (1206 yards 17 TDs) are really good backs. District Defensive MVP Hernandez (57 tkl 4.5 sack) is back at NT, Fuentes (43 tkl 4.5 sacks) is back at DE. #4 Wuenschel (84tkl, 4 sacks, 4 ints ) back at LB along with many others.

The Number 1 Class that hauled ass…

PNG had a bullseye on their back this season. FBM, TC, Dayton, Ned, and then especially LH in the semi, all reportedly had last season's scores posted up on the locker room wall.

No ma’am. It’s smart strategy. Just like an O Lineman grabbing up under a D Lineman’s pads and holding him til he pulls away. Part of the strategy and game. And holding is actually illegal whereas the same color gloves aren’t.

Faircloth was a good coach. He just didn't have the "it" factor to be an elite coach. There's really nothing to be ashamed of, though, because at any one time there are only less than 10% championship-type coaches. But like you said, offense is for the fans -- defense wins championships. Always did and always will!

I was told by a friend on here that Nederland's coaching directed weight training program was basically non-existent. This is part of the future of a potential elite coach. It appears PNG has it right. Some laugh when I say there's no difference in the athletes at Ned and PNG. Then they say, well, how can you say there's no difference, look at them. I said there is no difference in the athletes that "are available" to each team. Now, how each coach develops what's available to them is the difference in what you see now between PNG and Nederland.

From the games I’ve watched so far I’m just really impressed with the freshman. I didn’t get to watch until the 4th quarter and I saw him drain three 3s. He’s only gonna get better

I've told him this, he just refuses to listen, one of them hardheaded Jaguars. Smh 🤦🏾‍♂️🤣

There is no comparison between PN-G and Nederland when it comes to strength and conditioning...one of these is not like the other😄

I've got alot of thoughts on this There's not a drastic difference at QB, RB, or WR between the two schools IMO here's where the difference is... PN-Gs offensive line this past year was the biggest I have ever seen at PN-G they are big and they can MOVE there is no comparison when you compare the offensive line of PN-G to Nederland PN-Gs offensive line can move mountains Nederland's offensive line could get blown over by a small win PN-G-both offensive and defensive coordinators as well as the offensive line coach won state BEFORE arriving at PN-G Nederland-not a single coach had ever won state PN-G is making the run that it is because of coaching the greater emphasis on defense and technique and the size of the offensive line all of those things Nederland has none of. I also don't think it's a facility issue nor is it a community support issue I'll close with this when Brandon Faircloth left PN-G the schoolboard made a decision we're going to go out and get the best coaches we can and it has paid off in spades...Nederland schoolboard doesn't care about being the best instead the priority is on what your last name is and if you're a good ol' boy or not...it's actually reached the point of complacency and contentment with 4 win seasons or less which after Larry Neumann had coached us I thought we would never get back to but here we are

SOC also had more than enough time to make something happen in their last possession. They looked tired and possibly deflated and PNG dominated them for that last couple minutes. Personally, I wish the refs would've called more things early in the game (there were plenty), so there wouldn't be anyone trying to tarnish what PNG's kids did. Amazing game.

That parade and pep rally was nuts last night. I pulled the defense with my truck and trailer and couldn’t believe the amount of people there. The community support is unmatched.

Being in region 3. Seeing who's the bidistrict opponent. Seeing what schools drop/move up in the region to make a proper assesment on PA's chances

BH vs PAM starting to become a fun little battle

You mean welcome bored, killing time while at work??

Whatever helps you sleep at night..... and don't be so quick to say that Montana was the "best" football player Vidor ever had.

You’re correct. That was by far the worst team PNG has had in probably more than 20 years, paired with the best player Vidor has ever had. Everyone but Silsbee and Lumberton had their way with us in 2012. I don’t think it had anything to do with the choice of offense.

It was unfair - Everything depended on what district you came from. You could have a couple 1450 student schools playing 2,000 student schools just because a couple teams with 1449 made the playoffs in their district.

even if challenges were allowed I don think a DPI could be challenged I do think SOC makes it back, they are loaded at the lower levels with talent and several sophomores played key roles... When we are talking about talent SOC only had one kid sign with Texas Tech today, a couple go G5 and a few FCS kids....absolutely nothing like last year

Yes

With the FBI plants in the January 6th crowd, no one believes this was all planned just for this to happen? How blind can everyone be?

Got Silsbee's Harris coming next year.

Going to be a bit different being defending state champs. Going to get everyones best shot.

Booker T is also playing in the King Cotton Classic this year. I don't think any Texas teams ended up playing one another last year. Not sure if it was set up that way on purpose, or if that's just how the brackets played out. As for this game, honestly, Silsbee looked very disinterested in this matchup. No real intensity or fire. I think they did a better job on the boards in the 3rd by starting Elam.

Onalaska 68 Trinity 54

I’ve watched BH this year, they have some length. Nowhere near a United, but they will be a tough out this year.

75-62 HF final

😂 you might need to rotate your tires a little more often!

Bro, maybe track season. We own PAM.😁

That and turn it over too much.

Say what you want, it within the rules, PNG players wore white gloves again SOC and SOC had white Jersey’s on, why didn’t PNG players wear purple or black gloves? I’m a huge PNG fan, we won, who really cares what color gloves they wore, they were legal.

Hull Daisetta 69 Leggett 52 Final

I like the quote between the 4min and 5min mark. Some folks wont like it though. 🤷🏾‍♂️

O-line & Strength & conditioning- Same person

The physical difference in PnG’s players after one off-season under Joseph was obvious. We went from being skinny high school kids to developed athletes. The progress only continued into year two. I don’t know if Faircloth just didn’t have a lot of faith in the weight room, or thought we were already doing enough, but it’s clear now there was another level to get the boys to.

And, you have thought that are so brainwashed, they think the Democrats are doing a good job. Big girl and the long gone UT alum included. Democrats have no business running a lemonade stand, let alone any facet of our government.

give me a team with average players and a great coach over a team with good players and an average coach.

I have a bachelors and a pretty decent income. I also have the ability to sit and watch a game without telling the tv I know more about football... and I have the ability to not act like a know it all on a message board. Its a pretty good feeling to just sit and watch lol

WOS get back were you belong. You ARE the leaders of SETX. PNG and WOS are now tied at 8 trips to State and 4 State Championships. With WOS doing it in half the time. You guys have been the pride of SETX for a long time. Other teams like Silsbee is building into something special. The teams that are loaded and got to figure it out is Beaumont. Their school is loaded with talent. Get it figured out Beaumont.

I disagree with this. You wanna pin it all on coaching but PN-G has been successful for a long time, not just under Joseph. Multiple state championships and great seasons to prove this. Always competitive and in every game just about. Again, the two schools do not compare when it comes to the culture. There have been some amazing coaches come through Nederland and they still have 0 state championships. It is not just the coaching that is the culprit. PN-G is on a whole different planet when it comes to support from the community. Teams don't identify themselves by their coaches. They define themselves based on their identity. Ask any state champion how they got there. I guarantee you, coaching is a small part of an identity this is NOT rooted in a coach. Great teams are lead by great young men that bought into a program with the support of their community. WO-S lost that community support based on a hire they didn't like. Now look at them. They are missing their identity because the community turned on the coach, school, and the players' performance on the field followed. Tell me I am wrong. The game is bigger than just a good coach.

I’m all for letting the kids play. But, flagrant penalties need to be called!

Don't think I'll watch the 2nd half of this one. I've seen this Aledo movie before.