BC/LCM watch scandal?

[Sabine River Pirate]

I do not understand just give BC the win. They had equipment stolen in game that gave LCM a huge advantage for an entire half of a must win game. LCM took the easy road then lied about it. 

[Sabine River Pirate]

2 minutes ago, setxathlete14 said:

I do not disagree. Bc still wants a gift otherwise they can handle that after the season in person IMO bc wants the win overturned  and everyone to know it because lcm had their band then destroyed the evidence. So... give it to them. Lcm and bc are focused on 2 different things. And there are MANY attributes that point to that.

The only thing that made sense in this was BC and LCM are focused on two different things.

BC is trying to hold LCM accountable and show integrity 

 

LCM wants to avoid both.

[setxathlete14]

2 minutes ago, Sabine River Pirate said:

I do not understand just give BC the win. They had equipment stolen in game that gave LCM a huge advantage for an entire half of a must win game. LCM took the easy road then lied about it. 

That is the outcome BC wants bringing this entire situation to light with the officials who were involved. Lcm WAS wrong it sounds like. Bc wants a free win it sounds like... give bc the outcome they want all things considered correctly on here.

[setxathlete14]

7 minutes ago, Sabine River Pirate said:

The only thing that made sense in this was BC and LCM are focused on two different things.

BC is trying to hold LCM accountable and show integrity 

 

LCM wants to avoid both.

Write in on the whiteboard for 2026 goals and kicks their teeth in next year. Show that band or no band BC wins either way because they were the better team? Thats integrity. And thats the bc coach I know.

 

bc wants a free win. Lcm was wrong. 

[Split Down The Bayou]

 

27 minutes ago, setxathlete14 said:

OK fair enough. Give bc the win like they want and move on. Like I said above they want the easy roads. Give it to them.

9 minutes ago, setxathlete14 said:

I do not disagree. Bc still wants a gift otherwise they can handle that after the season in person IMO bc wants the win overturned  and everyone to know it because lcm had their band then destroyed the evidence. So... give it to them. Lcm and bc are focused on 2 different things. And there are MANY attributes that point to that.

The easy road is cheating😂 If you were playing poker and found out the person winning at the table had cards in their sleeve, would you not want your money? Or would you consider that to be a gift? BC is completely justified in bringing this to light, so would anyone else in a similar situation.

[mat]

The committee investigated and made their decision. I accept that. This is a black eye on the LCM program even if the HC had no knowledge. While it’s a loss for BC, it’s also costing them a potential district championship. Any ongoing battles would probably be between district administrations rather than football programs. Next year will be a game to watch.

 

[LCMBearnatic]

Oh boy.  Look here.  Has there been any proof that the watch was used by LCM….no dash btw….to gain a competitive edge?  17-0 at half, one of those touchdowns being a blocked punt returned for a score….and 24-16 and EOG….with one of those touchdowns being a beautiful deep ball pass…

The 16 points scored by BC were a direct result of 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.

I have yet to see anyone show PROOF that LCM gained a competitive edge as a result of this.  I will be the first to say I hate cheating and if it was proven that LCM cheated to win then do the right thing.

But outside of those 16 points, BC did nothing.  This was supposedly an offensive watch.  How does that affect LCM’s offensive production vs BC’s lack of defensive production and a blocked punt returned for a score?

 

[Split Down The Bayou]

5 minutes ago, LCMBearnatic said:

Oh boy.  Look here.  Has there been any proof that the watch was used by LCM….no dash btw….to gain a competitive edge?  17-0 at half, one of those touchdowns being a blocked punt returned for a score….and 24-16 and EOG….with one of those touchdowns being a beautiful deep ball pass…

The 16 points scored by BC were a direct result of 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.

I have yet to see anyone show PROOF that LCM gained a competitive edge as a result of this.  I will be the first to say I hate cheating and if it was proven that LCM cheated to win then do the right thing.

But outside of those 16 points, BC did nothing.  This was supposedly an offensive watch.  How does that affect LCM’s offensive production vs BC’s lack of defensive production and a blocked punt returned for a score?

 

When the BC defense is on the field the entire half due their offense going 3 & out every time they get the ball, it directly affects LCM's offensive production.

[Sabine River Pirate]

3 minutes ago, LCMBearnatic said:

Oh boy.  Look here.  Has there been any proof that the watch was used by LCM….no dash btw….to gain a competitive edge?  17-0 at half, one of those touchdowns being a blocked punt returned for a score….and 24-16 and EOG….with one of those touchdowns being a beautiful deep ball pass…

The 16 points scored by BC were a direct result of 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.

I have yet to see anyone show PROOF that LCM gained a competitive edge as a result of this.  I will be the first to say I hate cheating and if it was proven that LCM cheated to win then do the right thing.

But outside of those 16 points, BC did nothing.  This was supposedly an offensive watch.  How does that affect LCM’s offensive production vs BC’s lack of defensive production and a blocked punt returned for a score?

 

I have never seen an unsportsmanlike penalty be awarded with a TD ( sarcasm )

I think the proof is video evidence they obtained the watch...then lied. Can you explain the need to lie with PROOF

 

 

[LCMBearnatic]

5 minutes ago, Sabine River Pirate said:

I have never seen an unsportsmanlike penalty be awarded with a TD ( sarcasm )

I think the proof is video evidence they obtained the watch...then lied. Can you explain the need to lie with PROOF

 

 

Proof that they had it…sure and that’s why I am not arguing the potential penalty being imposed on that coach.  Proof that LCM used it to gain an edge is still lacking.  

[CavemanFootballJunkie]

10 minutes ago, LCMBearnatic said:

Proof that they had it…sure and that’s why I am not arguing the potential penalty being imposed on that coach.  Proof that LCM used it to gain an edge is still lacking.  

a previous post stated that the DC was on video trying to hide behind players to look at the watch then calling plays to his defense. idk....... there was ALOT of video, live stream, drone, parent video.

[setxathlete14]

27 minutes ago, Split Down The Bayou said:

 

The easy road is cheating😂 If you were playing poker and found out the person winning at the table had cards in their sleeve, would you not want your money? Or would you consider that to be a gift? BC is completely justified in bringing this to light, so would anyone else in a similar situation.

Lcm won the game and does almost every year. 

[CavemanFootballJunkie]

2 minutes ago, setxathlete14 said:

Lcm won the game and does almost every year. 

so it's ok to lie, cheat and steal as long as you win??? This goes well beyond who won and who didn't.  It appears some fans have as much integrity as the coaching staff.

[setxathlete14]

13 minutes ago, CavemanFootballJunkie said:

so it's ok to lie, cheat and steal as long as you win??? This goes well beyond who won and who didn't.  It appears some fans have as much integrity as the coaching staff.

I have 0 evidence of anything heresay and conflicting statements from all of us. Lcm seems wrong here and I've stated that multiple times. I've also stated give bc what they want. I know 1 thing and history shows that lcm is usually the better team regardless. Even in down years and BC is always looking for an excuse.  💯 give them the win and we'll go fishing for their band.

BC opted up in football why? BC schedules one of the easiest pre district schedules in the state why?? And you think they want this investigation kicked off JUST for sake of integrity? You're sadly mistaken.

Dont be reaching for excuses after the Huffman game.

[AggiesAreWe]

18 minutes ago, LCMBearnatic said:

Proof that they had it…sure and that’s why I am not arguing the potential penalty being imposed on that coach.  Proof that LCM used it to gain an edge is still lacking.  

The video that I have seen shows them in possession of the device.

You are correct that it doesn't necessarily prove that LC-M was able to use it to their advantage. That is why the vote went the way it did. Not enough evidence to warrant a forfeit. I agree with that decision.

But they were denying that they had the device when video proved they did. When BC asked for the device back, LC-M said they did not have it. 

Why would they not just give it back when asked? That is what this really is about. Integrity and ethics.

[WOSdrummer99]

For those thinking BC coaches focusing in the wrong direction. This has been an administrative issue since the game was finished. BC Super has done everything in his power to have a fair ruling. But I dont think they got it. Also was told that it wasnt coaches making the votes. Can anyone confirm?

[AggiesAreWe]

1 minute ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

For those thinking BC coaches focusing in the wrong direction. This has been an administrative issue since the game was finished. BC Super has done everything in his power to have a fair ruling. But I dont think they got it. Also was told that it wasnt coaches making the votes. Can anyone confirm?

Only the schools Supt. vote. BC and LC-M could not vote.

DEC are school supts. Not coaches.

[CS.]

I'm out of likes.  Worst feature ever

[BLUE_LEFT_LEFT_ONE_ELEVEN]

15 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

The video that I have seen shows them in possession of the device.

You are correct that it doesn't necessarily prove that LC-M was able to use it to their advantage. That is why the vote went the way it did. Not enough evidence to warrant a forfeit. I agree with that decision.

But they were denying that they had the device when video proved they did. When BC asked for the device back, LC-M said they did not have it. 

Why would they not just give it back when asked? That is what this really is about. Integrity and ethics.

The mis-information here in the forum is beyond ridiculous. Someone stated that the DC had the watch. He did NOT. It was an Offensive Coach who it was handed to, Who had it in his possession for about 90 seconds, he tossed it towards the LCM bench as soon as it buzzed one time and he realized what he was in possession of. 

as far as lying about having it, BC admins didn’t ask the only person who knew LCM had possession of the watch. When LCM AD and a couple others were asked, they didn’t lie when stated “they didn’t have the watch”. They didn’t know their sideline had it, EVER, for even 90 seconds. This is proven by video evidence. 
 

And this isn’t second hand information, I am not affiliated with either school but I was in the 4+ hour hearing yesterday. I saw overwhelming evidence and my school voted in favor of LCM. The schools who voted against LCM must have not paid attention to the evidence presented by both sides or have a bigger political agenda or personal grudges. 
 

 

[AggiesAreWe]

19 minutes ago, BLUE_LEFT_LEFT_ONE_ELEVEN said:

The mis-information here in the forum is beyond ridiculous. Someone stated that the DC had the watch. He did NOT. It was an Offensive Coach who it was handed to, Who had it in his possession for about 90 seconds, he tossed it towards the LCM bench as soon as it buzzed one time and he realized what he was in possession of. 

as far as lying about having it, BC admins didn’t ask the only person who knew LCM had possession of the watch. When LCM AD and a couple others were asked, they didn’t lie when stated “they didn’t have the watch”. They didn’t know their sideline had it, EVER, for even 90 seconds. This is proven by video evidence. 
 

And this isn’t second hand information, I am not affiliated with either school but I was in the 4+ hour hearing yesterday. I saw overwhelming evidence and my school voted in favor of LCM. The schools who voted against LCM must have not paid attention to the evidence presented by both sides or have a bigger political agenda or personal grudges. 
 

 

Not affiliated with either school??

You sure post a lot on LC-M game threads, LC-M threads and not other teams in that district. In fact, the vast majority of your posts on this site are all LC-M related.

Just sayin.

[LCMBearnatic]

1 hour ago, AggiesAreWe said:

The video that I have seen shows them in possession of the device.

You are correct that it doesn't necessarily prove that LC-M was able to use it to their advantage. That is why the vote went the way it did. Not enough evidence to warrant a forfeit. I agree with that decision.

But they were denying that they had the device when video proved they did. When BC asked for the device back, LC-M said they did not have it. 

Why would they not just give it back when asked? That is what this really is about. Integrity and ethics.

LCM removed the dash years ago.  And who is “they”?

[AggiesAreWe]

4 minutes ago, LCMBearnatic said:

LCM removed the dash years ago.  And who is “they”?

LCM

[LCMBearnatic]

5 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

LCM

Thank you.  And I hide no loyalties…..and didn’t even go to LCM, but my kids did and one still does…

[LCMBearnatic]

I’d almost bet all the LCM naysayers are Astros fans too.😂😂😂

[JustTheD]

Why is everyone so mad?

The Lc-M Bear D was big and bad. The Cardinals couldn't handle the pressure given to them by the Bear D

The Cards wanted the 2nd half to be a comeback story, but by the time they knew what was up they were in too deep. That Bear D wasn't letting up.