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Don’t know the score, but vidor won and is into the playoffs.  First time in 20 years.  

46 minutes ago, Excoach1970 said:

One player doesn’t help you win a district championship, I looked at tabc predictions they didn’t pick Lumberton to make the top 4 last year. Coaches pick that from the district and they won the district. All I’m saying is how many times has lumberton made the playoffs since basketball existed at Lumberton why can’t you answer?

sure.  they may not have made the playoffs in those 3 years without that one player, though.  maybe a 4th or something.

45 minutes ago, Excoach1970 said:

Brock McClure wasn’t that special is soph year. Lumberton got 3rd, his junior year he was ok, why hasn’t lumberton made the playoffs with other coaches? Lumberton beat good Fannett team twice to get 3rd one year. How many times has Lumberton made the playoffs?  They were in 5a for 4 years in the toughest district in the state, he took over one of the worse 4A programs in the state and my right or wrong? 

this is like 8 different questions that are all over the place.  Lumberton, whether 4A or 5A, played the same tough local teams for at least 12 years before Mitchell took over, and he did the same as the guys before him the one year he played them.  I don't have any idea what their wins (with McClure) over HF have to do with anything.  And no, Lumberton was one of the worst 5A teams in the state.  Just by dropping down they improved dramatically.  McClure accelerated that.  Mitchell did a good job under fortuitous circumstances.  

1 hour ago, Excoach1970 said:

Now this is a hating post, only been 2 coaches to bring lumberton to the playoffs and it’s time for them to bring in someone else 😂😂 green, Joubert, Sutherland, Davis, have dudes each and every year. Don’t sit here and say they don’t have better athletes/basketball kids 95 percent of the time then  you are delusional. 

@HasBeen36 This is a perfect example of the type of posts that drive me nuts, that when I reply to them it makes me seem like a Mitchell hater when that's not what I'm trying to do.  Mitchell did a good job getting Lumberton to the playoffs.  Hell, let's say he did a great job.  But then the post has to make it sound like he's better than these guys because he's doing "more with less".  But anyone with a lick of common sense knows  every single coach he listed here would've gone to the playoffs 3 times in a row with those McClure teams as well.  That doesn't mean Mitchell didn't do a good job, but there's this disingenuous narrative that he's somehow done something that nobody else could do.  And yes, in a normal year those guys have more talent that Mitchell does in Lumberton, but also in a normal year they have many more wins despite playing tougher schedules, and usually go further in the playoffs.  Like they're supposed to with their better talent.  That's no knock on Josh with his inferior talent, but how's it a knock on them for doing significantly more with more?  

2 hours ago, Bobcat1 said:

Depends on how you're defining great.  

That's the whole point here, and it's clear that Mitchell's fans have a different definition than everyone else.  And it's a shame, because he's done just fine over there, but with all of the crazy claims made by a handful of people, these turn into what feels like an anti-Mitchell thread, when in reality they turn into anti-delusional Mitchell fan threads.  

1 hour ago, Excoach1970 said:

How many time has Lumberton made the playoffs? Seems like Lumberton played really tough schedule this year. Didn’t play any small tournaments but answer it for me how many times has Lumberton made playoffs? How good was that player his freshman and soph year? How many Offers did the player have?? If it was only Lamar that that’s not really impressive. 

His freshman year they got blasted in the same district that Mitchell's predecessors got blasted in, so that's irrelevant.  He must have been pretty good the other 3 years, because Lumberton hasn't come close to duplicating what they did while he was there since.  And do you know how rare it is for a local 4A player not from Silsbee to get an offer to Lamar?  As to the strength of their schedule, it's not been really tough, but it's certainly tougher than years past.  That's been balanced out some by the fact that this is the worst district they've played in under Mitchell, and honestly in at least the last 20 years.  

23 minutes ago, Excoach1970 said:

Well what was lumberton basketball before he got there? How many coach of the years has he won if any? How many college players has he coached? Has he won at other places he coached at?  I mean real simple how many years has Lumberton been playing basketball prob 60 years?? How many playoff appearances do they have? 

At some point it has to be asked what Lumberton basketball was before McClure got there.  Since McClure graduated Lumberton has a grand total of 3 wins against 4A or better playoff teams in 3 seasons.  That's not 3 playoff wins, that's 3 wins across 3 years in over 30 opportunities against 4A or better squads good enough to make the playoffs.  In McClure's last 3 years they had 14 of those wins, including 3 in the actual playoffs.  I'm not saying it was all McClure or that Mitchell had nothing to do with their improvement, but Mitchell also took over at the exact right time to take advantage of a significantly easier district and the best player in program history.  Since that player has gone the program has dropped off substantially.  I say none of this to criticize Mitchell, as it is tough to win without the players.  But if Lumberton keeps missing the playoffs with the occasional 4th place finish y'all are gonna have to stop trying to lump him in with the area's elite.  Especially since most of the hype is based on a 3-year turnaround that in large part was on the shoulders of one of those types of players that all of his biggest fans claim that he wins without.

2 hours ago, HasBeen36 said:

I've coached against all of those guys and English, Davis, Joubert, Sutherland, and Green. They all have better players each and every year and when lumberton had one college guy what did they do? They won a district ship at Lumberton and honestly I watched Lumberton play in a warm up game that year and wasn't that impressed with Mclure. Dude got a hometown offer to Lamar. Yall say I'm a Mitchell fan club member but honestly I just don't get the hate this guy gets. Dude gets a little passionate and forces his kids to play hard and you think his off the court "antics" make him bad. I see kids who play hard and love the game and then leave his program as young men because he treats them that way. 

 

Some stuff happened several years back that really bothered me, but I'm over it, and have been for some time.  I won't rehash it.  At this point it's just the insane posts from his supporters that when you dispute them makes it seem like hate.  

46 minutes ago, EagleFan2004 said:

We aren’t dumb here. We all know that people in this area like to judge coaches. I’ve coached at a high level long enough to know if a coach is good not based off of wins but based off of potential. Lumberton has had some of the worst basketball players I’ve layed my eyes on and manages to make them competitive every single year. I would like to see these SETX elite coaches get the rosters that Mitchell has gotten and see if they can win (they wouldn’t). Until I see them have the caliber of players Mitchell has and win you can’t say he isn’t a great coach. 

You aren't dumb here, but Mitchell is better than all of those coaches.  Got it.  But here's the thing... without that caliber of player, Mitchell isn't really winning much either.  Which is okay.  It's hard to win with weak players.  But don't tell me those other coaches on this list can't go 11-20 with his roster this year.  Or 19-18 and 17-14 the last two years playing in multiple 2A-3A tourneys both seasons.  That's asinine.  

On 2/11/2024 at 11:02 AM, AggiesAreWe said:

Missing the playoffs in 20-4A is not the same as missing it in 19-4A.

But neither hasn't missed just yet.

And I think it's been said many times this season. This is one of the weaker HJ teams of late. Coach Davis is doing a great job to have them in position to make playoffs. At least he has more than one win vs. a playoff team this season.

I've followed this team for almost 30 years, and this is arguably the weakest team they've had since before Sutherland was coaching there.  Maybe 2001 or 2002.

On 2/11/2024 at 9:58 AM, Excoach1970 said:

Remember what was lumberton basketball before Mitchell got there? I actually went to the game, vidor had the better guards and prob one of the better players in the district in number 5. 

I do.  The further along we go, the more I wonder how much of the improvement has been Mitchell, and how much has been dropping in classification and having a generational player for the first 3 years after dropping.  his only year in 5A he didn't do any better than the guys before him.  Once he got away from Central, Ozen, PAM, and Nederland, combined with having the best? player in Lumberton history, they had a couple of good seasons, including the district championship with the fortuitous covid win over silsbee.  But since then, we're looking at missing the playoffs 2 out of 3 years, with a 4th place seed the other, which wasn't even a possibility for the guys before him.  Would any of the Lumberton teams before 2014 have made the playoffs if 4 teams went?  I honestly don't know.  I think Mitchell has improved the program some, and the basketball culture in Lumberton to some degree, but I also think it's time to quit throwing his name around with the Jouberts and Greens and Siglers and Sutherlands, etc. like some of his biggest fans like to do.  It's great that he has the support of the community, but that doesn't change the results.  It's okay for him to just be a coach who had a couple of pretty good seasons with an all-time great player at a school that has traditionally not been very good.  Maybe he can get them going back in the right direction, I don't know.  .  

On 2/11/2024 at 10:31 AM, HasBeen36 said:

I’ve been reading too much about how your bff at HJ might not make the playoffs with the studs he has. 

this HJ team is extremely short on studs, but to fair, his “studs” over the last several years have gone on to play D3 and NAIA, mostly due to the fact that he pushes to get them offers.  Listening to you one would think he’s had a steady supply of D1 players coming down the pipeline.   Still, in his “worst” ever season coaching (two of the best basketball minds on the board say it’s his best coaching job) he’s got a fighting chance to make the playoffs.  I made a commitment last year to not talk about Mitchell, as for a time I admittedly criticized him too much for some stuff that happened off the court.  I got past that, but the delusions of his fan club led me into a lot of conversations where I still came off as critical of him, and I’ve heard from enough people to know he’s done some good things over there for the kids and in the community that changed my mind about him to a certain extent.  A lot of what seemed like criticism of him was just disputing outlandish claims made by his supporters.  That said, you like to take shots at "my guy", so I suppose I can at least be objectively truthful about yours. It seems to some degree he's improved the basketball culture in the community, and the team has had some good seasons under him.  None of that changes the fact that the fan club is still delusional.  You literally came on here crowing when Lumberton got their only 2-game win streak of the season, and their only win against a playoff team.  They're 11-20 and need help not to miss the playoffs in an extremely weak district, and you're still on here trying to act like he's the next Coach K.  You’re still trying to crap all over Davis, who's never missed the playoffs at 3 different schools over a long career.  The truth is, the further they've gotten from that once in a generation Lumberton D1 player, the more Lumberton looks like they did pre-Mitchell.  Not sure exactly what that means, but I can make some inferences.  

15 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Not a dig at him. Josh is a good coach.

Just a little jab at his cronies on here.

They’ve been logging in but not posting lately for some reason 🤷🏻‍♂️

Every single article pushed by the leftist media right now is all about how republicans demanded a border bill, the senate negotiated a bipartisan bill, and then the house shot down the bill they demanded.  This take is so blatantly disingenuous that it gets my blood pressure up, and you all know I'm far from the most conservative guy around, and also not nearly as conservative as many of you when it comes to immigration. very few senate republicans supported that crap, so quit calling it a "bipartisan bill just because one republican was involved in negotiating it.  But more importantly, quit acting like any of the following parts of the bill truly benefit border security:

1.  out of a $118.3B bill, only $20B would be used on border security.

2. the new bill would negate border states' ability to challenge issues with border laws in their home states, instead having to do so in ultraliberal Washington DC in front of ultraliberal judges.  A better way of putting this is the bill would mean that border states could never challenge any aspects of the bill, because they would be guaranteed to lose.

3. based on the number of illegal crossings required to trigger actual border security through the bill, up to 1.6M illegals would be allowed in unchallenged yearly.

I mean, yeah, can't believe those crazy conservatives turned all this down, right?

4 hours ago, PAMFAM10 said:

2008 /2010 time frame Russia was enemy number 1 going back to Cold War seems at least for republicans it’s has switched to china. Many prefer the us stay out the conflict in Ukraine

Israel many republicans talking heads has turn less favorable Candace, Tucker going at it with Ben .

im just curious to hear you guys stances on the issues and what you think is the right solution.

China is a bigger threat to the US directly, but Russia is a legitimate threat to start WW3.  China's economy is failing and they're doing everything they can to hide the fact.  They're also buying up land and corporations in the US, which could become a major issue later.

Orangefield has been playing well, but Kountze has been on another level in district.  I think Kountze wins by 15, but should be a great prep for the playoffs for both teams regardless of who takes it

3 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I disagree.

BC can beat Livingston and Splendora.

I also think WO-S would battle for a spot.

Sorry, I worded that really poorly.  I meant if you combined the two districts and took four teams.  If you just brought BC or WOS over, I would definitely expect either to compete for and likely take the 4th spot.  With the two districts combined it’s Silsbee, then HF-HH-HJ, then everyone else a ways back.  

1 hour ago, TexasBoy89 said:

Can HJ beat BC in the first round?

They SHOULD beat them.  HJ is an improved team from earlier in the year when they beat BC by 19.  The cards have looked good in district, but that district is really bad this season apart from Silsbee.  If you combined the districts, apart from Silsbee, who would win it, nobody from that district would even sniff the playoffs in 20-4A.  All that having been said, the cards do have a shot.  They’re not a bad team, have a little momentum, and the hawks are definitely down this year.  

HJ making a run like they always do 

Unless HJ led 2-0 (when I started the game they were down 9-2), HJ took their first lead of the game with under 2 min to go in the 4th quarter.  This team isn’t as talented as HJ teams of the past, but they play just as hard and don’t give up.  

HJ 67

Huffman 63

final 

Huffman turnover, timeout again, 6.5 to play 

67-63 with 7 seconds to play 

HJ about to pull off the upset