Waco La Vega (44) @ West Orange-Stark (20) - FINAL

[marshman]

Well after last weeks performance against Nederland, I don’t think we could have expected anything other than what happened against a good LaVega team

[dj]

16 minutes ago, marshman said:

Well after last weeks performance against Nederland, I don’t think we could have expected anything other than what happened against a good LaVega team

Ik, everyone think we all don't know what we're having to go through with this staff.W.O still hasn't played a descent first half yet.so the writing is on the wall.and bf someone say newton.they didn't play well in the first half then either.something is seriously missing here

[WOSdrummer99]

Where to begin?

This was good loss. This was learning experience. This is something we can take with us into district. Knowing we've played a top tier team to the best of our abilities. And seeing how a good staff strategically stops our game plan. We can build on this. Everyone better be there Monday ready to work. Ready to "EARN IT"

Now I ask... do u think we believe that? Do you think the kids, or the coaches believe it? Is there anyone left wanting to bet the house on the Mustangs to win district? Dave Campbells changed their pick before the season ever started.

We knew it would be tough to split the first 2 games. LV was an L. Now the next 2 htown games we'll be lucky to split. 1-2 turns to 2-3. Enter district with Jasper for Homecoming. Maybe we go 3-2 finish 3rd. Is 5-5 considered improvement? Second round and down. 6-6?

WOS is better than this and we know it. Experts, announcers, SETXsports legends, Facebook fans. You know it too.

Board members? Superintendent?

<tap tap tap> Is this mic on?

[Coachbearoso]

Sorry about the loss West Orange Stark.  From central Texas with a report on La Vega since they were an old jr high  rival for us Marlin Bulldogs. I now live 10 from the school and watched a couple of practices during 2 a days. Met their HC, Coach Hyde I believe is his name , this summer at 2 a days and congratulated him on last year. They played Carthage very well last year at Jerry World for the state championship. He shrugged and said we gotta play better, kids and coaches got to work harder. 
On Thursday I reffed a quadruple header at La Vega versus solid football program China Spring, a recent state champ. China Spring is like Waco s version of PNG. La Vega easily won 7B ( I was only ref of my crew arrived at 4:30, 3 Pirate varsity assistant coaches put on stripe shirt and help me ref. The HC and coordinators were there also ( supposedly there were fights a year ago because of a big rivalry and hatred btw the 2 . I was the head line judge but at Coach Hyde s request the chain  crew were on the home side. So I got to witness their junior high and varsity staff in action. They had five – – maybe six junior high coaches, and I critique coaches, so I’ll payed close attention to their demeanor. Their kids were discipline and disciplined when they misbehaved or exhibited attitude. Their  older jr high coach was about 60 and a Jefferson Moore graduate while the other 4 were La Vega or Connally products. The varsity coaches were there helping, 3 ran my chains and the other 3 were behind the bench and coaching up kids but not stepping on jr high coaches authority. It was VERY impressive. And La Vega and also China spring had athletes but the pirates skill was awesome but discipline. The stands were very crowded but filled out quickly with no incidents. In the end highlight gamee La Vega won by 7 in the 4th. Most coaching staff that go to junior high games, often will just sit together in a pack and watch. That always bothered me because I believe it’s great for the junior high to see varsity coaches helping in anyway possible. And that is what La Vega did. Was very impressed and with Athletes they have Las Vegas gonna be a power For the next few years as long as the staff stay together.  The head coach and the high school staff are so important to development of a program. And since I’m not coaching anymore, I love to watch this and compare, but I have to be honest for a junior high staff – – I don’t think I’ve ever seen a junior high staff as a whole, coach as well as the La Vega staff. Just organization and delegation of responsibility was superb. La vega has a 7 grade and then an 8 th grade receiver close to 6 ft each and great athleticism and technique ( route running by these 2 was impressive. 

Just from this junior high exhibition, I can predict that La Vega will be in the hunt for the state championship the next four or five years. They were very impressive – – maybe they’ll give cartage a little more run for the money if they get to meet. Anyway, I just thought I’d give y’all that report cause I know some of y’all were complaining about the West Orange staff – – and coaches don’t like to admit but often times the people in the stands can see a poorly run unit.. La Vega is NOT poorly run, to the contrary they are an exceptional staff + great players = state contender! 

[purpleeagle]

5 hours ago, Coachbearoso said:

Sorry about the loss West Orange Stark.  From central Texas with a report on La Vega since they were an old jr high  rival for us Marlin Bulldogs. I now live 10 from the school and watched a couple of practices during 2 a days. Met their HC, Coach Hyde I believe is his name , this summer at 2 a days and congratulated him on last year. They played Carthage very well last year at Jerry World for the state championship. He shrugged and said we gotta play better, kids and coaches got to work harder. 
On Thursday I reffed a quadruple header at La Vega versus solid football program China Spring, a recent state champ. China Spring is like Waco s version of PNG. La Vega easily won 7B ( I was only ref of my crew arrived at 4:30, 3 Pirate varsity assistant coaches put on stripe shirt and help me ref. The HC and coordinators were there also ( supposedly there were fights a year ago because of a big rivalry and hatred btw the 2 . I was the head line judge but at Coach Hyde s request the chain  crew were on the home side. So I got to witness their junior high and varsity staff in action. They had five – – maybe six junior high coaches, and I critique coaches, so I’ll payed close attention to their demeanor. Their kids were discipline and disciplined when they misbehaved or exhibited attitude. Their  older jr high coach was about 60 and a Jefferson Moore graduate while the other 4 were La Vega or Connally products. The varsity coaches were there helping, 3 ran my chains and the other 3 were behind the bench and coaching up kids but not stepping on jr high coaches authority. It was VERY impressive. And La Vega and also China spring had athletes but the pirates skill was awesome but discipline. The stands were very crowded but filled out quickly with no incidents. In the end highlight gamee La Vega won by 7 in the 4th. Most coaching staff that go to junior high games, often will just sit together in a pack and watch. That always bothered me because I believe it’s great for the junior high to see varsity coaches helping in anyway possible. And that is what La Vega did. Was very impressed and with Athletes they have Las Vegas gonna be a power For the next few years as long as the staff stay together.  The head coach and the high school staff are so important to development of a program. And since I’m not coaching anymore, I love to watch this and compare, but I have to be honest for a junior high staff – – I don’t think I’ve ever seen a junior high staff as a whole, coach as well as the La Vega staff. Just organization and delegation of responsibility was superb. La vega has a 7 grade and then an 8 th grade receiver close to 6 ft each and great athleticism and technique ( route running by these 2 was impressive. 

Just from this junior high exhibition, I can predict that La Vega will be in the hunt for the state championship the next four or five years. They were very impressive – – maybe they’ll give cartage a little more run for the money if they get to meet. Anyway, I just thought I’d give y’all that report cause I know some of y’all were complaining about the West Orange staff – – and coaches don’t like to admit but often times the people in the stands can see a poorly run unit.. La Vega is NOT poorly run, to the contrary they are an exceptional staff + great players = state contender! 

Larger enrollment has an advantage. La Vega with 877 kids vs WOS with 656  means more kids (221 more) to choose from. I know there are exceptions. The two largest 3A2 schools in that class played for the state championship. It is not all about  staff or coaching.. 

[dj]

57 minutes ago, purpleeagle said:

Larger enrollment has an advantage. La Vega with 877 kids vs WOS with 656  means more kids (221 more) to choose from. I know there are exceptions. The two largest 3A2 schools in that class played for the state championship. It is not all about  staff or coaching.. 

W.o has always had less kids and played against larger enrolled schools and played them well.the difference is coaching now.w.o has fell so far behind other schools to a point they can't even win district anymore.its like any job.you just don't hire a person in a top position and expect it to work.you have to have some experience.and W.o dropped the ball.so there gonna keep going through this til a change is made.unless a person has gone through it to know what it takes.they will never know.no disrespect to anyone but,you don't hire a assistant dline coach and make him a head coach.and no varsity head coaching experience and expect it to work.

[AggiesAreWe]

1 hour ago, dj said:

W.o has always had less kids and played against larger enrolled schools and played them well.the difference is coaching now.w.o has fell so far behind other schools to a point they can't even win district anymore.its like any job.you just don't hire a person in a top position and expect it to work.you have to have some experience.and W.o dropped the ball.so there gonna keep going through this til a change is made.unless a person has gone through it to know what it takes.they will never know.no disrespect to anyone but,you don't hire a assistant dline coach and make him a head coach.and no varsity head coaching experience and expect it to work.

Silsbee hired an Oline coach with no varsity head coaching experience. Seems to be working out just fine.

[89Falcon]

2 hours ago, purpleeagle said:

Larger enrollment has an advantage. La Vega with 877 kids vs WOS with 656  means more kids (221 more) to choose from. I know there are exceptions. The two largest 3A2 schools in that class played for the state championship. It is not all about  staff or coaching.. 

OK. If you are right, we should see WV back in the championship this year. Newton will have no chance.

[WOSdrummer99]

7 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Silsbee hired an Oline coach with no varsity head coaching experience. Seems to be working out just fine.

Interesting since they didnt choose the coach in question here. What were they thinking? Maybe they wanted to be winners instead of the runner up. Coach Smith has proven his worth with 2 wins against CT in 18 and 19 region finals. And 2 wins against the new staff in regular season. The playoff rematch will never happen again if this to continues. Go tigers 🧢🥁🏳

[WO-S 89]

27 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Silsbee hired an Oline coach with no varsity head coaching experience. Seems to be working out just fine.

Are you really comparing a OL line coach to. Head coach ? 

[AggiesAreWe]

Just now, WO-S 89 said:

Are you really comparing a OL line coach to. Head coach ? 

The statement was they hired a Dline coach with no head coach experience and no one should expect that to work.

I stated that Silsbee hired an Oline coach with no head coach experience and it is working out just fine.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't but Silsbee is one of the situations that disproves that it never works.

[AggiesAreWe]

17 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Interesting since they didnt choose the coach in question here. What were they thinking? Maybe they wanted to be winners instead of the runner up. Coach Smith has proven his worth with 2 wins against CT in 18 and 19 region finals. And 2 wins against the new staff in regular season. The playoff rematch will never happen again if this to continues. Go tigers 🧢🥁🏳

Silsbee wanted to go outside for the hire.

Both Silsbee OC (Mackey) and DC (Hickman) put in for the HC. Silsbee didn't want to hire one and not the other.

I think they made the best hire.

[WO-S 89]

8 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Silsbee wanted to go outside for the hire.

Both Silsbee OC (Mackey) and DC (Hickman) put in for the HC. Silsbee didn't want to hire one and not the other.

I think they made the best hire.

AggiesWeAre do you think WOS made the right decision in hiring Hickman.  It’s been 4 years now.  

[AggiesAreWe]

1 minute ago, WO-S 89 said:

AggiesWeAre do you think WOS made the right decision in hiring Hickman.  It’s been 4 years now.  

It's been 3 years and 3 games.

I still think the jury is out. What if the Stangs win out and win district and make a deep run? 

I am willing to give him this season before making any kind of comment on right or wrong.

But I am not as invested as Mustang fans so I completely understand the criticism. Particularly the hiring process.

[WOSdrummer99]

1 hour ago, AggiesAreWe said:

It's been 3 years and 3 games.

I still think the jury is out. What if the Stangs win out and win district and make a deep run? 

I am willing to give him this season before making any kind of comment on right or wrong.

But I am not as invested as Mustang fans so I completely understand the criticism. Particularly the hiring process.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we’d all have a Merry Christmas in Arlington

[Darth Texas]

5 hours ago, purpleeagle said:

Larger enrollment has an advantage. La Vega with 877 kids vs WOS with 656  means more kids (221 more) to choose from. I know there are exceptions. The two largest 3A2 schools in that class played for the state championship. It is not all about  staff or coaching.. 

WOS has never been as big or bigger than PNG and are 20-9 all time vs PNG. That includes beating some very good PNG teams, including the year we went to state in 1999. Something is different at WOS and it’s not enrollment. 

[1970]

22 minutes ago, Darth Texas said:

WOS has never been as big or bigger than PNG and are 20-9 all time vs PNG. That includes beating some very good PNG teams, including the year we went to state in 1999. Something is different at WOS and it’s not enrollment. 

Yeah, they played the '23 championship team to a tie. I think it was Bailey's first game after Adams' injury, but still, I agree, regarding this season and last.  

 

[WOSdrummer99]

2 hours ago, 1970 said:

Yeah, they played the '23 championship team to a tie. I think it was Bailey's first game after Adams' injury, but still, I agree, regarding this season and last.  

 

Not a tie. 26-20 OT

QB got hurt in 1st or 2nd. Sophomore? came in and looked green but woke up real quick. By the 2nd half coach Joseph and the staff found what worked. Great game. If and buts... we had em so many times and blew it. Just like so many since.

Edit... Joseph said later in the season that game was the turning point and a great confidence booster to beat a great team like WOS.

I love how they speak about us so respectfully. Why wouldn't he keep scheduling us? Something changed and they know it too

Edit... we cant even beat they lil bro. 0-2 vs Ned since then

Edited 2 hours ago by WOSdrummer99

[dj]

2 hours ago, Darth Texas said:

WOS has never been as big or bigger than PNG and are 20-9 all time vs PNG. That includes beating some very good PNG teams, including the year we went to state in 1999. Something is different at WOS and it’s not enrollment. 

Thank you!!

[1970]

10 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Not a tie. 26-20 OT

QB got hurt in 1st or 2nd. Sophomore? came in and looked green but woke up real quick. By the 2nd half coach Joseph and the staff found what worked. Great game. If and buts... we had em so many times and blew it. Just like so many since.

Edit... Joseph said later in the season that game was the turning point and a great confidence booster to beat a great team like WOS.

I love how they speak about us so respectfully. Why wouldn't he keep scheduling us? Something changed and they know it too

Edit... we cant even beat they lil bro. 0-2 vs Ned since then

Yeah I should have said "in regulation time or something to that effect".  BTW, the following May, or maybe June, at the Southeast TX coaches all-star game at Lamar, one of the WOS players that was there spoke with my grandson that was there from PNG, and told him that they were really proud of that game.  I was there of course, and I recall thinking how few in number the WOS teams always seem to be. Anyway, I hope this seasons' WOS team gets better from here. 

[wo-s#1]

Just hope the new superintendent will take a long look at the program overall and start making better decisions…anybody remember how good the baseball team was…it’s either 7 or 8 years going now where they lucky to win a couple games.Got lucky and beat Jasper last year for the only district win in that time..

[WOSdrummer99]

39 minutes ago, 1970 said:

told him that they were really proud of that game.

As they should've been. Like u say they played the 5A D2 state champion to their limits. Shame we have to look for moral victories.

My fondest memory of that game was the extra point timeout. Followed by delay of game on 2 pt try. Back em up. We're too far now. Let's kick. Missed it. All we needed was 1 more point by the end of regulation.

If you were standing on the sideline you would know mistakes were made. And thats exactly what I was told by someone that was there that night. We are still making the same type of mistakes. On the job training is for smaller schools that haven't won a district game in years.

This is WOS. What would they say to 5-6 at Desoto, Dville, HP, Gilmer, or SLC... now theres one that sounds close.

It happend there once before. Couple years after winning back to back chips. Theres a new coach in 96. 1st year 3-6-1. Then 7-5. OK Lil better. 12-2 district champion. Now thats improvement. Back to down to 6-4. 

Then for whatever reason they bring another coach named Todd Dodge.

9-5 Co district champs

10-5 Tri District Champions

16-0 State Champions

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