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9 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

it's a tie.  what's hilarious is the superiority complex both sides have about it.  I honestly can't decide what's worse: the left pretending biden is good, or the right pretending that if Trump doesn't win it's somehow the left's fault more than their own for not picking literally any other candidate, which would've resulted into a cakewalk into the oval office.

Nonsense, no cakewalks for Republican candidates.

As soon as they are the candidate, they become racist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic crooks.

You can't make or prove that argument at all.

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17 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

 if Trump doesn't win it's somehow the left's fault more than their own for not picking literally any other candidate, which would've resulted into a cakewalk into the oval office.

No, the left will systemically destroy whoever the pro-American candidate is. The Soros controlled media crucified and destroyed DeSantis. Then part 2 of the plan is weaponizing the Governments Kangaroo Courts against Trump.   

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18 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

it's a tie.  what's hilarious is the superiority complex both sides have about it.  I honestly can't decide what's worse: the left pretending biden is good, or the right pretending that if Trump doesn't win it's somehow the left's fault more than their own for not picking literally any other candidate, which would've resulted into a cakewalk into the oval office.

Show me the proof

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SCOTUS APPOINTMENTS:

Brett Kavanaugh October 6, 2018 Donald Trump (R)

Democrats had a total meltdown, riots, charater assination, LIES on top of LIES to derail the nomination

 

Amy Coney Barrett October 27, 2020 Donald Trump (R)

Democrats had a total meltdown, riots, charater assination, LIES on top of LIES to derail the nomination

 

Ketanji Brown Jackson June 30, 2022 Joseph Biden (D)

Republicans responded with Cilvility, calmness. no drama, no lies. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Separation Scientist said:

SCOTUS APPOINTMENTS:

Brett Kavanaugh October 6, 2018 Donald Trump (R)

Democrats had a total meltdown, riots, charater assination, LIES on top of LIES to derail the nomination

 

Amy Coney Barrett October 27, 2020 Donald Trump (R)

Democrats had a total meltdown, riots, charater assination, LIES on top of LIES to derail the nomination

 

Ketanji Brown Jackson June 30, 2022 Joseph Biden (D)

Republicans responded with Cilvility, calmness. no drama, no lies. 

 

And we're lectured about how they're all the same, lol.

...by the same folks that see Israel and hamas / palestinians as moral equivalents.

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1 hour ago, 5GallonBucket said:

Show me the proof

There have been plenty of polls (for whatever they're worth) that have shown other republicans polling much better against Biden in a general election than Trump.  It's all irrelevant now.  Hoping that it all works out and we don't get four more years of sleepy joe, but I don't want to hear a bunch of whining from the die hard MAGAs if we do.    

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1 hour ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Nonsense, no cakewalks for Republican candidates.

As soon as they are the candidate, they become racist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic crooks.

You can't make or prove that argument at all.

sure I can.  Countless polls have shown it.  Common sense dictates it, as does Biden's sub 35% approval rate.  But hey, lets run the one guy who can muster up some energy on the left!

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58 minutes ago, Separation Scientist said:

SCOTUS APPOINTMENTS:

Brett Kavanaugh October 6, 2018 Donald Trump (R)

Democrats had a total meltdown, riots, charater assination, LIES on top of LIES to derail the nomination

 

Amy Coney Barrett October 27, 2020 Donald Trump (R)

Democrats had a total meltdown, riots, charater assination, LIES on top of LIES to derail the nomination

 

Ketanji Brown Jackson June 30, 2022 Joseph Biden (D)

Republicans responded with Cilvility, calmness. no drama, no lies. 

 

Pretty funny this list doesn't include Merrick Garland.  I was fine with the result, but it was also total BS, and had dems done the same thing the right would've acted in similar fashion.

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8 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

sure I can.  Countless polls have shown it.  Common sense dictates it, as does Biden's sub 35% approval rate.  But hey, lets run the one guy who can muster up some energy on the left!

Are these the same polls that showed hillary winning by a landslide?

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3 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Are these the same polls that showed hillary winning by a landslide?

they're the same ones republicans site when they say Trump's ahead, and that democrats quote when they say Biden is catching up.  They're always super accurate as long as they agree with what we want to happen.

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2 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

I have been ignoring them for a while now, like everything else, they have become more and more skewed by ideology, rather than pure research, even the so-called bipartisan polls.

i think this is true to some degree.  I even think various news sources (on both sides) will tout the ones that they think will galvanize voters, whether they reflect well or poorly on their candidate.  

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23 hours ago, bullets13 said:

I already said Trump's politics align much more with mine that Biden's.  But Trump has a list of transgressions, immorality, crooked business deals, etc. that more than rivals Biden's and his family.

Just asking, because I'm not aware of any, but was any of that list perpetrated while he was in office?

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11 minutes ago, UT alum said:

I guess “under penalty of perjury” is just as laughable. Sounds like a liar’s point of view.

What's laughable is how incredibly gullible you are about all things anti-Trump.

I will say you liberals are definitely entertaining, certainly make me laugh.

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1 hour ago, SmashMouth said:

Just asking, because I'm not aware of any, but was any of that list perpetrated while he was in office?

Intentionally keeping top secret documents haphazardly around the house comes to mind.  A lot of what came out of his mouth, torpedoing the political careers of republicans who didn’t fall in line?  I don’t know that he all of a sudden became a beacon of moral light and goodness just because he got into office. Again, we’re not talking about policy, but what kind of person he is.  If anything he seemed to get worse once he was in power as far as I could see.  

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7 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

Back up..... where's the lie?  Please point out which of the facts that I stated are untrue?  There are three facts that I stated.  Which of them is untrue?

Fact: The debt and spending exploded under Trump, even prior to COVID.

Fact:  unemployment was higher at the end of Trump’s term was higher than when he started.

Fact: The stock market was down substantially on the day Trump left office than when he took office. 

 

Just because the facts contradict your beliefs doesn't make them lies.  

 

The fact that you try to bolster your assertion that Trump was a bad president by using "facts" that are not attributable to him is disinformation at it's worse. It is "lying by omission", which is just another way to say big ol' fat lie. Unemployment was going down to record lows before Covid hit. You and I and almost everyone on Earth knows this, but somehow you try to spin this stat as a knock on Trump. Same for the stock market. LYING BY OMISSION. A tactic almost as old as prostitution.

The debt and spending exploding due to Trump is just an old fashioned bald face lie.

You seem to follow the mantra "if you tell a lie enough times it becomes fact." You are starting to resemble Biden now. Do you have any other whoppers to share?

 

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18 minutes ago, Englebert said:

The fact that you try to bolster your assertion that Trump was a bad president by using "facts" that are not attributable to him is disinformation at it's worse. It is "lying by omission", which is just another way to say big ol' fat lie. Unemployment was going down to record lows before Covid hit. You and I and almost everyone on Earth knows this, but somehow you try to spin this stat as a knock on Trump. Same for the stock market. LYING BY OMISSION. A tactic almost as old as prostitution.

The debt and spending exploding due to Trump is just an old fashioned bald face lie.

You seem to follow the mantra "if you tell a lie enough times it becomes fact." You are starting to resemble Biden now. Do you have any other whoppers to share?

 

Wrong again.

This is the hidden content, please

 

The day that Trump took office, our nation debt stood at 19.9 Trillion dollars (End of Q4, 2016).  After his tax cuts (without corresponding cuts in spending), the national debt stood at 23.2 Trillion dollars at the end of Q1 of 2020 that was the Start of COVID, FYI... Or a total increase in debt of almost 17% during Trump's first three years (and one quarter) in office.  At the end of his reign (with COVID spending for which Trump himself signed off on) was at 27.7 Trillion Dollars.  That's a 39% increase in the National Debt while Trump was in office. 

For further reference, Biden inherited a 27.7 Trillion dollar debt to start.  At the end of Q4 2023, the debt stands at 34 Trillion.  That's an increase of 19% over the first three years.

I know that math and facts hurt your feelings, but Trump was horrible for the country before he allowed "them Dirty Democrats to shut down the economy."  Anybody that says "Trump was good for the country" doesn't know the first thing about micro/macro economics or the effects of deficit spending.  Trump hurt us like no other president, period. 

Anybody that says "Trump was good for the economy" is actually stating for the rest of us with some sense "I don't know what I'm talking about."

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31 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Wrong again.

This is the hidden content, please

 

The day that Trump took office, our nation debt stood at 19.9 Trillion dollars (End of Q4, 2016).  After his tax cuts (without corresponding cuts in spending), the national debt stood at 23.2 Trillion dollars at the end of Q1 of 2020 that was the Start of COVID, FYI... Or a total increase in debt of almost 17% during Trump's first three years (and one quarter) in office.  At the end of his reign (with COVID spending for which Trump himself signed off on) was at 27.7 Trillion Dollars.  That's a 39% increase in the National Debt while Trump was in office. 

For further reference, Biden inherited a 27.7 Trillion dollar debt to start.  At the end of Q4 2023, the debt stands at 34 Trillion.  That's an increase of 19% over the first three years.

I know that math and facts hurt your feelings, but Trump was horrible for the country before he allowed "them Dirty Democrats to shut down the economy."  Anybody that says "Trump was good for the country" doesn't know the first thing about micro/macro economics or the effects of deficit spending.  Trump hurt us like no other president, period. 

Anybody that says "Trump was good for the economy" is actually stating for the rest of us with some sense "I don't know what I'm talking about."

This is the hidden content, please

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