Matthew328

13 hours ago, png409ndns said:

Last year was a Dallas crew. Do we need to go pull backgrounds on them? Check Facebook friends? Relatives? Any ties to the SOC community? 

I don't like the optics of it due to all the negative conversation that it has triggered but the ref had absolutely ZERO impact on the outcome of the game. People need to move on. 

It wasn't a Dallas crew last year, it was a Fort Worth crew...quite different 

1 hour ago, Rez Ipsa said:

After watching Coach Todd in this, he mostly has a reasonable take. He seems to be more focused on whether there were procedural errors that need to be corrected, not on challenging the results of the game. He basically says, “It’s not the reason we lost, but it’s not a good look for the game.” Mostly, we all agree with that (leaving out the fact that he should have been the one to police which refs are playing in the game). He doesn’t allege any wrongdoing by PNG, he simply ascribes the situation to the fact that ref crews really, really want to coach in the state championship. Again, I think he should take more responsibility for not doing his own, or sufficient, diligence on the ref crew. Of course, he says he disagreed with the call but it’s his job to disagree with the call. I don’t expect him to like it. I wish he would get it right that the ref from SETX isn’t the one who made “the” call. And he even admits that the kid who had the call against him had been warned at least two times by the ref. Overall, a pretty reasonable discussion, even I don’t totally agree with all of his perspectives. He may be cocky but he’s not dumb, and I don’t think he’s behaving maliciously against PNG or being a bad sport. There might be someone else at DISD stirring up a storm just for the optics or out of bitterness or something, but Coach Todd comes off looking pretty fair here.

Todd is a polarizing figure, but he and his staff are very good coaches. They had their kids ready to play, they just got beat by a really good team....no shame in that

I can assure you the SOC coaching staff is ready to move on, this being done by DISD board members/admin for optics

14 hours ago, Zoey1204 said:

SOC had to know the Houston chapter calls PNG as well as Ned games 

they did know that

2 hours ago, pine curtain said:

Todd even said the ref warned him 2-3 times before he flagged them for hands to the face.

The ref knew he should not be calling that game.

Perception is reality no matter if anything happened or not

The ref has kids that go to PN-gisd and he owns a business that services the PN-g community.

You know if he would have made a call against PN-g it would have effected his business.

It is a no win situation for him and PN-g.

If the ref wasn't from PN-g this would not even be an issue today.

 

 

I agree, it does put that ref in a bad situation regardless of what happens....

1 hour ago, CS. said:

So it sounds like he thinks the guy who called the PI is the guy from Groves.  That simply is not the case.  Ignorance.

He did and I corrected him....the official who lives or works in Port Neches threw one flag the entire game and that was a hands to the face

22 hours ago, pine curtain said:

only 2 were competitive.  

SOC-PNG; Bellville-Gilmer and Malakoff-Franklin were competitive down to the very end

Gunter-Tidehaven was pretty competitive until the 4th

Mart-Albany and Duncanville-North Shore were close enough to where it wasn't a total blowout but you never felt like Mart or North Shore was coming back to win

Yeah everything else...blowout city

43 minutes ago, Rez Ipsa said:

Thank you. I was confused because someone (I don’t remember who, but it was someone in a journalist position) emphasized that the SOC coach didn’t say anything about the “call” in the three minutes after it happened

even if challenges were allowed I don think a DPI could be challenged

I do think SOC makes it back, they are loaded at the lower levels with talent and several sophomores played key roles...

When we are talking about talent SOC only had one kid sign with Texas Tech today, a couple go G5 and a few FCS kids....absolutely nothing like last year

23 hours ago, png409ndns said:

Well he doesn't have kids at PNG high school. And the coaches agreed on the refs so the point is moot per IV of your post 

 

The coaches agreed on the refs but to my understanding Part IV only applies if the potential conflict is disclosed...the rule reads he doesn't have kids at the school, so I assume since it specifically says school and not ISD its not per TASO considered a conflict 

31 minutes ago, navydawg31 said:

In your opinion PNG vs SOC who had the better the better…

Oline, QB, RB, WR, DL, LB, Secondary, STs… 

 

OL PNG

QB PNG

WR SOC

DL PNG

LB SOC

DB SOC

Special Teams PNG

54 minutes ago, Reagan said:

They’re just mad because “coaching” beat “talent!”   They, like some here, don’t understand it!  😎😁

I think you are overestimating SOC's talent this year..PNG especially up front IMO was more talented 

7 hours ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

Depending on who you ask up there, I totally get what Matt is saying 🤣

Exactly IYKYK

7 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Local optics? 🕶

Absolutely you file a protest to appease your base..standard operating procedure

4 minutes ago, Rez Ipsa said:

This is incredible. They had every opportunity to look at who was on the ref crew, and approved that crew anyway. How can there have been a lack of transparency when the ref bios were public information?
 

Also, that ref only even threw one flag the whole game, and that wasn’t the call they’re complaining about. That ref has no children attending PNG, which is the only violation possible. Wasn’t the ref crew from the Dallas area last year?
 

Not to mention, this sends the worst possible message to the students : That there’s no such thing as graceful defeat, that every disappointment must be appealed, that every failure is a robbery instead of just a failure.  

The referee crew last year was a Fort Worth crew...SOC uses Dallas

Contrary to popular belief Fort Worth is its own thing

1 minute ago, PhatMack19 said:

 

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Thats just being done for optics locally...I dont believe anyone in their right mind believes the UIL will even entertain that appeal

57 minutes ago, navydawg31 said:

I guess refresh my memory on the term it’s been a while…. But A “Magnet” School wasn’t there a rule on that they have to compete a higher level or something? Is that still a thing or no? I’m trying to refresh my memory on it all

That used to be a rule but I dont believe it is any longer

2 hours ago, Rez Ipsa said:

I’d be ok with it happening because of the incidental fact that two teams have similar or same colors. It’s more fishy when it’s obviously not your colors and the deliberate choice is based on what the other team is wearing. It’s purposeful interference with the referees. The only reason to do it is if you’re planning to hold AND to obstruct the refs’ view of the penalty. If that’s ok, why not also shine a light in the refs’ eyes so they can’t see? (An admittedly more extreme example, but both are in the same spirit of interference with the administration of the game). 

Kids do it for instagram etc....its not a competitive thing its a fashion/disrespect thing that started in peewee ball and made its way to HS

4 minutes ago, Matthew328 said:

Because thats an ISD decision, PNG could tomorrow go open enrollment if they choose to. 

There are a lot more open enrollment ISDs than you think that are out there as well....Dallas ISD is far from unique in that regard

I do believe TX should consider doing like Louisiana and creating classifications and seperating out open enrollment ISD's vs non-open enrollment ISD's 

1 minute ago, Rez Ipsa said:

I’m not arguing they aren’t eligible. I’d just like to understand why we don’t recruit as openly as they do. Why can’t png just declare itself and open enrollment school and build a super team? 

Because thats an ISD decision, PNG could tomorrow go open enrollment if they choose to. 

On 12/17/2023 at 2:02 PM, Rez Ipsa said:

I think there should be a rule on that. It’s evidencing an intention to interfere with the referee’s administration of the game. It’s saying, “We intend to cheat and we are taking action to obstruct the referees’ ability to observe and punish our cheating.” 

I mean you cant really do that because what if the other team wears white or has the same team colors as you? Refs dont need to be fashion police IMO

1 hour ago, png409ndns said:

Open enrollment in the name of education even though they are rated as one of the worst schools in not only Texas but the entire nation. 

Also, 97 percent of the kids are economically disadvantaged but every kid on the team probably has 1k worth of accessories between shoes and gloves to match every opponent, jerseys like they are Oregon and enough pregame gear to make a small college jealous. 

I'm not the world's biggest fan of open enrollment myself, but we can thank the Texas legislature for that along with charter schools et al..it is what it is and the UIL does the best they can with the resources alloted. The kids that play for SOC are all eligible under UIL rules, the open enrollment/recruiting conversation to me is just as moot IMO as SOC people complaining about some close calls that didnt go their way

4 hours ago, pine curtain said:

last year a DFW crew did the PN-g game.

It was a Fort Worth crew, SOC uses Dallas, it wasn't SOC's home chapter. 

Coach Todd said he agreed to the crew and he owned that, he admitted if he knew there was an official who worked in Port Neches he likely wouldn't have agreed to the crew (I wouldn't have either) thats not to say it automatically makes them a bad crew or a bad official but there's optics and its probably not fair to put him in that spot. 

Coach Todd did say he didnt agree w/the PI call and I wouldn't expect him to, its a close call that went against his team, no coach will be happy about it, its just the nature of the game

Probably shoulda been defensive holding, but still woulda resulted in 1/2 the distance and an automatic 1st down

1 minute ago, navydawg31 said:

I wonder if they are still the Mecca or naw? 

They still are..they are the Mecca because of the late 60's/early 70s not now

1 hour ago, outanup said:

So.....not being ready for the onside kick is Good Coaching?

 

I think it was more of a perfectly executed onside kick....not sure a lot of teams would have been ready for an onside there...it was a gamble and a great call by Coach Joseph but I dont think it was poor coaching from SOC

Full stop, I picked PNG to win because of the trenches and they were better team IMO, the bad DPI call shouldn't take away from their win