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here is another thought to get some discussion on the original topic. Shooters vs scorers. Depends a little on the system they are in. We are a pressure defense and dribble drive offensive team. (if you can't dribble drive then your minutes are limited a little) We are trying to develop players that can drive, score, and shoot. We have two players shooting about 30-35% from behind the line. One has made 47 3's and the other has made 38 - (29 games) not sure how those numbers compare to the other "shooters" in the area but I know the opposing coach's yell "SHOOTER SHOOTER" every time one of them catches the ball... Lol Our gym is available a lot during the off season for our girls and the past 3 years we have had great turnout in numbers of girls that access it. There has been a direct correlation between this group putting in work in the off-season and having team success in the season.

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Great observations on here with Coach Shu and many more. Here as the WOS girls coach here is what I have observed. Repetitions are key to any success in sports. Since being assigned as the head coach here I make sure my gym stays open for my girls. Unlike other programs we don't have a little dribblers program here yet and a lot of my girls can't afford AAU. However, we utilized the UIL's new rule for skills training this past summer focusing on fundamentals and I have seen it pay off. We're still behind on skill set but we make up some of this with our athleticism. Girls are not like boys and besides the obvious here is what I mean. A boy will watch basketball on tv or play the video game of 2K and then head outside trying the moves he just saw. Girls rarely will even watch basketball on tv and if they do they rarely go outside to practice what they saw. Now I know they're anomalies to this and few girls will do it. The key to growing basketball in our small areas is through little dribblers but we have to still think outside the box. It does us no good to run a little dribblers program where we have 2 teams that play each other every week or mix teams with boys/girls. What we need to do is run little dribblers like we do pee-wee football. For example West Orange Stark Little Dribblers plays Bridge City this week at all ages and one of the programs host the event. Next week WOS may travel to LCM area and play their Little Dribblers program at LCM. What this will do is a few things. Number 1 make it where you build competition and make the community start paying attention on Saturday. A lot of people would pay to go see these type of games on Saturdays which will fund the program. It will also make parents aware of the competition that is out there and the work that needs to be done. If this is done properly then a pipeline will be heading to the junior high. My girls played Little Dribblers for years either on mixed teams (boys and girls) or playing against one all girls team where a parent stacked one team against the other team. The mixed teams saw the girls getting pushed to the side not getting the development they need and the stacked team stroked a parents ego that really couldn't coach but because they had the stacked team looked like coach of the year. In the end my girls left the sport for softball or volleyball which broke my heart being a basketball guy. They saw it was a waste of time and enjoyed the organization of softball/volleyball more because it was more competitive. In order for us to grow girls basketball for the whole area we have to change the process at the grass roots level. If this is done then we will see more girls going off to play college ball from all the schools and not just a few handful. We will also see shooting, ball handling and other skills grow. Last statement, Martins Mills has basketball figured out. I went there this past summer visiting a buddy who's daughter is a stud on the high school team and saw their process. The Little Dribblers is ran like I mentioned above and ever kid has a pass-code to the gym and can go shoot anytime of day. Kids put their code in flip on the lights and get to work. Now I know we don't all live in a town like Martins Mill but my point is their facilities are accessible for kids to get shots up. My two cents.

Then HJ is most certainly doing it right. They are making all of the necessary deposits. That's what I used to tell my kids growing up.. If you need a withdrawal later, deposit the time/effort now.

Is Steve Kerr a bad coach now that he is losing? You know , the same Steve Kerr that has won several NBA titles recently?

2 Shooters that have been overlooked are Jayda Argumon and Shannon Whitehead from Woodville. Whitehead has unlimited range with her 3 pter and Argumon has the ability to shoot the mid range as well as the 3 Ball with an absolute pure shot.

I’m not talking about school coaching at all, the girls that are playing AAU ball and taking private lessons is what I’m talking about, and like Coach Schu mentioned in youth sports. If a High School coach is teaching and breaking down the shot, it’s too late. A HS coach should be able to see if a shooter is struggling and make adjustments. Little Dribblers in this area is the most popular youth basketball in this area and the leagues do not train the coaches, so you end up with a bunch of moms and dads teaching form shooting completely wrong. Then most private lessons focus so much attention on ball handling and getting to the rim and you get scorers from this and not shooters!

I wasn't implying that it's an excuse you were making, just a bad excuse for anyone to make. Want to shoot better? PUT IN THE TIME/EFFORT necessary. Not just shots. Proper shots. Practice doesn't make perfect practice makes permanent. You have to practice doing the right thing.

Antioch. That's where our Superintendent goes and a majority of our administration goes. It's where Louis goes from what I'm told...

As the first half of district wraps up, there are some big games that could shake things up this week. I have told anyone that asks all year, that our district will do well come playoff time. The #2 seed matchup with Yates will be a tough one, but it would not surprise me if we had #2vs #3. and #1 vs #4 all playing each other in the 3rd round. HJ. 4-0. @ WOS, vs SILS) LUMBERTON. 4-1. (BYE, @ BC) WOS. 3-1. (@HJ, LCM) SISLBEE 2-2. (HF, @HJ) LCM. 1-3. (@BC, WOS) BC. 1-3. (LCM, @LUM) HF. 0-5 (@ SILS, BYE)

I guess we can live in teepees like her family

Freshman PNG 41 BH 37 Final Good start to the night!

As do I, however, I can only post what gets reported. And as Alpha indicated, some of the scores I need aren't reported anywhere. I look. If it is not reported here, I look on maxpreps, I look on twitter, I even look on Roy Report to see if Nick got something that I didn't. There are some schools that I can count on getting, but for the most part, my efforts prove fruitless. I do appreciate those that do report scores here as I have something to present, I just wish there were more of them.

Bush 52 H-F 56

your crazy if you leave Kevin Foster off this list

I'll take BS in a close one.

You should come out and watch some games! There are more half court offense teams in this area then you may think! Now some teams do lack overall athleticism to just "pressure, steal, layup" but there definitely are some half court offenses being played. Now what you dont see, is a lot of man to man defense in the area, only a handful of teams play it. As far as being able to create their own shot, there are so many in the area, here is just a small list of some of them: Ashlon Jackson - HJ Delana Carter - Barbers Hill Kaden Morris - Lumberton Jayda Argumon - Woodville Jordyn Beatty - Woodville Asia Mitchell - Jasper Princess Anderson - United Cassie Chavez - Legacy Mollee Priddy - PNG Faith Fregia - Orangefield

Real simple you have to have players to win, I mean I think Coaches like coach Jeffcoat, Coach Mitchell, Coach Mcdonald, Coach Smith from vidor don’t get enough credit, those guys do a pretty dang good job with what they have...

This irks me!!! Can't find them on here. Can't find them on Maxpreps. Can't find them on Twitter, Facebook, etc. The district chairman (Channelview) can't even give you girl basketball finals. Lucky I've established a method (email, messenger, text) to contact just about every coach in our 6A district and with Soulja's help we get it done.

I agree with you, open gym is usually full of boys but several of our girls on our team grew up playing with boys and it shows on game days. I would have to say non of them are pure shooters, more of scorers because they will get their points from a variety of ways.

One can shove a seed in the ground and tell it "you need to grow", but it has a better chance of making it if it is nurtured and cared for as it develops.....

10-4. And btw.. I can think of very few situations where girls can't access the gym during the summer. I know that a lot of schools have volleyball nets up but that doesn't effect shooting or ball handling work. They probably won't have access like being described at MM but it's there. And yeah.. I personally get tired of looking on this forum and can't even see scores posted. Not that I have a vested interest but I usually like to keep up with all sports to an extent.

He states the point he was making was that their gym was accessible to their athletes, not that they have the model for us to copy. I think this has turned into a great discussion on how to improve setx girls basketball in general.

This is sooooo true. Something I have been trying to get our girls to do more of is watch the game!

I'm pretty certain that the cons far outweigh the pros in terms of little dribblers. To be clear, I'm not advocating for ZERO youth basketball experience. I definitely think that even bad experience can be better than no experience especially in terms of learning some concept of the game. However, if a kid is relying on little dribbler ONLY for their skills training then they're going to be in a bind in the long run. I'll guarantee you that there aren't many youth basketball programs that do it the way it should be done. I personally think that all youth basketball coaches should attend at least one sort of seminar with the school's varsity head coach for ideas, useful drills, and maybe some preferred concepts to focus on every practice. Maybe even some practice planning itself. I'm fairly certain that no towns are doing that. If so, please enlighten me. I noticed you mentioned HJ. I would never take anything away from their accomplishments or the volunteers coaching their youth sports.. but.. they have a player on their team with multiple big time D1 offers and another player on their team that had a father who was a varsity head coach for several years. Is the youth program responsible for ALL of the success they're seeing? Or do they maybe have some players that spend a huge amount of time working on the game outside of the season?

I do also, thats why I am able to say that the ones who do make gyms available are greatly outnumbered by the ones who dont especially for girls in our area. Or they say its gonna be open gym but lets be honest.....it is primarily for the boys. Then the girls have to "get in where they fit in" which in that case some will but most wont.

I think it can be agreed upon that each of these young ladies listed have "put in the work" that oldschool2 has described, and they deserve the recognition for that work. I am sure there are some more that should be listed also, as these type of lists always omit worthy player(s). More global theories on why things aren't as good as they could be are harder to figure out, as there are more moving pieces involved as you move out from putting the work in as an individual, to putting the work in as a part of a larger unit (i.e. team, school, community, etc.). Thank you to the coaches, parents, and other mentors that have supported these young ladies, and all the other young ladies that play girls basketball. It could not be done at ANY level without their efforts.

I have a lot of friends in the coaching world on every level all the way up to college. I think you're grossly underestimating how much gym availability these kids have during the summer.

No argument here. In fact, I think little dribblers is the single biggest contributor to bad basketball in rural America. Kids don't learn anything except bad habits. Girls especially (with shooting) are often times not big enough or strong enough at very young ages to get the ball to the rim so they are encouraged to get it up there however they can. That's so detrimental. Small school basketball is a cesspool of 2 handed shooting, right handed dribbling, and stupid fouls / tie-ups. It's hard for me to even watch high school basketball anymore (locally) because I just stay mad the entire time.

A coach that can barely speak English is about to win the National Championship

LSU is just better. Clemson hung for almost 2 quarters, but the 2nd half may get ugly

I can assure you that my RANGERS were not doing this, they sucked last season.😁

Roaring ovation with chants of USA for our President and First Lady. Absolutely loved it. MAGA!!! TRUMP 2020!!!!!

These people are absolutely crazy. Look at her eyes, she looks as crazy eyed as Schiff. There is nothing to worry about, she got as much of a chance as a snowball in hell. Blows my mind how people support these idiots.

No that's right. Yates High is 13th, Yates Communication Magnet School is 22nd. 😎

Exactly, HJ hawks are successful, because Coach Fogo has the gym open 24/7, if not they all have access to the Nome Dome, most schools kids are lucky to have access once a week. Too many distractions these days to not shoot in the front yard. My kid learned her left hand, because she would tell me she is bored in the 4th grade and I would throw her a basketball and make her dribble around the neighborhood with her left hand only! Yesterday, she drove 2 hours to work with trainer for two hours and drive two hours back. Then came home ran to grocery store bought her food for the week and meal prepped for the week. She works out every single day to get stronger. She has come home after a tough physical game, changed clothes and went and worked out. She has lost 15 pounds since last season and looks faster, quicker, is jumping higher than she ever has.

The we better start vacating the titles for all the PED users.

There were quite a few "unrecognized" talented ones that weren't widely recognized by the media, back in the day in Silsbee. Some who excelled in alley pickup games were better than the ones who were star varsity players, but didn't have the support system at home that would allow them the extra time for extra-curricular participation. Others weren't as acclaimed because their exploits came on teams before integration. A few that I remember were "Big" Fisher, "Moochie" White, Cozell Shaw, Marvin Lee,...etc. But the most talented in my opinion was Cozell's baby brother, Lyndell Shaw. Lyndell was widely acclaimed at Waldo Mathews in the old PV league in four sports....football, track, baseball, & basketball. He transferred across town to Silsbee High and was the first black quarterback to play in a game for the Tigers. Because of circumstances he didn't continue very long with the Tigers. But, he was scouted by the Houston Colt 45's baseball team and accepted their offer to try-out as a catcher. Tragically, Lyndell drowned the day before he was to report for spring training. In a short article about his death, one of the baseball team's scout said he had one of "the fastest bats" he'd ever seen. Oh yea...Frank Robinson was an uncle of Lyndell and Cozell.

Piss poor excuse. I didn't have a shooting machine and made more three pointers in the state than any kid that played. Any classification. Larry Bird didn't have a shooting machine either.. in fact.. it was because of him exactly why I was able to shoot so well. He said one time when asked what needed to be done to become a great shooter like him: "Wake up before the sun comes up and shoot game shots until school starts, go in the gym during lunch and shoot game shots while your opponents eat, stay after practice and shoot game shots until it's time to eat/sleep. Repeat everyday. Do that, and you may be able to shoot as well as I can."

Not being taught by who? If a high school basketball player is counting on learning how to shoot during the months of Oct-Feb from their school coach.. then they might as well not even worry about it. Junior high coaches can teach form shooting, ball handling, court awareness, pivoting (IMPORTANT), and other things.. but it can't stop when season is over and honestly it should've began long before junior high sports. I hate youth sports but camps are great. Either way, it is impossible to become a good shooter at basketball practice alone.

Well, I decided a few years ago to not rank individual players. Not worth the grief that comes with it. I will leave those things to the experts (aka Jim Hicks, Doug Jones, etc.). I am asked privately all the time to rank players on this site but I refuse to go down that rabbit hole. I will gladly talk to you privately (face to face) and tell you my thoughts on who is in my top 5. Again, I have no problem ranking teams. Players? Heck no!!

Shouldn't have never been given the opportunity to be the head coach at United in the first place. He didn't have the energy to do the job and that came out of his mouth before he was given the job. But he belonged to THAT church in Beaumont and one thing they do is look out for each other over there. So happy for the kids on my side of the freeway to be moving on from this. Hopefully the AD does what's best for the kids this time around because like i told him in conversation, he failed at that with his last hire. Give our kids the same opportunity as you do the ones on the other side of the freeway...

JOE SIGLER and the rest fall in line