Comments On High School Playoff System

[BLUEDOVE3]

I had the opportunity to see and talk with my old coach (Walter Yates) and his old buddy former NBA'er Luke Jackson. They brought up some things that opened my thought s up on the playoff system. Three to four schools get picked in the 3-a, 4-a, or 5a schools for playoffs. Let me break this down a little deeper. You can be a  3rd or 4th place team and make the playoffs! Is that really a true accomplishment? Maybe in today's standards it is looked at in a favorable way. But there use to be days when you would have 3-5 team ties and there was a playoff to see who really deserved it.
Thanks to true ol'schoolers for keeping it real.

But times have changed and I can accept it but you just can't fool everybody, if you know what I mean ;)

[Dick Vitale]

I think his exact quote was "its like little league these days...everybody gets a trophy!" ;D...classic statement! By the way, thats Dickie V, Sr.!!!! 8)

[WOSgrad]

BLUEDOVE, the inclusion of 3rd and 4th place teams in the playoffs is driven by one figure....15%.

[Dick Vitale]

Honestly I think its ok..It gives some kids a chance to touch the playoffs that probably never would..It also gives the playoffs a true "NCAA March Madness" feel...Kind of like a #16 seed playing a #1 seed in the first round, or a 2 versus a 15...Any given night, you know? I know I HATED that darn 1st round bye after winning the district, before they added a 4th team! That was TORTURE! 8)

[AggiesAreWe]

My thoughts are that I don't have a problem with 3 teams advancing. Four is a bit much. But the real problem is when you have some districts with just 4 or 5 teams and 3 or 4 of those get to advance to the playoffs. Even 21-5A where they have just 6 teams, 4 of those advance.

To me, any scenario that allows a team to qualify for the playoffs with a losing district record (not so much overall record) is a farce!! There will actually be some teams qualifying for the playoffs with only 2-3 district wins out of the 8-12 games they play in district. That is wrong!!


Gone are the days (my era) where only the district champion advanced. :'(

[stevenash]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1176119" timestamp="1328971519"]
I had the opportunity to see and talk with my old coach (Walter Yates) and his old buddy former NBA'er Luke Jackson. They brought up some things that opened my thought s up on the playoff system. Three to four schools get picked in the 3-a, 4-a, or 5a schools for playoffs. Let me break this down a little deeper. You can be a  3rd or 4th place team and make the playoffs! Is that really a true accomplishment? Maybe in today's standards it is looked at in a favorable way. But there use to be days when you would have 3-5 team ties and there was a playoff to see who really deserved it.
Thanks to true ol'schoolers for keeping it real.

But times have changed and I can accept it but you just can't fool everybody, if you know what I mean ;)
[/quote]

Dove- this "everybody is a winner" and "nobod should ever feel left out" are two lefty propositions that have no place in basketball (and a lot of other places too)  At the rate we are going, it wont be long until everyone is in the playoffs because it's the "fair" thing to do.

[WOSgrad]

15%

[bullets13]

i like the top 2 advancing.  beyond that, i don't care.  looking at a district like 21-3A, where Silsbee and HJ have ended up proving to be the best two teams in region three on several occasions over the past few years, it would be a shame to only allow one team from the district advance to the playoffs.  but that being said, there are very few districts in the state where the 3rd place team is talented enough to make a deep run in the playoffs.  and 4 teams is overkill.  maybe not in a 10-team district, but certainly in a 5 or 6 team district. 

[stevenash]

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1176223" timestamp="1328986227"]
15%
[/quote]

Good point= EVERYONE participating at an equal rate.

[BLUEDOVE3]

Definitely need to archive this thread now b4 something goes wrong ;)

[stevenash]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1176267" timestamp="1328988571"]
Definitely need to archive this thread now b4 something goes wrong ;)
[/quote]

No problem- have copied it in its entirety- I do that frequently

[Guest basketball25]

I like 3 teams

[True Blue]

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1176135" timestamp="1328973583"]
My thoughts are that I don't have a problem with 3 teams advancing. Four is a bit much. But the real problem is when you have some districts with just 4 or 5 teams and 3 or 4 of those get to advance to the playoffs. Even 21-5A where they have just 6 teams, 4 of those advance.

To me, any scenario that allows a team to qualify for the playoffs with a losing district record (not so much overall record) is a farce!! There will actually be some teams qualifying for the playoffs with only 2-3 district wins out of the 8-12 games they play in district. That is wrong!!


Gone are the days (my era) where only the district champion advanced. :'(
[/quote] I too came from the winner take all era, and had to play HJ 2 yrs to find out who would make the playoff. Lost both yrs and never got to see the floor in a playoff game. But life goes on. But I have to say 2 teams should go but 4 is way to many.

[WOSgrad]

15% is the percent cut that the UIL gets off of the top for every football and basketball playoff game (although I saw one form that may indicate it is now 16% for basketball) played.

So this is one where it is a little bit of socialism combined with a little bit of government getting its share.

[BIGMO44]

I like 2 teams...I too came from the Dist champ advances and everyone else is done era.  Dont like 3 because of the bye and 4 is too weak.

[east texas bb]

Aggies had the best scenerio.  3 teams at the most, but even more than that it should be based on the number of teams in district.  There are teams that will make the playoffs that have a losing playoff record.
Nash, you are correct too, it is a "leftist:" agenda where everyone can feel good, everyone gets a ribbon, that is how our society is becoming very very fast.
WOS, I agree too, UIL wants more of a cut and when you play more games you will have more money.
But for 3 teams to go to playoffs in a 4-5 team district or 4 teams in a 5-6 team district is wrong.

[Honest Abe]

One team is NOT enough, no doubt about it. I remember Nederland losing to Bmt French 15-14 (something like that) when only one team made the playoffs, and French tied for the State Title (in FB), and Ned sat at home.

Four is waayy too many, and should not be allowed in a 6 team District, EVER! When has a 4th place team ever won more than one game on the playoffs?

I can live with 3 teams (especially in an 8 team district), bc a team may be dealing with an injury. the kid comes back mid season, and the team is drastically better. Then they have an opportunity to make something happen in the playoffs.

I've seen some 3rd pl teams (Ozen FB this yr) make deep runs. Haven't seen that happen (yet) in basketball. Maybe someone knows of a 3rd pl team making deep bball runs?

[FanintheStands]

[quote name="bullets13" post="1176227" timestamp="1328986528"]
i like the top 2 advancing.  beyond that, i don't care.  looking at a district like 21-3A, where Silsbee and HJ have ended up proving to be the best two teams in region three on several occasions over the past few years, it would be a shame to only allow one team from the district advance to the playoffs.  but that being said, there are very few districts in the state where the 3rd place team is talented enough to make a deep run in the playoffs.  and 4 teams is overkill.  maybe not in a 10-team district, but certainly in a 5 or 6 team district.
[/quote]But what about back in 2007 when there were 3 teams in 21-3A that were in the top 10 in the state.  I think there is the case for 3 teams in the play-offs.  Especially when you consider that some teams are late bloomers and don't peak until the latter half of district play.

[Sportsman5]

How about you have to have a .500 winning percentage to atleast make playoffs, under .500 should be a no no!!

[True Blue]

[quote name="Sportsman5" post="1176544" timestamp="1329060954"]
How about you have to have a .500 winning percentage to atleast make playoffs, under .500 should be a no no!!
[/quote] That would not work, You would have more teams playing ,like Vidor, Playing a bunch of 1a and private schools early in the yr, to pad there record..

[AggiesAreWe]

[quote name="True Blue" post="1176560" timestamp="1329064799"]
[quote author=Sportsman5 link=topic=95837.msg1176544#msg1176544 date=1329060954]
How about you have to have a .500 winning percentage to atleast make playoffs, under .500 should be a no no!!
[/quote] That would not work, You would have more teams playing ,like Vidor, Playing a bunch of 1a and private schools early in the yr, to pad there record..
[/quote]

He is talking about district records being .500 or better, not overall records.

[FanintheStands]

[quote name="True Blue" post="1176560" timestamp="1329064799"]
[quote author=Sportsman5 link=topic=95837.msg1176544#msg1176544 date=1329060954]
How about you have to have a .500 winning percentage to atleast make playoffs, under .500 should be a no no!!
[/quote] That would not work, You would have more teams playing ,like Vidor, Playing a bunch of 1a and private schools early in the yr, to pad there record..
[/quote]No, that would NEVER happen.... oh, never mind.

[Sportsman5]

It would work, teams that don't have .500 record in district shouldnt make playoffs plain and simple!!

[bmrm]

[quote name="stevenash" post="1176221" timestamp="1328986049"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95837.msg1176119#msg1176119 date=1328971519]
I had the opportunity to see and talk with my old coach (Walter Yates) and his old buddy former NBA'er Luke Jackson. They brought up some things that opened my thought s up on the playoff system. Three to four schools get picked in the 3-a, 4-a, or 5a schools for playoffs. Let me break this down a little deeper. You can be a  3rd or 4th place team and make the playoffs! Is that really a true accomplishment? Maybe in today's standards it is looked at in a favorable way. But there use to be days when you would have 3-5 team ties and there was a playoff to see who really deserved it.
Thanks to true ol'schoolers for keeping it real.

But times have changed and I can accept it but you just can't fool everybody, if you know what I mean ;)
[/quote]

Dove- this "everybody is a winner" and "nobod should ever feel left out" are two lefty propositions that have no place in basketball (and a lot of other places too)  At the rate we are going, it wont be long until everyone is in the playoffs because it's the "fair" thing to do.
[/quote]

"Change we can believe in!"  Oh wait, that phrase has already been utilized - unsuccessfully mind you.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="bmrm" post="1176799" timestamp="1329101401"]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95837.msg1176221#msg1176221 date=1328986049]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95837.msg1176119#msg1176119 date=1328971519]
I had the opportunity to see and talk with my old coach (Walter Yates) and his old buddy former NBA'er Luke Jackson. They brought up some things that opened my thought s up on the playoff system. Three to four schools get picked in the 3-a, 4-a, or 5a schools for playoffs. Let me break this down a little deeper. You can be a  3rd or 4th place team and make the playoffs! Is that really a true accomplishment? Maybe in today's standards it is looked at in a favorable way. But there use to be days when you would have 3-5 team ties and there was a playoff to see who really deserved it.
Thanks to true ol'schoolers for keeping it real.

But times have changed and I can accept it but you just can't fool everybody, if you know what I mean ;)
[/quote]

Dove- this "everybody is a winner" and "nobod should ever feel left out" are two lefty propositions that have no place in basketball (and a lot of other places too)  At the rate we are going, it wont be long until everyone is in the playoffs because it's the "fair" thing to do.
[/quote]

"Change we can believe in!"  Oh wait, that phrase has already been utilized - unsuccessfully mind you.
[/quote]
Unsuccessful only in YOUR mind...wrong forum for that discussion.