thetragichippy

[quote name="TITANS2011" post="1166207" timestamp="1327589150"] [quote author=jrmdvs536 link=topic=94298.msg1165852#msg1165852 date=1327518260] [quote author=TITANS2011 link=topic=94298.msg1165755#msg1165755 date=1327506978] [quote author=thetragichippy link=topic=94298.msg1164794#msg1164794 date=1327356543] [color=red]They went from not knowing anything to knowing a lot.........[/color][/quote] Its not about knowing anything to knowing a lot..............all this happend before STJFL TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES TO LET PA GO. Its not about know it all...its about them giving a reason to why! Once it was said that STJFL WANTED CERTAIN PEOPLE OUT, there was no reason to that either......STOP READING TO HARD AT WHAT IS BEING TYPED! [/quote] Its all about what you know because thats how all this mess got started when you said nobody told you nothing. Then your president got on here and said he didnt know nothing either. I put what I had heard about PA board members and all the sudden you know everything the is to know about the situation with 2 people being told to leave.  You the one that said it so nobody reading too deep!. STJFL has that right to do what they want because your in they world and you was new. Yall broke they rules then blame them for not reading it to you. The rules is right there for the world to see I just went and looked at it! Its not STJFL fault you didnt go read the rules before you got started. They dont owe you nothing.... when they say get rid of so and so or yall be gone you got a choice to do what they say or find a new yard to play at. Yall made a choice and now yall blame everybody else and make it about everything but what it is.... All about race or somebody afraid of your talent when yall know that not true. Just because you dont agree with STJFL dont make you a victim. [color=red]If you dont like it go cry with them kids you sent home after they did a week of practice[/color] because I KNOW they didnt deserve what they got! Then you come on here and say its all about the kids. Last thing I got is yall come on here saying people dont need to hide behind usernames then you come on here and call people out by they real name because you think they owe you something.... you a class act! If this the way yall acted all year its no wonder you gone. [/quote] Your right about them "NOT OWING US NOTHING!" Its about the right things to do! I guess your word is better than everyone elses. I guess your on the board to know that KIDS WERE SENT HOME AFTER A WEEK OF PRACTICE...........casue I'm sure that wasn't made public or posted on any website! Just like how PA was punished by NOT BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAYOFFS and a Nederland Parent stated that our games don't matter AT A GAME. I guess that punishment was posted on a website too! OPEN INFORMATION! Yeah right! Its all about STJFL didn't want PA in their league in the 1st place! The had not reason to not let us in and any reason to put us out! ALL THIS WAs DONE SO THAT STJFL CAN SAY....WE GAVE THEM A CHANCE! I AM JUST GOING TO BE HONEST....PA DIDN'T DESERVE TO GET PUT OUT....[b][color=red]AND FOR THIS I HOPE STJFL LOSES EVERYTHING THEY HAVE EVER ACCOMPLISHED!!!!!!!!!![/color][/b]SORRY FOR THE KIDS...MAYBE THEY CAN GO TO A BETTER LEAGUE WHICH TEACHES THEM MORE ABOUT WHATS RIGHT AND FAIR, THAN WHATS EASY TO DO!!!!!!!! [/quote] You keep mentioning it's all about the kids.  Well, if it was all about the kids, why did the board members and coaches from the P.A. league make mistakes? You call them mistakes, but they were really rules that were broken. All of the below statements were made from the post of Titans2011: 1.  "Yes PA made mistakes at the beginning during registration and cut off dates". [color=blue](mistakes = broken rules) [/color] 2.  "They want to blame PA and not take responsibility by showing or explaining to a 1ST TIME TEAM the procedures".  [color=blue](who's not taking responsibility of their own actions???.......the rules are in black and white and written in easy to read language......)[/color] 3.  "Some of the PA board didnt like the punishment they got and caused a lot of problems all year, BUT NOT ONCE WERE THOSE PROBLEMS BROUGHT UP AT A BOARD MEETING". [color=blue](you don't deny your board members caused problems all year, but you blame the STJFL for not bringing it up at a board meeting?........really?  Why not blame the folks that were causing the problems?)[/color] 4.  "STJFL told the president that 2 CERTAIN members had to leave the ENTIRE ORGANIZATION in order to stay. BUT ONCE AGAIN IF THOSE 2 MEMBERS WERE SO BAD THEY COULDN'T FIND REASONS TO KICK THEM OUT DURING THE ENTIRE SEASON!" [color=blue](The STJFL by your own statement told 2 members to leave. Again, your organization is NOT following directions. If you wanted to stay in the league, just follow the directions you are given.[/color] 5.  "I guess your on the board to know that KIDS WERE SENT HOME AFTER A WEEK OF PRACTICE" [color=blue](no matter how he found out, the truth is it happened......is it all about the kids EXCEPT for those kids? )[/color] 6.  "The had not reason to not let us in and any reason to put us out!" [color=blue](your organization broke the rules, they had every reason to do what they did.)[/color] So, instead of calling out STJFL board members by name, why don't you reflect on the mistakes your organization made to make sure that does not happen in the next league your team gets involved in. Every league is going to have rules and expect them to be followed. If you think you can go to a different league and not follow their rules, your going to be disappointed again.......

We are now going back 7-12 years ago??  I thought this thread was started by Bigtitan to try and figure out why P.A. was voted out?

[quote name="PN-G bamakid" post="1165008" timestamp="1327420116"] [quote author=bigtexn link=topic=93983.msg1164568#msg1164568 date=1327337789] Xaphoon, you don't even need to have played in high school.  basically, anyone who graduated from the school is eligible to play.  But, to keep it a good game, they would like you to at least play something you played in high school.  I mean, they don't exactly want 10 guys who played line to say they want to play quarterback :-* Check out the new link at www.AlumniMidCountyMadness.com [/quote] So, if that's the case, we could just go find all the players that graduated last year and put them on the field against the old guys? ;D [/quote] lol  8)

[quote name="td" post="1165025" timestamp="1327421820"] [quote author=elhector1 link=topic=94298.msg1161376#msg1161376 date=1326807515] big dog, I can understand that this needs to be closely watched, or else it can turn ugly.  Having said that, it is a fine line that you walk, between responsible monitoring and censorship.  STJFL made a concious decision to exclude a whole area from competition, and they never gave the participaing parents a reason why.  When you have nothing else to go on, you speculate and assume...it's human nature... Now, I will offer a correction.  What happened to me was as a flag coach for the Orange Cobras organization, it happened a few years back, but it DID NOT happen at an STJFL event.  Big Titan's did.  My point was that racism is alive and well, no matter what we may work toward...there will always be individuals that behave hat way.  Is the STJFL racist?  I don't beleive it is.  What has happened is that they are offering no reasons as to their actions.  That is troublesome, and something that might end up in a bigger court of public opinion where they will not have the luxury of having a thread locked to help them remain silent. [/quote] That sure sounds like a bunch of opinions for only hearing one side of the story! I'm not saying it's right or it's wrong. I'm just saying there are two sides to every story. [/quote] TD, what I find strange is it went from "we have no clue" to knowing about specific issues that were not brought up before.

They went from not knowing anything to knowing a lot.........

Look at the TEA rating..... He maintained an AA rating.....a C average...... He did not do anything "special" in education...... BUT.....a killer Football Stadium....... and was overcharged an ADMITTED 3.4 million dollars....and to date has not asked for it back :o

[quote name="One4All" post="1164376" timestamp="1327283659"] I never asked anyone to belive me or someone else . This hole site is mostly a personal belive on any given forum ........ I just stated if the truth comes out about this most to all people would be SURPRISED Or even raise an eyebrow.....that's it    either way [/quote] fair enough

[quote name="One4All" post="1164368" timestamp="1327281912"] [quote author=jrmdvs536 link=topic=94298.msg1164358#msg1164358 date=1327280460] I talked to somebody close to STJFL that said it's not about the kids at all but about people on the PA board that was the problem. It started out when STJFL found out PA cut signups off 3 months early and then the jr team got caught cutting a bunch of kids from the team after they had already been at practice for a week. Some of the PA board didnt like the punishment they got and caused a lot of problems all year. STJFL told PA those guys couldnt be board members anymore but PA wouldnt let them go because they were relatives of the guy that gives PA all their money. Nobody wanted to vote PA kids out but they didnt want the problems anymore either and in they mind PA put a few adults before the kids. The PA president was told why it happened and he was supposed to get back with the STJFL to work something out but they never heard from him. He said they wanted to talk about it but was told they better off not saying anything about details because they dont have an ok from PA to do it. I asked why those other towns left too then but that was already going to happen anyway because those little teams wanted to be on they own away from big towns. [/quote] I love this site because anyone can post what they have heard or been told ,...and its 97% a joke, far from whatever really happen !! If the TRUTH was to really be told or come out about this , not most but All people would be surprised or even raise an eyebrow..... [/quote] why should we believe you over him?

[quote name="BigTitan" post="1164321" timestamp="1327274659"] [quote author=thetragichippy link=topic=94298.msg1164296#msg1164296 date=1327273029] I find it funny that P.A.(actually 2 posters from P.A.) lump all the cities together and accuse us of racism, being weak, etc....but are complaining that we should not lump the entire P.A. organization as cheaters because of one team or one coach. That my friends is double standards. [/quote] First of all, the team that was accused of cheating did nothing of the sort.  We have to get that str8.  So being labeled that doesn't matter because most of us know what happened.  If we stacked a team, do you think those kids would have lost a game.  Let's use some common sense.  SOME of the people from these other cities have shown their prejudice towards some of us.  That sir is a fact.  I did not say that the orgainization was racist.  I wanted to know why my league was kicked out.  There are other teams that have amazing talent, black players, and win (WOS).  So us being new in the league, amazing talent, and being black : one or two of those were a factor.  I could care less who lives in a fantasy land and believes that people don't get treated differently because of the color of their skin.  I know all too well that if this was a caucasian team,  a decision this blatant, cruel, and swift would not have been made.  Sometimes we have to stop the politics and be real.  I've given examples of the ignorance that was shown by KIDS of an opposing team . You're telling me that it came from their little innocent minds or the minds of adults that arent prejudice???? Mind you, I said some, not ALL.  But SOME is enough to tarnish the image of the entire league.  Honesty is the best policy no matter who's feelings get hurt. [/quote] Since we don't know why you were voted out, everything above is speculation. You have no facts, just ideas and gut feelings. Sorry this happened to you, but if it was all about black and talent, why is WOS still around?  Why does Lumberton, Port Neches and WOS coaches go meet for beers every year at BWW's? I'm sure there is a reason (a good one or not), but your not selling me it's racist..........

I find it funny that P.A.(actually 2 posters from P.A.) lump all the cities together and accuse us of racism, being weak, etc....but are complaining that we should not lump the entire P.A. organization as cheaters because of one team or one coach. That my friends is double standards.

[quote name="elhector1" post="1163360" timestamp="1327091023"] [quote author=Tebowing link=topic=58749.msg1163304#msg1163304 date=1327085818] [quote author=AllSportsMom link=topic=58749.msg635348#msg635348 date=1251871819] The STJFL Inc. is a non-profit youth based organization made up of communities both large and small from all over Southeast Texas. [b]The primary goal of the STJFL is to provide all children of Southeast Texas an opportunity to participate in the Great American sport of Youth Football and Cheer.[/b] The STJFL emphasizes the value of discipline, team play, individual growth, self-confidence, and a commitment to learning. Come join or visit the STJFL for the experience of a lifetime. [b]If the primary goal is to provide all children of SETx an opportunity to participate then why were children denied the opportunity to participate?[/b] [/quote]I find this topic quite interesting!! [/quote] I notice that most folks have chosen not to participate in the discussion on the other thread...telling... [/quote] I think the reason why most are not participating is we are only hearing one side.  There are ALWAYS two sides to a story, and a reasonable person would hear both sides before stating an opinion........

From the Website: ARTICLE III: MEMBERSHIP SECTION 1. Membership of this organization shall consist of any parent or guardian of a child who participates in the STJFL or any adult volunteer duly appointed by the associate organizations. SECTION 2. In order for an association to be accepted as a member of STJFL it must have the majority vote of the current STJFL Board of Directors and must have a duly appointed representative to sit as its representative on the STJFL Board. SECTION 3. The STJFL Board reserves the right to refuse membership to any individual or association that has been found to have in the past or present engaged in any form of actions deemed detrimental to the successful operation of the STJFL. SECTION 4.  Once an association has been granted a charter into the STJFL by the board it must operate according to the guidelines in the charter.  For a charter to be amended, the association must petition the STJFL board for a change.  The STJFL board must approve all amendments. SECTION 5. In order for an association to be accepted into STJFL, it must meet the prerequisites of a viable organization by having a board of directors, a set of by-laws established within the boundaries of the STJFL By-Laws and appropriate monetary funding to sustain itself. The STJFL Board will approve these pre-requisites upon receiving a petition of acceptance from the association. SECTION 6. In order for an association to enter and participate into the STJFL, it must have at least (1) one team in 2 (two) different STJFL divisions of competition. SECTION 7. New associations in their first year shall maintain a non-voting board position.  After January 1st of the first season they will gain voting privilege. SECTION 8. The STJFL will not accept any proposals or applications for acceptance in to the STJFL after the regularly scheduled meeting for the Board of Directors in March of the current year.

Why don't you call them instead of hoping they read this forum? [Hidden Content]

Questions: 1.  The vote to take out P.A. had to happen at a board meeting.  The board meetings are public, and all cities are(should) be represented.......Where was P.A.'s representative? 2.  If competition or being "black" was a reason for being voted out, WOS should have gone first, better record and majority black. Why are they still in? 3.  Has anyone tried to contact the board members of the stjfl? IF you go to the website and click "contact us", there is phone numbers of the board members.  I would try this first instead of starting all these RUMORS about the race card and Port Arthur being too much competition. I'll even make it simple and provide the link: [Hidden Content]

[quote name="tvc184" post="1158881" timestamp="1326415975"] [quote author=thetragichippy link=topic=90389.msg1158721#msg1158721 date=1326400824] Me either...... We are actually setting the camera up at different places looking for a "black panther" and /or "black bears" that may or may not be in the area.  He is going to start baiting this weekend [/quote] You should have tried Lumberton city hall. [/quote] ;D 8)

[quote name="bullets13" post="1158778" timestamp="1326405203"] i just merged them all.  there were like 6 different ones made in the last two days.  i merged one i made as well.  i also changed the title of the thread to the Tim Tebow thread, instead of leaving it as "Tim Tebow is Useless" [/quote] 8)

It was bullets..... see, he hates Tebow and couldn't stand so many topics where about him  8) ;D

Tebow post........an article from ESPN I believe

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Me either...... We are actually setting the camera up at different places looking for a "black panther" and /or "black bears" that may or may not be in the area.  He is going to start baiting this weekend

My buddy got a game camera for Christmas and set this up last night and got this.  He lives in the city limits of Lumberton on Village Creek.... [URL=[Hidden Content]]

I bet if they were to hold the coaching staff responsible for their players, you would see a lot better judgement calls

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1151534" timestamp="1325104526"] [quote author=58SHW link=topic=93336.msg1151530#msg1151530 date=1325104264] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=93336.msg1151527#msg1151527 date=1325103801] [quote author=AggiesWeAreNot link=topic=93336.msg1151508#msg1151508 date=1325102717] [quote author=vp32 link=topic=93336.msg1149506#msg1149506 date=1324480984] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=93336.msg1149495#msg1149495 date=1324480178] [quote author=vp32 link=topic=93336.msg1149486#msg1149486 date=1324479048] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=93336.msg1149484#msg1149484 date=1324478944] [quote author=vp32 link=topic=93336.msg1149477#msg1149477 date=1324478558] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=93336.msg1149471#msg1149471 date=1324478214] I'm willing to bet because the media and your friends, the Dr. Thomas/BISD haters made you believe (influenced) what the truth is before even knowing the other side of the story, or even thinking hard enough to think that there may be another story to it. [/quote] Says the guy from Central.  ::) [/quote]And what does THAT mean?  If it is what I think it is, trust me, Bud, you don't want to go there at all.  So, let's hear it.  What does me being from Central have to do with it?  Sounds like you're getting low on amo if you are resorting to this.  8) [/quote] Lol i could go all day soulja. You know this. And I would love to know what you think it is. Why don't you let everyone know what you think it is. [/quote]Let's see.  You don't take my opinion or comment serious as shown by the rolling eyes.  You then you bring mention that I'm from Central.  To me, that would mean that you are saying that I'm not compentent enought to get any credibility.  Also, it may mean that since I'm a Central guy, us (Central people) as a whole as far as intellect or just flat out common sense are lacking and that you, a Vidorian, is in a great position to pass judgement on a 'Central guy'.  Now, I may be off base here, but Is THIS accurate?  If not, I would like to hear YOUR explaination as I origiinally asked. [/quote] Wow. Reading too much into things don't ya think? I was simply saying that you were from Central and not West Brook so i think Sgt. Rey would know a lil bit more about WB than you. And i did not "pass judgement" on a "central guy". Your the one judging me before you know what i'm even saying. [/quote] vp - you don't understand Beaumont...especially Beaumont blacks.  They have brought racism to the forefront over the last 20+ years.  All they see is color; black and not black, period.  They only care about the black community...well at least the blacks that vote only care about the black community.  They have a 10 ton chip on their should and it is sad.  They are given preferential treatment at every turn yet it still isn't good enough.  You have the school board President going off about how terribly he was treated as a child 50 years ago.  You have black 'leaders' calling white people "the enemy".  Yet, when any white person disagrees with a black in Beaumont he is immediately labeled a racist.  West Brook used to be known as the 'white school'.  For some reason, all of the blacks don't want there to be a 'white school' so they demand that they be allowed to transfer to West Brook.  Now, there are no 'white schools' in Beaumont even though West Brook is somewhat perceived that way since it is about 25 -30% white...basically the only public high school in Beaumont that a white student attends.  Why does that matter?  Because, it goes back to the administrations and the district 'leaders'.  They don't want the 'white school' to be successful in athletics.  They want Central and Ozen to be successful.  Personally, I wanted each high school to have their own football stadium for several reasons.  But, the black "leaders' didn't want that.  As for the facility at West Brook that wasn't completed.  That too goes back to the racist school board.  They didn't want to give the job to a white contractor.  They didn't follow the bid policy and gave it to a black contractor instead.  And the trustees wouldn't back down.  Screw the kids, screw West Brook, screw non blacks.  As for why Stump left.  I seriously doubt it was because of the fieldhouse but it may have played a role.  But it is more likely to do with the overall opportunity vs West Brook.  You've got West Brook in Beaumont with BISD in complete and total disarray.  You've got black leaders actively and overtly promoting racism.  And you've got a continued mass exodus of non-blacks out of Beaumont.  Plus, he will make more money at Atascocita, have more athletes, and have a district that is probably growing and not dying. I'm pretty sure his leaving will be viewed along racial lines as well.  The blacks will say good riddance and the non-blacks will be disappointed.  He did a great job at West Brook, just look at his record.  I hate to see him go but he'd be crazy not to. Sorry to get on a political tirade but it is all connected and it is all tied to Thomas, Reece, etc. [/quote]Yes, you can take that miserable masquerade to the locker room or the political forum as this is reserved for FOOTBALL. [/quote] I think his point is....that "miserable masquerade" is what is affecting FOOTBALL in BISD....so wouldn't it be relevant in THIS case? [/quote]So, you mean to tell me that[b] racism [/b] effects football in Beaumont?  I'm sorry, I missed that one. [/quote] off topic  8)

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1151527" timestamp="1325103801"] [quote author=AggiesWeAreNot link=topic=93336.msg1151508#msg1151508 date=1325102717] [quote author=vp32 link=topic=93336.msg1149506#msg1149506 date=1324480984] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=93336.msg1149495#msg1149495 date=1324480178] [quote author=vp32 link=topic=93336.msg1149486#msg1149486 date=1324479048] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=93336.msg1149484#msg1149484 date=1324478944] [quote author=vp32 link=topic=93336.msg1149477#msg1149477 date=1324478558] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=93336.msg1149471#msg1149471 date=1324478214] I'm willing to bet because the media and your friends, the Dr. Thomas/BISD haters made you believe (influenced) what the truth is before even knowing the other side of the story, or even thinking hard enough to think that there may be another story to it. [/quote] Says the guy from Central.  ::) [/quote]And what does THAT mean?  If it is what I think it is, trust me, Bud, you don't want to go there at all.  So, let's hear it.  What does me being from Central have to do with it?  Sounds like you're getting low on amo if you are resorting to this.  8) [/quote] Lol i could go all day soulja. You know this. And I would love to know what you think it is. Why don't you let everyone know what you think it is. [/quote]Let's see.  You don't take my opinion or comment serious as shown by the rolling eyes.  You then you bring mention that I'm from Central.  To me, that would mean that you are saying that I'm not compentent enought to get any credibility.  Also, it may mean that since I'm a Central guy, us (Central people) as a whole as far as intellect or just flat out common sense are lacking and that you, a Vidorian, is in a great position to pass judgement on a 'Central guy'.  Now, I may be off base here, but Is THIS accurate?  If not, I would like to hear YOUR explaination as I origiinally asked. [/quote] Wow. Reading too much into things don't ya think? I was simply saying that you were from Central and not West Brook so i think Sgt. Rey would know a lil bit more about WB than you. And i did not "pass judgement" on a "central guy". Your the one judging me before you know what i'm even saying. [/quote] vp - you don't understand Beaumont...especially Beaumont blacks.  They have brought racism to the forefront over the last 20+ years.  All they see is color; black and not black, period.  They only care about the black community...well at least the blacks that vote only care about the black community.  They have a 10 ton chip on their should and it is sad.  They are given preferential treatment at every turn yet it still isn't good enough.  You have the school board President going off about how terribly he was treated as a child 50 years ago.  You have black 'leaders' calling white people "the enemy".  Yet, when any white person disagrees with a black in Beaumont he is immediately labeled a racist.  West Brook used to be known as the 'white school'.  For some reason, all of the blacks don't want there to be a 'white school' so they demand that they be allowed to transfer to West Brook.  Now, there are no 'white schools' in Beaumont even though West Brook is somewhat perceived that way since it is about 25 -30% white...basically the only public high school in Beaumont that a white student attends.  Why does that matter?  Because, it goes back to the administrations and the district 'leaders'.  They don't want the 'white school' to be successful in athletics.  They want Central and Ozen to be successful.  Personally, I wanted each high school to have their own football stadium for several reasons.  But, the black "leaders' didn't want that.  As for the facility at West Brook that wasn't completed.  That too goes back to the racist school board.  They didn't want to give the job to a white contractor.  They didn't follow the bid policy and gave it to a black contractor instead.  And the trustees wouldn't back down.  Screw the kids, screw West Brook, screw non blacks.  As for why Stump left.  I seriously doubt it was because of the fieldhouse but it may have played a role.  But it is more likely to do with the overall opportunity vs West Brook.  You've got West Brook in Beaumont with BISD in complete and total disarray.  You've got black leaders actively and overtly promoting racism.  And you've got a continued mass exodus of non-blacks out of Beaumont.  Plus, he will make more money at Atascocita, have more athletes, and have a district that is probably growing and not dying. I'm pretty sure his leaving will be viewed along racial lines as well.  The blacks will say good riddance and the non-blacks will be disappointed.  He did a great job at West Brook, just look at his record.  I hate to see him go but he'd be crazy not to. Sorry to get on a political tirade but it is all connected and it is all tied to Thomas, Reece, etc. [/quote]Yes, you can take that miserable masquerade to the locker room or the political forum as this is reserved for FOOTBALL. [/quote] I for one do not think it is a "miserable masquerade"....I don't agree with all of it, but it does bring up some points.... I noticed several off topic post on this thread, why you picking on just this one? and this would be welcomed in the locker room!

[quote name="19bulldog88" post="1151255" timestamp="1325041705"] My son got a gamo pellet gun for christmas, he loves it and seems to be hitting the target regularly. [/quote] I got my son a Gamo with a scope(and lazer) last year and it's a one pump, shoots 1300 FPS with special pellet or around 1150 with regular.....It's louder than my friends 22 rifle....and my 10 yo gave my friend a shooting lesson at 30 yards.....lol....a very good gun.....I believe I paid around $200ish....