tvc184

8:25 in 3, Nederland 27-16

Yes.
If the reporting officer lied, it is him and not the officer that made a reasonable detention based on information given.
 The main point is, if a reasonable officer would say… this doesn’t sound right…. he is still obligated to draw a reasonable conclusion and not really on information that he should know is wrong. 

78 yard touchdown run by Nederland 

Yep

Yep

It is the Good Faith Exception.
It works several ways but it is all linked together under the same rationale. One deals with the liability of an officer (civil and criminal) and the other is evidence gathered.
Let’s say that an officer detains a person in Beaumont such as on a traffic stop. A warrant is found on the driver issued out of Houston and it is confirmed by the dispatcher. Obviously the officer in Beaumont can’t tell the guy with the warrant, “I need to drive to Houston to review the warrant and discuss the case with the officer and I’ll be back in about six hours so wait for me”.
 Heck, what if it was from another state? Wait here, I’ll be back in three days…..
The officer serving the warrant in Beaumont is acting under good faith that the originating officer and the judge signing the warrant did their jobs correctly. If the officer in Houston or in another state made a mistake, is it the fault of the officer for making the arrest Beaumont? No. He acted in the good faith that the warrant was valid. If the warrant is later found to not have sufficient probable cause or is faulty in some other manner, it is not the fault of the officer in Beaumont.
If it is not a warrant, the same doctrine applies. If Beaumont PD has a robbery and notifies area agencies of the vehicle and suspect description, can an officer from another agency stop a suspect vehicle? A couple have answered it correctly, yes. But only IF…….
The vehicle or person detained has to reasonably match the information given by the originating agency. If BPD said two White males were seen in a small dark blue vehicle and another agency stops a pickup of any color with Black males…. Uhhhh, no.
By the same reasoning, if BPD puts out information that the suspect vehicle left Beaumont approximately two minutes ago, at 12:05 AM and at 12:09 AM an officer around Orange stops a vehicle that does actually match the description, could the suspect vehicle have driven from Beaumont to Orange in 4 minutes? Again the answer is no. So the officer relying on information from another agency still is required to make a reasonable decision based on the information given. Receiving information from another officer is not carte blanche to start stopping everyone.
Then the issue is, what about evidence found after a good faith detention, arrest or search?
In the scenario I gave earlier, a BPD officer arrests a guy from Houston on a warrant. After what appears to be a lawful arrest, cocaine is found in the man’s pocket. Is it still admissible as evidence? The BPD officer made a lawful traffic stop (for example speeding) and made an arrest on what appeared to be a lawful warrant but it was later on appeal, found to be faulty. The officer in Beaumont clearly didn’t violate the person’s rights and didn’t violate the Fourth Amendment for making an unreasonable search because he had probable cause to believe that he was acting correctly. Is the evidence still valid to be used in court?
I am not sure. From the cases I have seen, it appears as though the US Supreme Court says that it’s okay but the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals says it’s not okay. That would make it not okay if either court found it unlawful.
So that is a Good Faith Exception. An officer is allowed to rely on what he believes to be valid information from another officer or from a warrant. That officer, however, still has to rely on a reasonable belief which is called “objective reasonableness”  by the Supreme Court (the same standard for use of force). Objective reasonableness is defined by the Supreme Court  as what a reasonable officer would believe when facing the same circumstances.
 

It is the Good Faith Exception.
It works several ways but it is all linked together under the same rationale. One deals with the liability of an officer (civil and criminal) and the other is evidence gathered.
Let’s say that an officer detains a person in Beaumont such as on a traffic stop. A warrant is found on the driver issued out of Houston and it is confirmed by the dispatcher. Obviously the officer in Beaumont can’t tell the guy with the warrant, “I need to drive to Houston to review the warrant and discuss the case with the officer and I’ll be back in about six hours so wait for me”.
 Heck, what if it was from another state? Wait here, I’ll be back in three days…..
The officer serving the warrant in Beaumont is acting under good faith that the originating officer and the judge signing the warrant did their jobs correctly. If the officer in Houston or in another state made a mistake, is it the fault of the officer for making the arrest Beaumont? No. He acted in the good faith that the warrant was valid. If the warrant is later found to not have sufficient probable cause or is faulty in some other manner, it is not the fault of the officer in Beaumont.
If it is not a warrant, the same doctrine applies. If Beaumont PD has a robbery and notifies area agencies of the vehicle and suspect description, can an officer from another agency stop a suspect vehicle? A couple have answered it correctly, yes. But only IF…….
The vehicle or person detained has to reasonably match the information given by the originating agency. If BPD said two White males were seen in a small dark blue vehicle and another agency stops a pickup of any color with Black males…. Uhhhh, no.
By the same reasoning, if BPD puts out information that the suspect vehicle left Beaumont approximately two minutes ago, at 12:05 AM and at 12:09 AM an officer around Orange stops a vehicle that does actually match the description, could the suspect vehicle have driven from Beaumont to Orange in 4 minutes? Again the answer is no. So the officer relying on information from another agency still is required to make a reasonable decision based on the information given. Receiving information from another officer is not carte blanche to start stopping everyone.
Then the issue is, what about evidence found after a good faith detention, arrest or search?
In the scenario I gave earlier, a BPD officer arrests a guy from Houston on a warrant. After what appears to be a lawful arrest, cocaine is found in the man’s pocket. Is it still admissible as evidence? The BPD officer made a lawful traffic stop (for example speeding) and made an arrest on what appeared to be a lawful warrant but it was later on appeal, found to be faulty. The officer in Beaumont clearly didn’t violate the person’s rights and didn’t violate the Fourth Amendment for making an unreasonable search because he had probable cause to believe that he was acting correctly. Is the evidence still valid to be used in court?
I am not sure. From the cases I have seen, it appears as though the US Supreme Court says that it’s okay but the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals says it’s not okay. That would make it not okay if either court found it unlawful.
So that is a Good Faith Exception. An officer is allowed to rely on what he believes to be valid information from another officer or from a warrant. That officer, however, still has to rely on a reasonable belief which is called “objective reasonableness”  by the Supreme Court (the same standard for use of force). Objective reasonableness is defined by the Supreme Court  as what a reasonable officer would believe when facing the same circumstances.
 

Hmmmmmm.......
You can only have so many broadcast booths. Normally a press box has two. I would think one would go to KLVI (been doing Nederland games for decades) and the other would go to the visitor team if they have a broadcast entity. Also, since Texan Live is doing the game, I have to think that TL paid Nederland ISD for the streaming rights. With those rights comes with exclusive video broadcast rights.
I'm not sure this is the case, but I am very familiar with press box space and how it is sometimes very hard to come by.
I'll be interested to see how many Nederland games TL does this season.

Not new that changed last year to provide more season tickets to Nederland fans

But other than that what do you have? 

But other than that what do you have? 

Not if you include the rest of the sentence. “it will slowly become normalized and desensitized just like” changes the meaning  
While technically anything can go either way, 5GB’s statement was about abhorrent behavior being normalized to the point and desensitizing people so people ignore it rather than argue.
To say, those that think differently are extremist, would certainly work both ways. That isn’t what was said though. 
 What from the conservative perspective is abhorrent behavior that is trying to desensitize people? Voter ID? Free enterprise?  Not burning cities because you don’t agree? Lower taxes?
In fact most conservative issues today would be considered normal 40 years ago by both sides of the aisle. 

Point taken.  My limit is as long as it doesn’t hurt somebody else.  Can someone teaching completely nude hurt someone?  Undoubtedly.  Does a man fully clothed in a dress teaching hurt someone?  Probably not, but I don’t think that’s a discussion someone should be able to force on parents.  It’s obviously a difficult subject 

Fixed it for you….  

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He has a kid that’s a freshman, and created an account to make that post.  I guess his kid wasn’t one of the 6 and he’s a little salty…. 

Not according to his page….  

Is the sinking building info from Kline? Hate to say it but I read his Blog weekly. Not only does he stretch the truth but he's way off the mark....often.

WO-S game will determine the outcome of one game....

This was simply my observation of the scrimmage.  A few posters indicated that they had a good scrimmage and I agree that they have improved a little from last year, but IMO they have a long way to go in order to win this season.
The realistic comment was for the posters that think I am putting players down. I have mentioned where their main weaknesses are, but have said nothing about any players. I am stating that they don’t have much talent this year.  I know that Nederland supporters don’t like this, but IMO this is a fact
I applaud the Bulldog supporters wanting the team to do well. I want them to do well also, however I am going to be realistic in my observation of the season outcome for the Dogs

Man goes to the doctor….
Man: Doc, my butt hurts.
Doctor: Where exactly is it hurting?
Man: Right at the entrance.
Doctor: Well, as long as we keep referring to it as the entrance, it’s going to keep hurting.
 

There are so many jokes on here, so I don’t know if I brought this one up before but anyway….
An old woman went to see her doctor. When he asked her what was wrong, she said I have this bad problem.
I am passing gas all the time. Like sitting in the waiting room with all those other people, I must have done it ten times. The good thing is you can’t hear them and you can’t smell them, but it still bothers me. I have even done it a couple of times while talking to you. 
The doctor said, I understand. Take two of these pills a day and see me in two weeks.
When she returned in a couple of weeks the doctor asked how she was doing. She said terrible, it is just as bad but now they stink like crazy.
The doctor said great, now we have your sinuses cleared up so next we can work on your hearing.
 

There are so many jokes on here, so I don’t know if I brought this one up before but anyway….
An old woman went to see her doctor. When he asked her what was wrong, she said I have this bad problem.
I am passing gas all the time. Like sitting in the waiting room with all those other people, I must have done it ten times. The good thing is you can’t hear them and you can’t smell them, but it still bothers me. I have even done it a couple of times while talking to you. 
The doctor said, I understand. Take two of these pills a day and see me in two weeks.
When she returned in a couple of weeks the doctor asked how she was doing. She said terrible, it is just as bad but now they stink like crazy.
The doctor said great, now we have your sinuses cleared up so next we can work on your hearing.
 

Comparing only to last year’s scrimmage with HF, Nederland looked much improved. Great? Certainly not. Improved? Yes. 
Is HF as good as last year? I have no clue.
 The passing game was much better considering that most of last year the quarterbacks were overthrowing open receivers, sometimes by 5 yards.
 There was some decent playing on the defensive line with quite a few gang tackles.
 I “think” in the controlled scrimmage with the first teams, HF had 2 touchdowns and Nederland had 1. On second team control HF had 1-0.
On 2 quarters of game scrimmage with no kickoffs, I believe it was 1-1.
Last year HF looked like world beaters in the same scrimmage. They played pretty even this evening in my opinion. 

Go to the last page of the Nederland 2023 thread to get the Nederland perspective on the scrimmage. There are a few comments about it.