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6 hours ago, Couch.Coach said:

Thanks for bringing the numbers up. In several cases the enrollment doesn't reflect the athletic participation. Even though Nederland is around 1400 kids, i would bet they have more kids in their high school program than Memorial. No one ever talks about the amazing job PA has been able to do. They are around 1700 students also, but over half of their enrollment in hispanic, with absolutely no interest in American football.  For many, english is their second language. So while Memorial plays in 5A-D1, their program has the involvement of a Silsbee..........and they still handle business.

Maybe Nederland doesn't have as many students enrolled, but they definitely compete in program size & participation....for now.

I disagree Rich is a good coach. Maybe a good assistant. But as your first head coaching job, this one might not be the one. Maybe a smaller school, with less visibility and a weaker district. I think he's a good guy, just in over his head. He should have started at an Evadale, not the #1 high school rivalry in the nation.

Memorial’s enrollment hovers around 2,060 students, which is at the top of the 5A spectrum.

Scott Rich is a good coach. I don't think he's the problem.

In my opinion, there are a few key factors to consider when gauging Nederland's success this season. The obvious ones are the injuries, the youth and inexperience of this Bulldogs team, and the fallout from the coaching change. But the most significant, long term factor--and the most overlooked, in my opinion--is the difference in enrollment.

PN-G is sitting just a hair over 1,700 students in total enrollment, which is squarely in the middle of the 5A enrollment spectrum and in the upper half of the 5A-DII classification. Nederland is sitting a hair over 1.400 students, which is less than a hundred students above the dividing line between 5A-DII and 4A-DI.

To put that in perspective, when I was in school 15 years ago, PN-G and Nederland were both hovering around the 1,400 student enrollment mark. PN-GISD has soaked up all the growth in Mid-County while Nederland ISD's enrollment has been stagnant. We could debate why and it's probably a confluence of factors, not just any one, single reason. But whatever the cause, the simple fact is that Nederland's talent pool isn't as strong as its competition on average.

10 hours ago, cal81 said:

PNG played 5th string running back, some freshmen and starters were pulled in 2Q. 
 

sloppy on extra points only. 

… and false starts.

On a separate note, congratulations to West Fork HC Dougald McDougald, PN-G c/o 1975, on beating Nederland last night.

😎

7 minutes ago, PhatMack19 said:

I would guess Lake Creek has negative yards of offense so far in the 1st half 

At one point, I heard -13 yards of total offense on the YouTube broadcast.

By now, I think it’s gotten worse.

La Porte looks very physical and very talented but undisciplined. PN-G has done a great job of capitalizing on the Bulldogs’ mistakes, though the Indians have had a few of their own. The PN-G passing attack needs work.

5 hours ago, Darth Texas said:

The first game BU went up some big number in the first quarter. PNG’s defense was atrocious. I think it was 24-0 at one point. BU still managed to lose. I will say that BU looked much better than the last couple years defensively. The turnovers are what put them in the hole so fast. If they simply kept the ball this would have been a closer game. 

Agreed. United’s defense looked good the first few drives they went out on the field. They just wore out quickly from being on the field too much. United turned the ball over to PN-G five times in the first half.

6 hours ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

What's the series record between these 2 teams? 

After last night, the Indians are 6-0 all time versus United.

15 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

BU has a new coach for whatever that’s worth.  We are better on defense this year.  But offensive play calling concerns me…

I’m glad to hear that, and I was genuinely pleased to see United beat Bellaire.

This pains me to type because with the talent United has, they should be a lot better than they are.

But my prediction 49-10 in favor of PN-G.

On 1/20/2025 at 3:40 PM, bullets13 said:

I got in at the rule of 80. Eligible to retire at 53 😎

ok boomer

On 1/19/2025 at 7:38 AM, myrecordwashorrible said:

Yep.  I usually utilize 35 years.  Thanks!  Educated I am, smart I'm not. 

Retirement pay would be 96,600 on a 120,000 average off of 35 not 30 years of service. 

I think 35 years is more realistic than 30 now that the Rule of 90 is more broadly applicable.

On 1/12/2025 at 3:15 PM, Separation Scientist said:

Its pretty cool seeing BH being discussed with the likes of Lake Travis, Westlake, SLC, etc. but I don't agree with the comparisons. I don't understand the red/blue political angle of it, nor the landscape thing (of course Cen-Tex has a different landscape than SE TX). BH is not full of limosine liberals like the Austin area is. Mont Belvieu is full of blue collar, 12hr. shift working families. 

As much as I like Abseck, he and Cedar Park have little to do with BH's path forward at this point, so I don't see the point of CP comparisons, either.   

OlDawg's point is salient, but I'll add some additional food for thought.

Put yourself in the shoes of a head coach. You want to build a winning program and you know you need to establish the right program culture to do that. You want to work at a school with a culture that's conducive to that kind of thing, run by an administration that supports it and a community that values it.

Do you want to work in a school system where an appreciable number of students is running around wearing animal masks, audibly barking, growling, meowing, and purring in classrooms, because they openly identify as a species other than human? With an administration that either finds that behavior acceptable or is too afraid of social media hysteria to squelch it, and an appreciable number of parents and faculty in the community who openly, vocally support it?

Do you think that kind of general social dynamic at the school you work for is compatible with the program culture you need to build to have sustained success on the field and, ultimately, mold successful, healthy, balanced, well-adjusted young men? More importantly, do you think that kind of culture lends itself to any kind of success at that school, academic, extracurricular, or otherwise? Do you think it promotes an effective learning environment, or that it more likely disrupts that environment with excessive and unnecessary distractions that ultimately make it harder for good teachers to teach and dedicated students to learn?

That's the behavior that's crept into--and become all too prolific in--the high schools in the Round Rock and Leander school districts the last few school years, and that's the dilemma that's come with it. I personally know teachers leaving for other districts or private schools, or leaving the profession altogether, because of it. And I've seen firsthand parents who feel like their kids are trapped in it.

Reread my post. I stated that "[o]n a spectrum that includes the PN-G, BH, Westlake, Southlake, and Cedar Park/Northwest Hills communities, the first four are all way closer to each other in terms of culture, values, history, and tradition than any of them are to the Highway 183 Province of the People’s Republic of Austin." I know for a fact this sort of thing isn't happening in Port Neches, Groves, Eanes, or Lakeway. I don't think it's happening in Southlake or Mont Belvieu, either. But it's definitely happening along the line between Travis County and Williamson County. That's where your political--and more importantly, social--dynamic comes into play.

And that's all that I had in mind when I made the simple comment that different dynamics exist between Barbers Hill and Cedar Park that birthed this line of conversation.

4 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

“Dynamics” are not relevant. Only good coaching, leadership and management skills.

I'll agree with you that good coaching, leadership, and management skills are all necessities for a successful program, but do not underestimate the importance of school and community culture. Asbeck's departure from Cedar Park is not the only reason that program is not dominant like it was ten years ago.

3 hours ago, 89Falcon said:

OK, Westlake and SLC are single most affluent areas in the state. PNG is not close to them and is lower than BH. The "dynamics" disparity did not impact Joseph and it will have nothing to do with the success of BH next coach. 

Who said the difference in dynamics is relegated entirely to wealth?

Look up how all those communities vote. Cedar Park is one of the bluest suburbs in Texas and has been for two decades. Westlake and PN-G are almost equally red. Southlake has traditionally been a red suburb, and is trending back that way the last cycle or two after a turning reddish-purple during the first Trump term.

You brought Westlake, PN-G, and Southlake into a conversation that was really about the differences between Cedar Park and Mont Belvieu. My best guess is that you were trying to deflect a point about how radically different the 620 corridor is from Eagle Drive, and turn this into some sort of referendum on PN-G, I’m guessing out of subconscious frustration over BH’s inability to successfully hire away our coach. But since “PNG is lower than BH” and nowhere near the glorious level of affluence the rich Austin and Dallas suburbs enjoy, why don’t you ask former Westlake HC Todd Dodge how interested he was in the PN-G job in 2022, how the conversation that led to his consulting contract at PN-G actually started, and why the Nederland job was on his radar two years later?

And while you’re at it, maybe take this one from the guy who’s lived in the 77651, the 78613, and the 78641, and who’s worked for three separate elected officials that represent the 76092 (and for that matter, got a new school authorized right down the road in Lewisville two years ago):

On a spectrum that includes the PN-G, BH, Westlake, Southlake, and Cedar Park/Northwest Hills communities, the first four are all way closer to each other in terms of culture, values, history, and tradition than any of them are to the Highway 183 Province of the People’s Republic of Austin.

15 hours ago, 89Falcon said:

Is PNG "different dynamics" than Katy, Austin Westlake, and Southlake Carroll? 

Not as different as Cedar Park is from Mont Belvieu.

14 hours ago, OlDawg said:

Always someone who thinks—despite all evidence to the contrary—things will be different for them.

My brother lives in Steiner Ranch. Feeds into Vandegrift. Niece & nephew graduated from Vandegrift. Barbers Hill is nothing like that area.

Barbers Hill is like Deer Park. The Vandegrift/Lake Travis area is on a different level from many aspects.

I lived in Cedar Park for a few years.

Different dynamics, to say the least.

On 1/9/2025 at 10:59 AM, Separation Scientist said:

Thank you. Its incredible to read any positive commentary about BH on SETXSports. BH is, after all the mosted hated and critiqued school/program/team in SETXSports history. So much of it is so stupid and wrong, but whatever, its just outsiders making noise. 

[laughs in Port Neches-Groves]

For all the money BH is offering, anyone know what Jimbo Fisher’s up to these days?

😁

On 12/22/2024 at 8:25 AM, AggiesAreWe said:

Same bill that was shot down a year or so ago. Same Rep proposing it again.

It failed miserably last time.

It will not pass.

Nothing to see here.

This is correct.

11 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Cue the scene in Friday Night Lights.

Ratcliff Stadium? Texas Stadium? How about the Astrodome?

Zebras? 

I vote Astrodome.

5 minutes ago, PNG4LIFE91 said:

I’m sure it’s because school is out for Thanksgiving and a lot of kids may be out of town or have family visiting so attending the game is optional.  I know that’s how it is for PNG Band but all other playoff games are REQUIRED.  

But 80% or more of our band still showed up. 😎

Anyone know if Nederland has sold out the visitors' side yet?

57 minutes ago, Rez said:

Their band took too long, then the team interrupted the Ned band. Classless. 

Never underestimate the Montgomery County sense of entitlement.

Just now, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

Would you say this if MCM wasn't next week?

6-1 with two or three big upset wins to their credit and tied for a district title with the defending state champs in the first season of a new head coach? Yes, I would.

If Nederland holds on, they deserve to be state-ranked next week.