Strikeout Question???

[Mustang Secret]

If the pitcher strikes out a batter, and the catcher misses it, and the throw to first does not beat the runner, is the pitcher awarded with the strikeout? or not? because I have always thought it was still a strikeout, but the batter reaches on an error.

[baddog]

It's a strikeout but not an out. The pitcher can get 4 strikeouts in a half inning like this. Best I can do.

[tvc184]

[quote name="Dr. Salt" post="994882" timestamp="1302311911"]
If the pitcher strikes out a batter, and the catcher misses it, and the throw to first does not beat the runner, is the pitcher awarded with the strikeout? or not? because I have always thought it was still a strikeout, but the batter reaches on an error.
[/quote]

Strikeout, E-2 on passed ball.

........ I think.

[Mustang Secret]

thank you. the person keeping our books isnt counting all of our pitchers strikeouts. i really appreciate the help

[643]

In the book it should go down as a K-E2

[BaseBow]

[quote name="643" post="995098" timestamp="1302353021"]
In the book it should go down as a K-E2
[/quote]What if it is a bad pitch but the batter swings any way...If the ball is in the dirt it would be a K E-1 right ..

[Guest Ranger83]

If he reaches first. yes

[Hupernikomen]

The year Girdley had 27 K's against Lumberton he had 4 in an inning twice.

[rounder17]

[quote name="BaseBow" post="995101" timestamp="1302353709"]
[quote author=643 link=topic=82928.msg995098#msg995098 date=1302353021]
In the book it should go down as a K-E2
[/quote]What if it is a bad pitch but the batter swings any way...If the ball is in the dirt it would be a K E-1 right ..
[/quote]

What if the coach called for a curveball in the dirt?

[Guest Ranger83]

It could roll to the backstop, but if the catcher throws the batter out at first it's a K. 

To correct what I said on the  E1, it would have to be a WP or a PB, the pitcher would not be assessed an E on the pitch itself. The only E could be on the catcers throw to 1st. (E2 or E3). Bottom line is the pitcher would be credited for the K.

[DaBears]

Just as Pat said, its a strikeout. It could also be a PB (catcher misses good pitch), WP (pitcher throws a wild one), E2 (catcher makes a bad throw), or even E3 if the catcher makes a good throw that would beat the runner but the 1st baseman misplays it.

[adminbaberuth]

A pitched ball to a catcher is never scored an error, it's either a wild pitch or pass ball.

[BaseballWarrior]

[quote name="adminbaberuth" post="995308" timestamp="1302445237"]
A pitched ball to a catcher is never scored an error, it's either a wild pitch or pass ball.
[/quote]

If a runner scores on a wild pitch would that be earned then or an error assesed then?

[adminbaberuth]

[quote name="BaseballWarrior" post="995319" timestamp="1302447169"]
[quote author=adminbaberuth link=topic=82928.msg995308#msg995308 date=1302445237]
A pitched ball to a catcher is never scored an error, it's either a wild pitch or pass ball.
[/quote]

If a runner scores on a wild pitch would that be earned then or an error assesed then?
[/quote]

If the runner got on base without an error, it's a earned run. WP to pitcher.

[rounder17]

[quote name="adminbaberuth" post="995322" timestamp="1302447489"]
[quote author=BaseballWarrior link=topic=82928.msg995319#msg995319 date=1302447169]
[quote author=adminbaberuth link=topic=82928.msg995308#msg995308 date=1302445237]
A pitched ball to a catcher is never scored an error, it's either a wild pitch or pass ball.
[/quote]

If a runner scores on a wild pitch would that be earned then or an error assesed then?
[/quote]

If the runner got on base without an error, it's a earned run. WP to pitcher.
[/quote]

Unless there was an error made with 2 outs. Then it would be a unearned run.

[BaseballWarrior]

[quote name="rounder17" post="995449" timestamp="1302470837"]
[quote author=adminbaberuth link=topic=82928.msg995322#msg995322 date=1302447489]
[quote author=BaseballWarrior link=topic=82928.msg995319#msg995319 date=1302447169]
[quote author=adminbaberuth link=topic=82928.msg995308#msg995308 date=1302445237]
A pitched ball to a catcher is never scored an error, it's either a wild pitch or pass ball.
[/quote]

If a runner scores on a wild pitch would that be earned then or an error assesed then?
[/quote]

If the runner got on base without an error, it's a earned run. WP to pitcher.
[/quote]

Unless there was an error made with 2 outs. Then it would be a unearned run.
[/quote]

What if it was a WP/PB on a K with 2 outs, should have been the third out, still no error considered and earned run? Hard to believe it would be considered earned.

[soonerbeintexas]

[quote name="BaseballWarrior" post="995466" timestamp="1302473423"]
[quote author=rounder17 link=topic=82928.msg995449#msg995449 date=1302470837]
[quote author=adminbaberuth link=topic=82928.msg995322#msg995322 date=1302447489]
[quote author=BaseballWarrior link=topic=82928.msg995319#msg995319 date=1302447169]
[quote author=adminbaberuth link=topic=82928.msg995308#msg995308 date=1302445237]
A pitched ball to a catcher is never scored an error, it's either a wild pitch or pass ball.
[/quote]

If a runner scores on a wild pitch would that be earned then or an error assesed then?
[/quote]

If the runner got on base without an error, it's a earned run. WP to pitcher.
[/quote]

Unless there was an error made with 2 outs. Then it would be a unearned run.
[/quote]

What if it was a WP/PB on a K with 2 outs, should have been the third out, still no error considered and earned run? Hard to believe it would be considered earned.
[/quote]

Earned run if it was a WP...unearned on PB because he would not have reached base otherwise. Passed ball is similar to an error in this case. Hope that makes it clear as mud.

[BaseballWarrior]

[quote name="soonerbeintexas" post="995470" timestamp="1302474466"]
[quote author=BaseballWarrior link=topic=82928.msg995466#msg995466 date=1302473423]
[quote author=rounder17 link=topic=82928.msg995449#msg995449 date=1302470837]
[quote author=adminbaberuth link=topic=82928.msg995322#msg995322 date=1302447489]
[quote author=BaseballWarrior link=topic=82928.msg995319#msg995319 date=1302447169]
[quote author=adminbaberuth link=topic=82928.msg995308#msg995308 date=1302445237]
A pitched ball to a catcher is never scored an error, it's either a wild pitch or pass ball.
[/quote]

If a runner scores on a wild pitch would that be earned then or an error assesed then?
[/quote]

If the runner got on base without an error, it's a earned run. WP to pitcher.
[/quote]

Unless there was an error made with 2 outs. Then it would be a unearned run.
[/quote]

What if it was a WP/PB on a K with 2 outs, should have been the third out, still no error considered and earned run? Hard to believe it would be considered earned.
[/quote]

Earned run if it was a WP...unearned on PB because he would not have reached base otherwise. Passed ball is similar to an error in this case. Hope that makes it clear as mud.
[/quote]

I understand, just wondering "out loud"

[soonerbeintexas]

Check out this link to determine unearned runs...it may help.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_run#Unearned_run]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_run#Unearned_run[/url]

[BaseballWarrior]

[quote name="soonerbeintexas" post="995475" timestamp="1302474850"]
Check out this link to determine unearned runs...it may help.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_run#Unearned_run]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_run#Unearned_run[/url]
[/quote]

Has some good info, but started making me ask more questions about other unearned runs.

Also, WP/PB is determined by the scorer, so his judgement makes the run earned/unearned, so each team may have differences in actual stats on that. My scorer better call a lot of PBs. I want my pitchers ERA as low as possible, lol  ;D

[westendfirst]

[quote name="adminbaberuth" post="995308" timestamp="1302445237"]
A pitched ball to a catcher is never scored an error, it's either a wild pitch or pass ball.
[/quote]

What?  I thought they were both errors and it was just a matter of who was charged with the error.  Of course, now that I think about it, I guess a pitcher could throw a bunch of wild pitches to keep his era low so that wouldn't make sense.  Maybe it is an error but not an error when figuring ERA?

[LumRaiderFan]

[quote name="adminbaberuth" post="995308" timestamp="1302445237"]
A pitched ball to a catcher is never scored an error, it's either a wild pitch or pass ball.
[/quote]
Admin always right!!

Although described as battery errors, passed balls and wild pitches are counted separately from other errors. See Rule 10.14:

(f) Because the pitcher and catcher handle the ball much more than other fielders, certain misplays on pitched balls are defined in Rule 10.15 as wild pitches and passed balls. No error shall be charged when a wild pitch or passed ball is scored. (1) No error shall be charged when the batter is awarded first base on four called balls or because he was touched by a pitched ball, or when he reaches first base as the result of a wild pitch or passed ball. (i) When the third strike is a wild pitch, permitting the batter to reach first base, score a strikeout and a wild pitch. (ii) When the third strike is a passed ball, permitting the batter to reach first base, score a strikeout and a passed ball. (2) No error shall be charged when a runner or runners advance as the result of a passed ball, a wild pitch or a balk. (i) When the fourth called ball is a wild pitch or a passed ball, and as a result (a) the batter runner advances to a base beyond first base; (b) any runner forced to advance by the base on balls advances more than one base, or (c) any runner, not forced to advance, advances one or more bases, score the base on balls, and also the wild pitch or passed ball, as the case may be; (ii) When the catcher recovers the ball after a wild pitch or passed ball on the third strike, and throws out the batter runner at first base, or tags out the batter runner, but another runner or runners advance, score the strikeout, the putout and assists, if any, and credit the advance of the other runner or runners as having been made on the play.