The 14th Amendment & Birthright Citizenship

[OlDawg]

SCOTUS could also rule that birthright citizenship isn't guaranteed in the Constitution, agree with the original interpretation of the 14th, and end both questions with one ruling. Then, they'd have to specify that even illegal immigrants are granted certain rights of habeas corpus, and issue some type of ruling on minimal standards as it relates to current immigration law.

No Amendments necessary, and no major changes to current law.

While unpopular with the Left, it would be the cleanest way out for the Court and the country.

I'm gonna' sit back with my popcorn and watch the show.

[Big girl]

22 hours ago, OlDawg said:

Only partially true. You conveniently left out the key part like many. He is a citizen because HE was born here, and his PARENTS were legally subject here, resided permanently here, and were presumed loyal to the U.S.

HE was underage. So, his status was carried from his parent/parents.

So why is  a 5 year old., who has parents who are here illegally, considered a citizen?

[Big girl]

22 hours ago, baddog said:

I have never been and never will be a believer in the saying, “If it saves one life then it is worth it”. It’s simply a ‘feel good’ saying.

It saved the act from being a total loss

[Big girl]

12 hours ago, OlDawg said:

Not only that, but undocumented/illegal immigrants are not eligible for service in the U.S. military as they are not ‘under the jurisdiction’ of the U.S. So, how can their children be…?

In case of war, draft the kids against the parent’s country?

Riddle me that Batman liberals. 😁

(On a side note, I’d be curious how many illegal immigrants actually sign up for Selective Service as the law requires. If they don’t, they aren’t eligible to stay in country. It’s grounds for immediate removal. However, why they have to sign up when they can’t serve is a mystery to me. Another tracking mechanism I presume.)

I am not pro illegal immigration but I do believe that people should be able to seek asylum. I said that I believed that the sick child, who is a citizen , should've been allowed to stay here, even if she had to be taken into CPS custody. I never said her parents should be allowed to stay. Also, I asked if Trump should grant amnesty to illegals like Reagan did.

 

[bullets13]

46 minutes ago, Big girl said:

So why is  a 5 year old., who has parents who are here illegally, considered a citizen?

This is literally what Republicans are asking.

[SmashMouth]

1 hour ago, Big girl said:

Also, I asked if Trump should grant amnesty to illegals like Reagan did.

Blanket asylum at the current levels our buddy Biden brought us too? No... Not no, but Hell no.

[OlDawg]

1 hour ago, bullets13 said:

This is literally what Republicans are asking.

Not just Party specific.

A number to consider that some don’t like to talk about:

59% of families/households headed by illegal immigrants use at least 1 major form of public assistance per 2024 CIS data which equates to over $42 Billion/year. According to the data, legalization only increases the issue because of the low education level.

In contrast, 39% of legal/citizen households use public assistance.

Wait! I thought public assistance wasn’t being provided to illegal immigrants.

WRONG!

The child being a citizen receives SNAP, WIC, Medicaid, & housing assistance. Many other programs have no limits on who can receive. Thus, it goes to the family unit.

Conclusion 
Illegal immigrants are a significant net fiscal drain -- paying less in taxes than they use in public 
services. The primary reason they create more in costs than they pay in taxes is their relative low 
levels of education. Based on prior research, 69 percent of adult illegal immigrants have no 
education beyond high school, compared to 35 percent of the U.S.-born. As a result, they tend to 
earn modest wages and make modest tax contributions even when income and payroll taxes are 
taken out of their pay. This fact, coupled with the relatively heavy demands they make on public 
coffers -- especially for education, health care, and means-tested programs -- is the reason they 
are a net fiscal drain. 
We estimate that 59 percent of illegal immigrant households use one or more major welfare 
programs, costing roughly $42 billion a year. At the local level, the largest single cost is for 
public education. We estimate the cost of educating the children of illegal immigrants, most of 
whom are U.S.-born, totals $69 billion per year. While illegal immigrants often receive other 
services for their U.S.-born children, even when we estimate the net fiscal impact of just the 
illegal immigrants themselves, excluding their U.S.-born children, we still find they create a 
lifetime net fiscal drain of $68,000 on average (taxes paid minus benefits received). 
Even though illegal immigrants are net fiscal drains, they do pay a significant amount in taxes. 
We estimate illegal immigrants pay $25.9 billion a year to the federal government. 
Unfortunately, their tax contributions do not cover their consumption of public services. 
The net fiscal drain is not the result of illegal immigrants being unwilling to work. In fact, we 
find that illegal immigrant households are significantly more likely to have at least one worker
than households headed by the U.S.-born, and there is little evidence that immigrants come 
specifically to get welfare. 
Legal immigrants and U.S.-born Americans who have relatively few years of school are also a 
net fiscal drain on average because they too tend to earn modest wages, make modest tax 
contributions, and use social services extensively. None of this should be seen as a moral failing 
on the part of low-income people. Nonetheless, it is the reason why communities across the 
country worry so much about losing their middle-class tax base, as it is primarily middle- and 
upper-income people who keep public coffers full. 
The fiscal situation today is very different from the situation more than 100 years ago during the 
last great wave of immigrants, when federal, state and local government was a much smaller 
share of GDP. Also, at that time industrial jobs for the less educated were plentiful and paid, by 
the standards of the day, relatively high wages. But none this is the case today. We need an 
immigration policy that reflects current realities, and we need to rigorously enforce it. Otherwise, 
the fiscal costs will be significant, as many communities across the country are currently finding out.

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[OlDawg]

2 hours ago, Big girl said:

I am not pro illegal immigration but I do believe that people should be able to seek asylum. I said that I believed that the sick child, who is a citizen , should've been allowed to stay here, even if she had to be taken into CPS custody. I never said her parents should be allowed to stay. Also, I asked if Trump should grant amnesty to illegals like Reagan did.

 

Again, no one is stopping asylum seekers, or legal immigration in any form. In fact, it’s being encouraged.

I’m not a D or R. Nor am I a big Trump fan. But, no to amnesty & the administration looks to be correct on their birthright citizenship claim to my layman’s reading. They are definitely correct on their abuse of national injunctions claim.

I wouldn’t want my dead dog in CPS custody. Not in Harris County at least.

[Big girl]

1 hour ago, OlDawg said:

Again, no one is stopping asylum seekers, or legal immigration in any form. In fact, it’s being encouraged.

I’m not a D or R. Nor am I a big Trump fan. But, no to amnesty & the administration looks to be correct on their birthright citizenship claim to my layman’s reading. They are definitely correct on their abuse of national injunctions claim.

I wouldn’t want my dead dog in CPS custody. Not in Harris County at least.

At least she would get the necessary treatment. I know some great foster parents in Harris County. I yake care of a lot of kids in foster care.

[Big girl]

1 hour ago, OlDawg said:

Again, no one is stopping asylum seekers, or legal immigration in any form. In fact, it’s being encouraged.

I’m not a D or R. Nor am I a big Trump fan. But, no to amnesty & the administration looks to be correct on their birthright citizenship claim to my layman’s reading. They are definitely correct on their abuse of national injunctions claim.

I wouldn’t want my dead dog in CPS custody. Not in Harris County at least.

Ok. Why do you think Reagan felt it was necessary? What do you think motivated him to do it?

[bullets13]

43 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Ok. Why do you think Reagan felt it was necessary? What do you think motivated him to do it?

Do you know what "perseverating" means? That's what you're doing. We're talking about something happening right now, and your only response is to (repeatedly) bring up something from 40 years ago. The irony is you keep asking this question but won't address why it was okay for Obama to deport so many people. 

[baddog]

4 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

Do you know what "perseverating" means? That's what you're doing. We're talking about something happening right now, and your only response is to bring up something that didn't work out 40 years ago. The irony is you keep asking this question but won't address why it was okay for Obama to deport so many people. 

I asked her but, well, you know……..fence post syndrome.

[Big girl]

30 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

Do you know what "perseverating" means? That's what you're doing. We're talking about something happening right now, and your only response is to (repeatedly) bring up something from 40 years ago. The irony is you keep asking this question but won't address why it was okay for Obama to deport so many people. 

I dont have a problem with illegals being deported. Read what I wrote earlier

[LumRaiderFan]

1 hour ago, Big girl said:

Ok. Why do you think Reagan felt it was necessary? What do you think motivated him to do it?

It’s very clear why Reagan did it, I’ve actually explained the reasoning.  Why don’t you read answers when you ask questions?

[SmashMouth]

40 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

Do you know what "perseverating" means? That's what you're doing. We're talking about something happening right now, and your only response is to (repeatedly) bring up something from 40 years ago. The irony is you keep asking this question but won't address why it was okay for Obama to deport so many people. 

WAAAY off topic, but your comment reminds me of a joke:

"You know the problem with female referees in the NFL? They keep bringing up stuff you did like 3 games ago..."

🤣