thetragichippy

Lets see, $275.00 per day X 5 days = $1375 per week, = $5912.50 per month, = $70,950 per year X 10 people = $709,500 per year. This of course, is based on a full year, but it does show how $275.00 per day can add up. The one common factor is that most WO-S people have an issue with the School Bus program being taken away or do not agree with the way the money is being spent. Talking about it on this forum is doing nothing but maybe relieving a little stress. If it's really that important, do something about it! Show up on a Monday with every kids parent you can find and protest! Get the parents to "picket" out in front of the school. That would get the media out if you could find enough parents. Its called legal protest. You can do it! OR...................you can just talk about how bad it is and do nothing...... TD..............You have some good post, keep it up!

Your right, little league has nothing to do with school athletics unless you think a little league program will improve the kids skills when they do reach high school.......which I do. Lumberton has no little league football field...........we use the intermediate school practice field. I realize WOS does not play Lumberton in high School, but if you read some post in youth football, WOS people use the "jealous" and "hater" card all the time......Seems a lot(not all) seem to think everyone is against them. Anytime you question them they come back with the, "your just mad because we win" card. That is what caught my attention in your post. I really don't think anyone thinks that stopping a school bus route would destroy a football team. If it did, it says very little about that football team.

Based on your post, it appears the "WOS haters" you refer to is anyone who made a comment that did not support the "Taxi Program". Now, not putting all WOS people in one bucket, it seems someone always brings up how great the football team is and how we (we = anyone else) are secretly trying to do things to sabotage the football program everytime we disagrees with anything that is not pro WOS football. (sorry, run on sentence!!) Trust me, most NORMAL people don't sit up at night and plan ways to make sure your "program will fall apart". The fact is, it was WOS board members that voted down the bus program. It was not people from outside your town. So, why did you think your own people did this? Should not this be the question you ask? My son plays football for Lumberton peewee. Lumberton has a reputation for "having money". We also have a very successful football program. Have you seen the condition of our stadium? You should see out Little League baseball field. Our high School scoreboard was not 100% functional all year. Its all about money. We live with what we have. And for your last comment, instead of telling us (WOS haters) to "just get better and work harder", maybe you guys should get with your parents and "work harder" getting your kids to practice like everyone else does. My son plays 3 sports and it can be a pain in the "" to get him to practice, but he has never missed!! Lastly, I hope you guys resolve the problem and the buses keep running. If it keeps kids in school I do agree with it. I just hope education is somewhere in your list of priorities.........

You guys are still asking for handouts........refineries, board members, etc..... No one has made any suggestion about a parent meeting! Why not a parent meeting? After all, who is ultimately responsible for getting their kids to practice? I never road the bus, I car pooled until high school. Parents can come together and make this work. I hope the parents just don't sit there and expect the school district to take care of their kids. As for economics, my son wants a dirt bike................he's not getting one (too expensive this year). However, I may look throughout the year and find him a "USED" one or a "fixer upper". That's called adjusting in our economics that we have going right now.

ENGLISH LESSON....... I was going to translate this to English and make it even more humorous, but I don't have three hours to spend on it. The statements he is trying to make have no merit. He should go back to posting on myspace!

One thing I would like to point out is that alot of "single parent" families are composed of MOTHERS and KIDS, no all are fortunate enough to still have a DAD involved. I say this because alot of the single parent families we are discussing are WOMEN and economics tell us that a women considered "uneducated" and I mean without college degrees cannot find these 8-5 M-F jobs and make enough to much less pay the rent. I say if the parents of the students want to have this service provided, then offer it as a fare. This way the district will not be expected to cover the cost, which TEA is pushing limits the district can spend outside the classroom, and the parents will not have to worry about their kids getting home safely! The most important thing we have is the safety of our kids!!! Well, without trying to put my personal life on a stage, I am a college drop out! I do not have a college education. I worked hard, worked long hours and set goals for myself. The older I got, the more serious I got. I'm not Einstein, if I can do it, anyone can! I think it's extremely sad to see "single parent" families struggle. I just hope these parents are not using the school district as a babysitter, expecting pick up and delivery. My ex-wife could really care less about football or any sport, but she is there every practice supporting her kid! Probably the only thing we agreed on ;)

Its the parents responsibility, I don't care where you are from.!!!! I worked retail all my life and worked a lot of nights. This was ok in a two parent family. When I got divorced, I took a significant pay cut and got a Monday - Friday job. I also got joint custody and my son lives with me 50% of the time. I now bring him to all his practices(plays 3 sports) and pick him up everyday after school. He's also my fishin buddy! With the decrease in my salary, we cant do as much but I'm with him all the time. My house is up for sale so I can buy a smaller one that I can afford. I bring this up not to be "super dad", but to show that people can do whatever they want if their priorities are right. I'm sure most parents(even single parents like me) could find a way to get their kids to practice, if that's the priority!

WHAT ARE THE WEIGHT RESTRICTIONS IN HIGH SCHOOL???????? ANYONE????? I'm just curious.... There are no weight restrictions in High School football. Your right. You see Bigworm, there are rules and guidelines in every sport. They are for the well being of all players. To compare peewee to high school football is a stretch, a big stretch. Think about it. By the time they are in high school they are better prepared to take a hit and not get hurt. That's why this is and should be called developmental football. When the kids are older, they are better developed and all this training they are getting at such a young age will be useful WHEN they get to high school. But for now, we should DISCUSS if the weight limits will be tweaked or left alone. I really don't think they are going away!

Fair enough BigD, I agree with some of what you said. My son consistently could block and get through kids weighing almost 30 pounds more. He's a tough one. At the same time, I'm not sure I would want 30 additional pounds hitting him like I see some of the hard hitters do. I would like my son to at least reach age 9 before be needs physical therapy. ;D

We must be reading something completely different and I may need to look up what "rules" mean. I thought rules were meant for everyone, not just select teams. This thread was supposed to be a discussion (not argument) about tweaking the requirements to be more fair. No one in this forum can change the rules without a vote. Its just a discussion. At the end of the day, weather you like it or not, the rules may be changed as majority will rule. As for excuses, I've heard a few, but that came from the fans, not coaches. I'm from Lumberton and I've given no excuses. My son played on peewee red and WO-S dominated! You guys have some good kids and coaches. If we could of tackled your kids, we might have won!

Why does this discussion keep going back to WOS or more specifically BigWorms kid? The original suggestion would actually help him and kids like him stay as a back because it increases the weight limits. Now the discussion is starting to be about a coach being competitive? There are weight rules already established and nobody is suggesting that weight be used as a tool to win. BigD the rules are there to keep everything safe and fair and I believe the STJFL does a good job in maintaining that focus. Why is WOS so defensive in this topic? No one has made any accusations toward anybody these were only suggestions that ironically would help in the areas WOS is against... There is no reason to get defensive on this thread unless you already know the rules are being broken and you don't wanna get caught. By the way you are acting, maybe bulldogbacker is right and there needs to be more officials at the certifications or at least somebody planted at the scales. As long as a player doesn't go over 115 pound mark throughout the year there would be no problem. I can't understand why it would be a problem to give an opposing coach a chance to challenge a player's weight. This was TeamRaiders thread and the subject was "STJFL Weight Limits" not "make excuses for your kids" or "put words into peoples mouths" (one for you QueenB)...... Teamraider was not attacking anyone as far as I can see. I see his point, why is everyone so defensive? This discussion took off in a completely different direction than it was intended. Why cant both sides discuss something without turning it in to an argument?? Now, lets see how many insults I receive after stating the obvious!

Are we not getting a little deep here?

Could we use better Ref's???? YES ---- However, they are human and can't possibly watch every player on the field. The fact is the game is over and winners were decided. I wish the outcome would have been all Lumberton, but that's not what happen. WO-S has some great players and apparently some great coaches. I really thought Lumberton white PeeWee would have taken them, but they didn't. You win some and loose the rest! There is always next year! I think arguing and insulting about a game is on the childish side........But if you do argue, using spell check will make your argument more believable! ;D

WO-S pee wee 33 Lumberton red 0 Need I say more. I told you we would win by more than 21 points. A lot of talent in WO-S. Lumberton lost its drive when both coaches were suspended. I think it would of been very different had the original coaches played till the end. The kids did not give up, so I'm proud of the team for that. Congratulations WO-S pee wee on a game well played!! BTW, what do yall feed those kids?. They would get hit and never fall!

All Im saying is you would never catch someone from West Orange Stark doing what you did... I have seen your post and you seem to thrive on conflict. Well, I'm not even a "helper". I guess I was "thriving" on conflict by answering a guys question about an offense he had a question about. What ever happened to its just a game.??? I'm pretty sure most coaches with a video camera could figure out this mystery offense. Sorry teamraider, I'm just a normal spectator that researched the offense and found that information. I also know how to shut down that offense, but that's TOP SECRET!

Basically the backfield squats down tight around the center. The defensive line cant see who the ball is given to so they have a hard time knowing which way the ball is going. I think the real name is single wing offense. Its a single wing offense with a lot of misdirection. A coach developed it and took his team to nationals. They were called the screaming eagles. Do a google because there is a website about this offense. There are several towns out there such as WOS and Nederland with multiple teams in the same division. They are rivals of sorts but respect each others game. I've seen both WOS teams talking smack to each other for the last 3 weeks... What I have never seen is one of those teams sell the other out by posting their strategies on a public forum. A couple of years ago the Lumberton Pee Wee White coach spent months during the off season researching to come up with a good offense program. The way I understand it, he devised it from about four he had looked at along with some of his own ideas. He has been successful with it for several years now so for another Lumberton coach to post information from one of his sources is a lack of class that I have never seen from any sport on any level. Even if the information he is giving wasn't correct... The fact he thought he WAS giving out the secret is enough to make him cheap. I'd like to know if there is any other coach out there that would sell out another team in their own town. Because I can't figure out a single reason why anyone would do that! I'm not a coach for Lumberton football. I do have eyes and see their offense. I did not say anything that noone could not google or watch a film and see it. Do you really think that offense is a big secret?? I have only been on this forum a few days, but it appears when you cant find something good to attack someone with, you make up something..........

You know player 666, whats creepy is the attention you are giving me. Almost like the girl that's mean to you because she really likes you Thank God I'm married with children........ That really makes alot of sense traffichippy, it sounds to me like you were one of the clowns involved in the whole embarrising situation. And if you were you were not involved you should not try to take up for idiot coaches that your league put on the field. The board is in charge of the coaches and if they can not handle them, then the STJFL should. 66 is right on the money. You can surely dish it out but you sure as heck cant take it. :'( You guys apparently cant read. If your trying to kill me with stupidity, then its working.....I'm on my knees....... Roughrider, you made comment to ban both "towns". I call you on that(because it was a stupid suggestion) and I cant take it??? You voice your opinion and its an opinion. I call you on it and I cant take it?? Read my post Roughrider, pay attention, I was not involved. I actually was on Lumberton sideline when this happened and stayed there. I watched it all. My son was one of the players on the team that "watched in horror as the fight broke out". Him and I went to McDonald's after the game and had a talk about it and it was soon forgotten over chicken nuggets. I told him that was two good coaches that really screwed up and that's not what the games about. He's 7 but understood. He looked up to his coach and I will not take that away from either. And by the way, the STJFL made there decisions about all involved and I would assume they are happy with those decisions, why cant you be????????????

I thought replying to a message was staying on topic?

Basically the backfield squats down tight around the center. The defensive line cant see who the ball is given to so they have a hard time knowing which way the ball is going. I think the real name is single wing offense. Its a single wing offense with a lot of misdirection. A coach developed it and took his team to nationals. They were called the screaming eagles. Do a google because there is a website about this offense.

You know player 666, whats creepy is the attention you are giving me. Almost like the girl that's mean to you because she really likes you Thank God I'm married with children........

The attacks hit a nerve. I guess I dint take stupidity well..........been a fault of mine since I was a kid! :-*

I agree Dustjam, a very strange offense but it does work. We(lumberton Red) lost to them by one point. Everybody laying down in the backfield makes for a hard tackle. However, with their record, if the fundamental of the game is wining, then it does work..... ;D

Player 666, you need to get with roughrider, because you could save him a lot of typing if all he said is what you got out of it!

and where exactly did I whiiiinnnnne??????????? I'm sorry I dint fit in with all the high schoolers here (if not, certainly act like it) that like to name call and attack people for voicing concerns. But that's fine, to get on your level, sticks and stones......... :

Player 666, I took the 5 minutes to review some of your post and didn't see much value. What you will find in my post is comments, jokes and my opinion. You will not find name childish name calling or put downs. So, grow up a little and realize this forum is for everyone and not just for a few....freedom of speech, remember! And to your point, instead of me creating a post and staying in my corner, perhaps you should start your own forum and invite the people that "think like you do"!