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+1...it's high school football in Mid-County...the talent comes and goes. Things will even out and circle back to where Nederland has a few years of talented kids with size and speed walking the halls. Then, all of a sudden, Monte Barrow will be a great coach again. Right now, the Indians are riding the wave of talented kids, good size on the OL/DL, and excellent coaching. Anyone who has watched PN-G and Nederland football since the 1950s knows that the good times and bad times swing back and forth.

My man...you need to find some positive energy and go rally the Ned kids. They are playing hard, giving what they got, and remember, they are 15-18 year old kids. PN-G has had its share of down years. It happens. But, I don't think the Indian faithful would tear down their own kids or take pride in predicting a bad season. That goes against our core values of Honor, Pride, and Tradition. Hit the pause button and go support your kids, encourage them, love them, and thank them for busting their ass for all of our Friday night enjoyment. Go Indians. Peace.

To the hardcore WO-S alums and fans, it's all in good fun. No disrespect intended. All SETX fans will tell you, the wins and losses are cyclical. There are good years and some not so good years. It happens to all programs. Hang in there. It will circle back around.

Remember decades ago when area fans would make jokes about Vidor playing Interstate 10? VHS - 0 Interstate - 10 Who would have ever imagined that area fans (and WO-S fans) would be making light of the fact that WO-S has a bye week? I will say this, the bye week is undefeated. I can't remember the last time the bye week lost to any opponent? Bye week always holds teams scoreless. I don't think the bye week feared Dan Hooks or Cornell Thompson so you know bye week will be ready for Coach Hickman. Somewhere...Vidor fans and I-10 are smiling.

Did I read that right...all you can eat chicken fried steak? Are we talking a homemade chicken fried steak or a "grab it from the freezer and throw it in the grease" chicken fried steak? If we are talking about a SETX homemade down in the country chicken fried steak, that might be too difficult to pass up.

Maybe PAM is getting better week to week? That's what it looks like from the outside looking in. I've seen two PAM games. PN-G in week 1 and tonight's game vs. La Porte. PAM has improved since the PN-G game. The run game is solid. The defense is solid. The throws tonight were there...had three drops. Reading this thread in hindsight, some of the PAM fans want the Titans to be playing their best ball in weeks 5 and 6. Take the Ws each week, identify the mistakes, and go to practice the next week to get better. I want my team to be playing its best football in weeks 11-16, not week 1 or week 2 or week 5. If the QB is not running each time the Red Sea parts, no big deal. As long as he is managing the game and taking care of the football, which he is, he will see the running lanes on the film. He can run wild in weeks 11-16. You guys hammer the PAM coaches when every little thing goes wrong. What more can Coach Morgan do? His staff obviously know their talent and how to make adjustments at the half. That's coaching. I'd be more worried if my team's coaches didn't make adjustments. Also, it's crazy to expect 15-18 year old kids to play a perfect game. Drops happen. Missed blocks on the bubble screen happen. Cut them some slack and enjoy the Ws. It's hard to win. The other team's coaches get paid, too. If winning was easy, everyone would be winning. I will echo the LP fan. The PAM online broadcast is very well done. I'm no fashion guy and I'm old, but the all red unis were hard on my eyes. I like the all black PAM unis or the all white with the black/red trim. I think PAM will be a tough out in weeks 11-16.

LP @ PAM or HF @ WO-S...close call on the game of the week. Leaning toward the home teams.

Thank you, Ladybug33. Rally around the WO-S kids, love them, and support them. WO-S will be back.

AAW thank you for the summary and clarifications. Two good SETX programs with proud histories. Good luck to Silsbee. The Tigers have a shot to win it all this year and I hope they do. WO-S will bounce back soon. Too much history, tradition, and good athletes that will fight their ass off for 48 minutes to be down for too long. All programs have down years. WO-S will be back.

I read that WO-S had fans/alumni jumping the fence. Did that happen? What was going on? Were they upset with the coaches, the kids, the refs, or something else? Did the game end early because of players fighting? So, what I am reading is that the referees, coaching staffs, and security/police lost control and the game had to be stopped? Is that a first? What in the world was going on? As a high school football fan, I go back a long ways to the McCarty, Hooks, and Thompson eras at WO-S and the Coach McGallion Silsbee teams of the early/mid-seventies. None of those coaches would have had games where fans jumped the fence and referees lost control causing the game to end early. Did that stuff really happen or am I reading this thread wrong? Thanks.

Agree w/FrodoNDN...the WR group seems to be missing that go-to playmaker. Last year, PN-G had three of them #10, #18, and #19. I hear the SOPH WR #8 might be the next playmaker like #10 and #18 were last year. I hope so. We need those kids that will go get the ball and then make some yards after the catch. Last year, #10 and #18 made amazing plays all over the field. Big shoes to fill indeed.

Will there be any dancing on the mid-field logo if BH wins? Asking for a friend.

Agree with Frodo NDN, #9 at QB1 and #19 at WR/Wildcat. #9 just needs some reps. He can sling it around the yard. Impressed with WO-S QB #17 and the stable of RBs. Nice mixture of strong runners and elusive playmakers. Also impressed with the WO-S Punter. That kid is nails...he can hit them long with a nice roll and he can hit the short chip shot inside the 5 yard line. Nice call on the fake punt by WO-S. Glad PN-G had the depth and fresh legs of #33 to escape with the win. Here's to a good two weeks to heal up and work on the passing game. Enjoyed watching the Indians fight back. It's easy to fold, but the Indians kept playing. Same for the WO-S kids. It amazes me every year. WOS keeps shrinking in numbers, but those kids wearing blue and silver fight their ass off for 48 minutes. Go Indians.

PN-G has size on the OL. This latest run of success for PN-G over the past three years is due in part to having some kids on the OL and DL with size and agility. One OT is a JR and he's 6'5" and 270-275. He moves very well for his size. The other OT is a SOPH and is 6'4"-6'5" and 260+. He too, moves very well for his size. Last year, Jansen Ware was an OT around 6'4" and 275 and he moved faster than any OL PN-G has had in 20-30 years. I have no idea what the families in Port Neches and Groves are feeding their kids, but the Indians have been blessed to have some big kids in the trenches. As for PN-G vs. BU, you can find the game on YouTube. PN-G controlled the trenches and it was not close. It was 38-0 at the half. While PN-G may not have the depth of 5A-DI or 6A programs, they do have the front line size to compete. Yes, PN-G's talent is cyclical. The Indians will not have size in the trenches every year. They won't have 6'4" and 6'5" QBs and WRs each year. For the past two or three years, the talent has been there. What BU needs more than anything is Ws. They need to play 6A teams, 5A teams, or whoever they can find where they can taste some success. Ws build confidence and BU needs confidence. Against PN-G it was 38-0 at the half and BU had no confidence. They didn't roll over and quit, but they weren't excited to be getting drilled 38-0. If they have a booster club, I'd go to the coach's video night and ask, why do we throw a swing pass behind the line of scrimmage when it's 3rd and 12? Why do we send in play calls to our kids with less than 10 seconds on the play clock and then ask our QBs and WRs to assess coverage as the clock winds down to 0? No slants, crossing routes, or combination routes. Just fly routes and swing passes. It didn't take PN-G long to figure that out. Schedule whoever you can and get some Ws.

It's the first game of the season. Both teams competed well but made plenty of mistakes that can be corrected. Fumbles, INTs, and penalties happen in game one. Potentially, there are 15 games left on the schedule. Get better each week and you will forget about tonight's mistakes. PAM's defense will be a nasty tough group. Talent at all three levels. The big guy in the middle and the tall DE are disruptive. Look at your positives instead of the negatives in game one. PAM fans could be married to Halle Berry and would complain that she can't cook. For the good guys wearing purple, I see lots of positives and things to build on. PN-G's defense should be a good group again this year. The offense will find its groove. PAM had a lot to do with PN-G's stalled offense tonight. Keep the rivalry going. Every year these teams should play. Clean game tonight...no cheap shots...just good physical and fast football. Let's go Indians...lots of good things to build on.

No, I did not. I have a good friend that lives in Groves. He told me that 2023 should be another good year for PN-G. The Indians will again have big agile kids on the OL and DL, and Shea Adams will probably play all over the field, which is a good thing because when the ball is in his hands, good things happen. I've read on this message board and on the PN-G board that the Indians have a young QB that can run and throw. #33 returns at RB and last year he proved that he can carry the load. Give DC McDaniel another big DL and more high energy kids at LB and he will stop people. The defensive game plans he put together in the 2022 playoffs were the best at PN-G in a long, long time. Last year, he knew when FBM and SOC wanted to get outside and run, so he put a stop on the edges. Then, when they wanted to run a delay or RPO, he had our kids staying in their lanes. Then, when they wanted to throw, he called the right blitz and coverage. It was a great ride. The kids (and fans) had confidence that he would find a way to get the defense to make stops. Last year's tackling was better than any team at PN-G in the past 20+ years. Those kids hit, wrapped up, and got people on the ground. I'm excited to see if the Indians can build on last year's momentum and have another great run. The 2022 team had lots of good players. Talented kids + great coaching = good mojo and wins. Go Indians.

PN-G has been blessed to have a good run of talented kids with size. The OLs and DLs over the past couple of years and continuing in 2023 have had kids with size and mobility. Mix-in some really good kids at QB, RB, WR, lots of high energy kids on defense that were great at tackling, and add-in the great coaching and conditioning and you will win a lot of games. I have no idea what they are feeding kids in Port Neches or Groves, but the Indians have had the size to control the LOS. It's good times at PN-G. Enjoy it and be thankful. The good times and bad times can be cyclical in HS football. I agree with some of the other PN-G fans. Anxious to see how our Indians will replace #2, 3, 6, 10, 11, 16, 18, 44, 45, 48, 64, 65, 68, 72...lots of really good kids on the 2022 team. In the playoffs, I'm not sure any team had better LBs that PN-G (3, 6, and 16)...tackling like their hair was on fire. Go Indians.

+1...Earl Evans, Port Arthur Lincoln, 1972-1974.

Progress? Pictures?

Fire up Cherokee and give Coach Chris Smith a raise. Out of town alum and I am happy to read about the Indians having success in basketball. Everyone says that Coach Smith is a good coach and he is proving everyone right with Ws. I hope he stays at PN-G a long time. Making his mark and contributing to our core values of Honor, Pride, and Tradition. Go Coach Smith! Go Indians!

At PN-G, during 1974-1977, Coach Ethridge had talented kids and assistant coaches. 23 all-state players and several assistant coaches that left to become high school head coaches or assistant coaches in the college ranks. Kids like Wilson Weber, Kyle Aguillard, Richy Ethridge, Randy Ethridge, Ted Brack, Justin Eicher, and Robert DeRutte do not come through Mid-County very often. Very talented kids. Assistant coaches like Greg Davis, Tim Nunez, Bruce Bush, Paul Carswell, and Ken Clearman were successful at PN-G and they sustained success after they left The Reservation in 1977. You can find a video on YouTube where Jeff Powers productions interviewed Doug and Richy Ethridge about PN-G's success during 1974-1977, and both of them stated that PN-G's success was a combination of talented kids, great assistant coaches, and legendary community support. The core values of Honor, Pride, and Tradition, which have been taught at PN-GISD for nearly 100 years, also played a part. PN-G gets laughed at for being a bedroom community or cult-like for its commitment to its traditions, history, and core values, but all those pieces of the puzzle are what good coaches look for in a job. Coach Ethridge was elite before he came to PN-G and he was elite after he left PN-G. Regardless of his W-L records or all-time wins number, he was the greatest Chief of the Tribe and second place is not anywhere close. Another great coach that had talented kids at Hebert and West Brook was Alex Durley. He, too, had great assistant coaches. Combine great coaches with talented kids over in Beaumont, and viola, Herbert won and West Brook won...a lot. Durley teams played great defense, ran the ball down your throat, and they didn't turn the ball over. You had to beat Hebert because they were not going to beat themselves with dumb plays and turnovers. Dan Hooks...Cornell Thompson...Curtis Barbay...Steve Shaver...the list goes on. All great coaches that put trophies in the trophy case. Remember those French Buffs in 1984..."Solid...Solid as a Rock!" Those teams had strong coaching staffs and talented kids. I'm a Larry Neumann fan, too. He's another elite coach. I don't care that he never won a title. He was an elite coach. He also had an elite DC in Delbert Spell. Together they maximized the talent that passed through NISD and they won a lot of games against better competition. Excellent football program at NISD under Neumann. Very well coached and prepared to compete. What more can you ask for? I'd line up for coaches like Ethridge and Neumann all day long. Very similar coaching talents and philosophies - play good defense, take care of the football, and when you have opportunities to make big plays...roll the dice and take your best shot. I wrote a lot of words to say that winning championships takes talent + coaching.

Coach Gary Joseph looks great wearing purple. We need to send him some more purple and white gear! Just saying. HC/Chief Jeff Joseph has put together an outstanding staff. Coaching, belief, confidence , and yes, those Indians have a lot of talented kids, all that adds up to lots of fun and wins! One more to go! Go Indians!

Welcome aboard...happy to send you as much purple gear as you want. We could use some great Mustang mojo on our side.

Yes. I don’t recall any bad timeouts or personnel issues for either team. FBM called their go-to plays…jet sweep, QB read option, tunnel screen, quick outs, and the long ball. The PN-G DC stretched our defensive kids from sideline to sideline and the Indians ran all 11 kids to be ball. FBM #85 got loose on a long run and they hit a long ball on us, but PN-G was stingy on defense. It was a great game. All the kids on both teams played a good game. I don’t remember thinking, that was a coaching mistake or that was a bonehead move. As a PN-G alum, I am thrilled to see and enjoying every second of PN-G’s kids having success. Coaches, players, band, Indianettes, twirlers, flags, our beloved Indian Spirit, students, alumni, and fans are enjoying good times! Honor, Pride, and Tradition…We Are PN-G!

I don't think FBM was poorly coached. The Buffs made some mistakes, but PN-G had something to do with that. FBM had a good team. Their QB and DL were legit. JaCoby Banks was a fantastic player. #10, #85, and many other kids. The played well for the Buffs. It was the best, most complete game PN-G has played since 1999. PN-G is blessed to have a big and strong OL that has kids who can move their feet well and they put a helmet on you and move you off the line of scrimmage. The Indians have size and strength, and they use it. On defense, the Indians are playing their asses off. Whatever we are paying the DC, it is not enough. I'm the first one to donate $$$ to give that man a raise. He puts our kids in position to make plays and they make them. I could type the numbers of the whole defensive roster. They rotate kids in and out, and all those kids play 100 mph. Whatever they are doing, keep doing it. PN-G also has solid special teams. The kicking game, punt game, coverages, and returns have been outstanding. The kicker hammered home some great FGs last night. Tip of the cap to the Buffs. Their QB was tough as nails. He made good throws under pressure. He's one tough kid...made good reads and throws. That comes from good coaching. The Buffs had speed all over the field, but PN-G stayed in their lanes and got enough kids around the football to make some stops. The Buffs played well, but PN-G played better. Great game by the PN-G QB...big throws, composure, nice game management, and he's a great punter, too. All the PN-G kids believe in each other. Great coaching and belief is a magical thing. Good game FBM. Great HS playoff game. Go Indians. Peace.