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Maybe we should create a different thread for just the whoopings that everyone put on Baytown Sterling.  Then this one could be for the whoopings everyone else took.

[quote name="tvc184" post="1051130" timestamp="1315370838"] [quote author=panamamyers link=topic=87793.msg1051118#msg1051118 date=1315369418] Didn't Crosby just beat PNG? [/quote] Yes. And? [/quote] This early in the season you have little evidence to go on, so head-to-head matchups like that one should carry a lot of weight.  PNG played a horrible team in GP and a good team in Crosby.  Crosby played a great team in Montgomery and a good team in PNG. The outliers being the Montgomery and GP games, and the most important game then being the head-to-head. To put it bluntly, it's preposterous to have PNG ahead of Crosby right now.

Didn't Crosby just beat PNG?

I think it was 2001. Lee beat Sterling 62-7. I believe it was either 49 or 56-7 at the half. They had a running clock in the second half. Tate threw for 7 td's in the first half alone.  Lee(9-0 at the time) proceeded to play state ranked North Shore the next week at Dement stadium and got dismantled, probably 60-28 or something along those lines.  Lee just didn't have a defense.  NS had just enough defense to make it diffficult on Lee. That may have been the year that Lee lost to Humble in the second round of the playoffs(after working over Clear Creek in tthe Dome).  The years run together for me.  Humble REALLY stoned the Lee offense.  35-7 I'm remembering vaguely.

[quote name="cbear4" post="1050190" timestamp="1315270862"] 20-4A from top to bottom is more solid that 19-4A, IMO. There seems to be some solid coaches in 20-4A that prepare their kids very well each week even with weaker talent. There are several teams in 19-4A that have plenty of talent but are not put in a good postion to win, especially if the game is close. Just an observation and I wish it were not the case. I hear the Baytown area used to be crazy about their sports teams, but I think it will take some consistent winning seasons to get the mojo back there.The fans in 20-4A are crazy about their teams and I think it has to do with high school being just about the only game in town and get much coverage from the media. Not the case when playing so close to Houston. [/quote] I remember going to watch Lee in the third round of the playoffs against Hastings back in 1997 at Tully stadium.  The only time under Olin that Lee made it that far.  We filled up our entire side of the stadium, standing room only, and about 1/2 of the Hastings side.  Baytown used to have a very devoted fanbase.  I remember the season tickets we would get and the same people would get season tickets around us every year for decades.  I doubt if more than 9 or 10 people even buy season tickets now. Different demographic has moved into Baytown over the past 20 years.  They just don't have the same sort of investment into the teams. I want to say that they would turn out again for a winner, but I don't know if that is even the case.

I see where Atascocita had nearly 500 yards against SH. Sterling looked pretty bad to me. They HAVE to get the ball to Gibson more on offense. Throw him that deep ball 5 or 6 times a game at least. There s plenty of room for that type of play in that offense.  At least once every other drive they have to go to it. They have a DISTINCT advantage with Gibson going against any two db's the other team has back there.

Well they had 250 yards of offense and 4 turnovers. I wasn't at the game so I can't really say one way or the other. Lee has such a simple, rudimentary offense.  It reminds more of a pee-wee league offense.  There is no amount of deception or sophistication or continuity to the offense.  They probably have one of the top four or five skill position groups of any team in the Houston area on any level.  It's a shame that the offense has the complexity of the offense I ran on my Intellivision football game back in the early 80's. I guess I am asking for too much.  Any offensive mind worth his salt would have moved on along to the college game by now.

I assume that was you on Twitter with the updates? If so, I appreciate it.

LP 37-10 with a minute and change to go in the 3rd. Lee just doesn't have the horses to play with good 5A(or 4A or 3A for that matter) teams.

Maybe they are a powerhouse

I assumed LP would rip through the Ganders like nobody's business. I just hope that Lee is having marginal success at the very least on offense. Guess I will have to wait and see the stats.  LP is a very tough 5A team. 

I'm stuck here in Chicago for a wedding. Chronicle says 21-7 LP.

How far back is modern? Lewisville won multiple championships in the 90's with nothing but triple option, rarely threw a pass if ever in most games. Clear lake way outperformed their talent in my opinion. I guess that I just don't think it's wise to build your schemes around what is popular or what will get you scholarships.  Brett favre played option ball in high school if I remember correctly.  There are enough camps out there and 7 on 7 to get noticed even in a run first offense. 

I don't necessarily disagree with you that maybe this isn't the best offense for Sterling. I just don't think that the ability of the offense to get kids seen and scholarships should be the deciding factor on anything. If he wins, all of this will be moot.  No one has been able to win at Sterling in nearly 30 years. Clint probably wouldn't have been much of a fan of the current Lee offense either.  Who knows, Lee may have had a guy that could have been all world as n option qb under Olin that never got the chance because the offense was not suited for him. This hypothetical athlete might have had a scholarship to Nebraska or Virginia Tech waiting on him had he played option b instead of being a 3rd receiver. Just saying, this stuff works both ways.

Lee is much better on offense. They probably are about in the same boat on defense. LP could have worked them by 70 last year if they wanted. I can't remember what the score actually was. If Lee comes out and scores first then I think they have an outside chance on this game. I could see them fumbling on the first two possessions and getting down 21-0 after 6 minutes too though and then it will be a whoopin from there.

Brian Johnson moved out of Crosby and came to Baytown Lee for some of the same reasons. I guess if Sterling had a tall, pro-style quarterback in the mold of a Ryan Mallett, then sure he would probably want to transfer. That aint the case at the moment.  O course a guy like Vince Young would have wanted to transfer out of Katy so that he could show his own running skills more. You can't please everyone. The next time Sterling has a dropback passer along the lines of a Tom Brady come along will be the first, so I think they are ok. Chance Nelson is like a very, very poor man's Vick that has absolutely zero ability to pass the ball. Nelson is slippery and quick, but he's probably 5'9" 165 lbs. Vick is much faster and was probably 6' 180 at the same age. I just don't see any particular reason to like one type of offense over another.  If it works, it works. If Sterling wins 7-8 games per year and a pro-style passer happens to transfer to Friendswood because of the offense, then so be it. Andy Dalton had 3500 yards passing in his entire high school career.  If he had transferred to Lee he could have had 7500 yards and been a top national recruit.  He was an under the radar guy, because he played in a run-first offense at Katy.

lol I think I remember something fishy happening at that game. Is that the one in PA with Brian Johnson at qb or Lee? Seems like I remember Lee having a long td that maybe the guy stepped out of bounds or something. That was so long ago, tough to recall.

I dunno man. Wouldn't be much off a challenge or PAM at this point. You just want to beat Lee's brains in or something? lol

Is Crooms still coaching defense at PAM? I always have had a soft spot for the Titans., except when they played Lee. Hope they can put it together finally and get something done in the postseason this year. Lord knows they have the athletes. I think the x-factor for the Titans, more so than the coaching staff, is what it always has been with them, mental toughness. They have a tendency to completely fall apart at the seams when things get tough.

While I agree on the college level that you may want to run an offense that will give kids the best opportunity to get to the NFFL, I'm not quite as sure that it matters on the high school level.  You have to be able to recruit the kids to get a good college football team, and they may not want to go to a school that runs an ancient offense.  In high school, you get whatever kids live in your zone and you make the best with what you got, so if he thinks he can win with this offense.... It's not like Katy has a forward thinking offense.  They just stuff it down people's throat.  Haack threw for a little over 100 yards/game last year for them. If a guy is good enough to get to college, then he will be found out regardless of the offense.  The Demaryius Thomas kid from GT is a perfect example again.  Very high draft pick as a receiver coming from this exact offense that Sterling is running.    If Sterling had Michael Vick at qb, then every college in the nation would be beating his door down, regardless of how backwards the offense was.  The talent would shine through. Sterling just is devoid of talent on varsity at the moment.  I do agree that they should think about bringing the freshmen up.  What could it hurt? Get somebody out there to pitch it to that has some natural running ability. Oswold was what he was.  I doubt being in a different offense would have changed his ability to make a difference at the next level.  He was just a small, semi-quick kid that knew how to run the option. 

Lp 56 lee 21 That would be my best guess at this point. Lee is going to have to show me that they feel that they are a good team. Too much losing the last few years and they expect the worst. Lp is too big and physical on offense I would imagine Going to run through lee like Swiss cheese Lee can move on most teams I they can limit mistakes I Won't be at the game Going to Chicago for a week Going to have to keep me posted

Yes you read that correctly.  The Clear Lake offense. I would expect about a 56-7 win for Humble.  Of course this is not knowing a darn thing about what Humble has. Sterling has to find a way to get the ball to Gibson 10-12 times a game on offense.  Whether that means putting him at wingback or throwing it deep to him once or twice per possession.  He is their best player by a wide margin.  He can create a td or two just by being that much better than the guy covering him and out-jumping and out-muscling him for the ball. The defense isn't much to write home about for Sterling.

Demaryius Thomas from Georgia Tech caught 46 balls for over 1,150 yards and 8 td's as a junior a couple of years ago in this same exact offense.  Gibson has the exact same body and ability to go get the ball. You can open up the field so much more by requiring double coverage on a guy like that at all times, or else you just burn them deep for td's about 4 times a game and they learn to double cover him real quick. If they had Nelson and Mixon from last year's team as pitch options then they would be in business.  Of course they had them last year along with McWhirter, albeit in a different offense, and it looked bad last year too. I don't know what to say about it really.  A lot of high school football boils down to which team understands and executes what they are doing.  Look at Dayton, they look like they have oodles more talent than Lee did last year, but really they were probably equally talented.  Dayton just looks like a well-oiled machine, and Lee looks like a chicken with their head cut off when they run into any adversity.  Lee has not had success, so they don't trust the system.  Dayton trusts the system because they have been running it since they were 5 years old and they know from experience that it works. I like what Lee has a chance of doing this year.  The defense was extremely surprising to me.  Never would have thought they would have been making any tackles in the backfield, much less the multiple tfl's they did make. It just scares me to think about how bad Lee will be coming up here soon.  Lee used to get all those Cedar Bayou guys, but not with the introduction of GCM I guess.  Now we are stuck with HM and BJS guys and that's usually not that strong. I used to hate the idea of rooting for Sterling.  I hate the Cowboys, Aggies and Sterling equally.  I am starting to warm up to rooting for all Baytown teams though.

Good to see that it wasn't just Lee that had trouble with that Angleton offense. It comes at you from all angles.

I guess I am just wondering in general where the hell all of the talent went in Baytown lol Lee has some nice skill position players and a lineman or two. I can remember when Olin got here.  There was a year there in the mid 90's when we had a cornerback that didn't even start get a college scholarship somewhere.  Eleven starters on this year's defense, maybe one of them would have started back then.  Can't blame it on Sterling taking all the talent.  Looks like you can't blame it on GCM either the way they have looked last year and this. All the talent moved I guess.