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25 minutes ago, CS. said:

I've raised this issue multiple times because I believe there are documented and firsthand examples that warrant discussion. Dismissing those examples without examining them doesn't address the underlying concern.

One example I personally witnessed was two SOC coaches discussing their quarterback after a state championship loss. One coach remarked, "We ain't winning one with this cat. I hope we get [player] to move in." While a single conversation does not prove systemic wrongdoing, it illustrates the mindset that many believe contributes to the issue.

There is information available for those willing to research it. I don't claim to have every piece of evidence compiled, but it's inaccurate to suggest there is no basis for these concerns. At the same time, it's equally unsupported to categorically state that these situations never occur. Both positions require evidence.

From my own experiences around these programs, I've spoken with coaches who have expressed frustration over the competitive imbalance they believe exists. The concern extends beyond one school and has been raised in discussions involving programs such as Denton Ryan, Argyle, DeSoto, and South Oak Cliff, among others. Their view is that some schools benefit from player movement in ways that place neighboring programs at a competitive disadvantage.

None of my comments are based on rumors or what I wish were true. They are based on firsthand observations, conversations with coaches, and concerns that have been expressed within the Texas high school football community. Those concerns were also reflected in the anonymous coach responses published in the Dave Campbell's Texas Football coaches survey, where coaches openly discussed transfer-related issues and competitive balance.

 

You produced exactly "nothing".  

11 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Its my understanding that coaches may not check the box cuz they would expect the same courtesy in return. Imo that is breaking the rules. We could go back to the starting QB transfer from WOS to LCM and then back to WOS for his Sr season. Someone checked the box and he played JV as a JR. Nobody broke the rules in this case. Looking back now it was an honorable decision.

If the process has been followed there is nothing "illegal". Coaches can check the box if they want to or not. Even if they do not check the box, the DEC still reviews the transfer and can still not accept the transfer. They can also "accept" the transfer even if the former coach check's the box. Seen both in the last month.  

30 minutes ago, CS. said:

Keep defending it,  Unbelievable. 
People are paying attention now.  People are watching rosters and grade classification.  It's only a matter of time before their scam is up. 

What scam? Just making allegations does not make it true. Understanding that you want it to be true. Feel free to tell us exactly what rule was broken. 

2 hours ago, aki1994 said:

You know this does not happen. SOC brings in kids every year from outside the district. I will wait while you name me one that sat a year. 

Isaiah Udom played for Mansfield his sophomore year then started for SOC his junior year. I am sure he moved from an A rated school district to a school with historically poor academics and a 97% poverty level because of something other than football. There are two to three every year. Show me one that sat out.  

Every player that transfers goes through the same PAPF process. That is not debatable. 

11 minutes ago, CS. said:

That is the understanding of how it's supposed to work in an honest process.  You're assuming everyone is honest, which in itself is naive. 

They are NOT honest.  They are constantly using loopholes and skirting the rules.  This isn't assumption, it's 100% happening.  It's worse in Dallas than any other Region.  I have known many coaches and players in that entire Region - they know it's happening and they know nothing will be done.  You can continue to assume everyone is honest.  I can tell you that I've seen it happen to schools that didn't deserve it, while other schools benefitted from it. One example is a smaller 5A-D2 school at the time had the horses to make a run but the QB decided to go to a larger school with more notoriety.  That left the smaller school with a QB that didn't quite have the ability to take them where they probably would have gone.  That transfer was not an honest one and neither are the majority.

That is the same for all schools regardless. Open enrollment is irrelevant. It does help stock up the lower grades. 

16 minutes ago, CS. said:

Yikes. There is no possible way you believe what you just typed.  Head in the sand.  Keep on keepin on, my guy. 

Admitting a student to the school does not make them eligible for varsity sports. To be eligible they must live in the district and go through the PAPF process. Is that your understanding?

Just now, CS. said:

If you want to play by the rules that teams like SOC and others do, I have no problem with it.  You want your kid to compete with top talent, great.  But that definitely needs to be addressed with a rule that the school must play in a larger classification congruent with schools that have near Unlimited talent with large enrollments.  If you can get recruits in every single year, you are now no different than the largest classification in the State.  That's how a 5A-D2 school has 20+ D1 recruits every single year..... suddenly. in Dallas ISD no less.  And they are not the only one.  Argyle does it.  There are plenty more.  It's not Rocket Surgery.

You cannot "get recruits in every year". They have to sit out a year unless they go through the exact same process that every other district goes through. "Open enrollment" is irrelevant in the UIL process.

1 hour ago, pakronos said:

There is always a way around things. These rich districts will probably buy bubbles  to practice in. So how do u make fair if one team has such facilities s ones that don’t and can’t practice 

There is no team that "cant practice". Worst case scenario is to start practice at 4:00-4:30. 

9 minutes ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

Ppl freaking out about this is amazing and hilarious 🤣 

I am shocked at some of the programs that have upended their entire process without understanding the actual impact. 

37 minutes ago, 1989NDN said:

SJ is an all-boys school with 1,400+ boys in grades 9-12. They are required by the UIL to multiply their student population by two to satisfy the presumption of an equal number of female students that would be present in a public school setting.  Aggies Are We is right...notwithstanding the enrollment numbers, the UIL requires and SJ had to agree to play in the highest classification.

For open enrollment schools, do you use the same rule...notwithstanding the enrollment numbers, will the UIL require and the school must agree to play in the highest classification?

14.2's post has prompted me to read about the select divisions being considered by some states.  That's an interesting concept.

Open enrollment schools play within their normal classification. Open enrollment does not impact UIL eligibility. Just because they enroll does not mean they are eligible for varsity sports. If they live outside the district boundaries they are likely to sit out a year. 

1 hour ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Pretty sure Dre'lon Miller of Silsbee, who was a 4-5 star out of high school, who just transferred to Baylor from Colorado, is not making $300-500 K at Baylor this season.

Could be wrong. I can ask his father to be certain. Talk to him pretty regular.

Don’t know the circumstances for Miller but I am certain of the numbers I mentioned for DLs. 

5 minutes ago, Cougar14.2 said:

Yeah, I'm speaking from experience of having buddies and relatives who currently have kids playing at P4 and G6 schools. IDK how much you follow recruiting but you can see on that list that even some of the most elite QB recruits in Texas over the past few years have already hit the portal. Pretty sure most would've stayed like the old days if they were being paid millions just to be a depth player instead of ending up at Abilene Christian two years after you make the Elite 11  

I keep up with it somewhat and have been privy to the conversations with current recruits. Baylor specifically said $300k range for DLs. Another similar SEC school said $500k for DLs. 

5 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

My current data shows 90-94 range.

Point is that a few degrees up or down can change the preparation for teams in the same area. Will it change things Friday Night? Not much. Keep the kids safe seems to be the best option

The current actual temperature in Orange is 94. WBGT is still at 86.0 as of 1:09.

7 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Correct but SA being 2 hours north can make all the difference. All is needed is a point or two from practicing to not practicing.

At this very minute (12:50): WBGT 86.0 in Orange, 87.5 in San Augustine. 

Just now, AggiesAreWe said:

I think it also depends on your location.

WBGT can be different in Orange Texas than in San Augustine Texas.

Not much. Generally the same climate less some of the gulf breeze and a little bit hotter inland. 

4 minutes ago, Cougar14.2 said:

You're not giving a 3* high school QB $300k a year just for his signature at a lower tier P4 school. He would be very lucky to get $100k as a freshman from Baylor. That's why I pointed out that even a high school All-America transfer QB from the SEC is already headed out. I'm sure he would've gladly accepted $300k-$600k to wait in line behind Lagway versus transferring to a mid-major where he would be doing well to get $50k a year. These teams have GM's now and unless you're a school with extremely deep pockets you're not paying a kid $1M to sit on the bench and develop. Long before a coach with his job on the line like Aranda gives an unproven high school commodity $300K per year to be a depth player they would just go get another one of these experienced guys from the portal like they did with DJ. 

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No offense, and I am sure you have good information but I will defer to the Baylor coach on this one. FYI, some similar schools have offered $500k to the same level recruits. 

9 minutes ago, 1989NDN said:

Should the UIL require open enrollment schools to play sports in the highest classification?  The private schools who elect to play in the UIL are required to play in the highest classification.  Houston's Strake Jesuit comes to mind.  SJ's enrollment fluctuates between 1,200 and 1,400, but the SJ sports teams must play in 6A.  Should the open enrollment schools be treated the same way?  Both systems, private education and open enrollment public schools, can cherry pick athletes.

Just because they have open enrollment does not mean a player can play the first year he arrives. Still has to follow UIL transfer guidelines the same as if it were closed enrollment. 

1 hour ago, Cougar14.2 said:

No it doesn't, the only player making over $1M on Baylor's roster is DJ Lagway who was a 5* coming out of high school and started two years in the SEC. The only way you get those NIL numbers listed above are to be an elite high school recruit or a big time transfer that produced at your previous stop. A low rated 4* or a 3* is going to have to earn their money once they get to campus. Prior to Baylor signing Lagway this year they signed Walker White from the portal who was a top 5-8 QB in the nation before singing with Auburn out of high school, he's already out the door again on the way to Central Arkansas. I highly doubt he's collected $300k after three years on P4 rosters.  

Baylor has had three players drafted in the last four years which is basically when the NIL era kicked off, two have been linemen. If you're good enough to make "millions" in the trenches in college you're most likely getting drafted. Outside of a guy Baylor is willing to overpay for in the portal from time to time to get him to Waco nobody they're willing to pay that type of money to would actually stay there because better teams/playoff contenders would pay more. 

If a player makes $300k + per year, what will he be in 4 years? Having earned >$1.2 million? 
 

Maybe Baylor coaches are lying to recruits? 

1 hour ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

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Definitely nothing official

I have monitored it with the HeatSafe app and an electronic monitor from one of the recommended vendors. Both the app and the device have been very close (within a point or two). Looks to me that as long as you are not practicing in the middle of the day you will be able to have a relatively normal practice. It starts to drop rapidly around 4:00 pm. 
 

Keep in mind that the temperature and heat index are not the same thing. I have seen the temp at 95-98 and the WBGT well below the danger zone of 92. Yesterday the WBGT got up to 88.5.

On 7/29/2026 at 10:22 AM, WOSdrummer99 said:

10am and we're in the red...

"2-hour max practice time. Players are restricted to helmet, shoulder pads, and shorts"

Coaches around the state are monitoring their current conditions and will adjust as always. No real threat of missing practice in November December because of this.

Hopefully they'll be smart and get the work in early.

Where did you see it was in the red at 10:00 AM? What instruments were you using?

48 minutes ago, kirkwood29 said:

Stepp and Tepper have Newton vs Hardin in the Regional Final for 3A D2 Region III.

@89Falcon @BBfan061  That's a little bit different from your guys' take, no? 

They have many takes different than mine. 

If they had placed a financial penalty on the contractor for failing to meet the deadline, the stadium would have been open. 
 

27 minutes ago, Drew Peacock said:

I’m trying to find out where you been at. It was in the black basically all day yesterday and at least 2 days last week

88.4 at 2:30 today

1 hour ago, kirkwood29 said:

10+ win season for the Hornets?  And will they get to Newton for a re-match in Round 4?

Might win 10 games. Doubt they will make it to the 4th round. 10 wins may ride on whether or not they beat Crockett and EC. 

44 minutes ago, WhoDat said:

Glad you brought this up. What is everyone's thoughts? I heard several coaches really upset about these new "mandatory" UIL  guidelines in regards to the Wet Bulb. According to the guidelines there's a very good possibility that athletes will not be able to wear any protective gear in practice or even practice at all outside after about 12 with this Texas heat. I know there are schools in with indoor practice facilities, but most schools especially smaller classifications don't. Many, I heard have adjusted to early morning practices to help, but athletes don't play games at 6am in the morning. The biggest issue is students may not be able to practice one day, but can participate in a full game the next day. So ultimately who's response for the safety of the school when coaches are not allowed to acclimate them in the afternoons? Makes no sense that a kid cant practice outside, play can have a competition when the temperature could even be hotter. 

The highest I have seen it get so far is 90.0 WBGT. Started dropping to 88.7 around 4:30.