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1 hour ago, kirkwood29 said:

Chavis Gregory? 

Chavis McCollister from Tenaha.

43 minutes ago, Setx fan said:

Really good high school players sometimes don't receive D1 offers for different reasons. Some don't show up at as many camps as others and when they do they might have a bad day at the camp and not look that impressive. Some don't participate in powerlifting and track events that some scouts use to verify strength and speed. Some don't have a lot of film readily available. Some just don't fit the "measurables" that scouts look for at certain positions. Some have bad grades or test scores. Lot of things have to get checked off for D1 offers most times and the best 3A high school players don't always hit all the checks. I'm sure Jones can play somewhere although it may not be D1 and who's to say he doesn't end up at a D1 after a couple years at a juco or D3. It's happened before  

Josh Allen is a good example.

5 minutes ago, kirkwood29 said:

I dont disagree with this statement.  In the same breath, I can give you a list of "player" who received D1 offer and was not voted as the District MVP unanimously by every coach.   Yet, the MVP will be sitting at home next fall and the "second place guy" is going to be suiting it up for a local D1.  So, Yes, i completely understand your sentiment. 

OL particularly receive offers based upon “size” and nothing else. 

3 minutes ago, kirkwood29 said:

I dont disagree with this statement.  In the same breath, I can give you a list of "player" who received D1 offer and was not voted as the District MVP unanimously by every coach.   Yet, the MVP will be sitting at home next fall and the "second place guy" is going to be suiting it up for a local D1.  So, Yes, i completely understand your sentiment. 

Has happened both ways. Many people would rate Chavis McCollister among the greatest high school players of all time. Yet, he received little to no college interest.

Just now, BBtater984 said:

Or you could shorten it to... "me" and then we will all know that you are referring to your pathetic, little self. 

Ok, I will do that.

11 minutes ago, BBtater984 said:

The only person who is hurt is obviously you. Cause only a pathetic, little man would use the word pathetic to describe kids and their abilities... names or no names. 

Thanks for the illuminating response. I have just had an epiphany. From this point forward I will no longer utilize the word “pathetic”. I will now utilize: “completely incompetent on a football field”. 

6 minutes ago, BBtater984 said:

Only thing pathetic is your use of the word pathetic when talking about kids... 14, 15, 16, 17 year-old kids! Makes you sound like a pathetic, little, little man.

Cry me a river. No kids are named and no one is hurt.

10 minutes ago, kirkwood29 said:

Colleges disagree with you, as best player on one side of the ball has already been offered by 3 colleges as a junior and Jones isn't playing college football next year.  Lots of talent in the young man, but we both know what makes that offense go 

Now, who will fill the void of Jones?  That's a great question?

What colleges do is not relevant to high school performance. I could give you a list of players holding D1 offers that are borderline pathetic.

9 hours ago, Setx fan said:

Newton actually lost a lot up front to graduation so the match up between Newton and Woodville could be a little closer this year depending on a few variables, the main being coaching. Woodville will probably have more overall team speed but then again KJ and Izayah will probably be a handful by themselves so we'll find out soon enough 

It will not matter what Newton lost up front. WV will be non-competitive.

39 minutes ago, Setx fan said:

QB from Woodville moved. Hardin still not going to beat Woodville. It could be competitive with Hardin's size and experience up front though. Think they return 3 or 4 from the OLine and got a 350 pound move in from Liberty to add to that 

Hardin will beat the brakes off WV. WV is about to be a dumpster fire. Fortunately, outside of Newton and Hardin, the district is utterly pathetic. 

5 minutes ago, setxathlete14 said:

This could be a very unpopular take and opinion but..... The RB they have saved that man's job.  Tone setter.

So, it takes "talent" to win? and "special talent" to win big? 

57 minutes ago, Slim Charles said:

Thank you for your input Coach Crumedy (or is it Mrs. Crumedy?). Sorry it didn't work out for you here in Jasper😄. 

I imagine Crumedy is perfectly happy at the moment. 

To the dismay of WOS little league coaches and fans. 

1 hour ago, Setx fan said:

Hopefully everything works out. Head coach has to believe in his guys to have a chance though. I assumed he might have looked into all that before he took the job. Maybe not

He did. Jasper situation is no secret. Sometimes coaches take jobs based upon future projections and not what is immediately possible. 

1 hour ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Yall act like he's a 1st year coach from a rival school. He'll have multiple programs in the playoffs soon. 

Go to 31:22

 

 

Who said anything about coaching ability? Pretty certain the post was regarding “talent level”. He may very well have “several programs in the playoffs” in the future. 2026 football will not be one of them.

9 minutes ago, Dawgsfan said:

They may have made a huge mistake.  Like I said, Foreman wasn't impressed with the current talent and even tried to get the person who transferred out back multiple times.  I hear Foreman's son can run and will be coming so that will be good for the team.  

Let's talk about what's good for all of the boys.  I haven't heard of Foreman going walk the halls and supporting administration yet.  Also heard head basketball coach wants out.  Let's see if Foreman will only be focused on football or will do good by all of the sports.  He's aligning himself with some questionable people in the community already.

He wasn’t “impressed with the talent” for good reason. The 2027 class is horrible beyond all belief. He will need to weather the storm this coming year and try to get the foundation in place to build from in the future. 

56 minutes ago, pine curtain said:

Looks like the school board ran off another head coach in Jasper.

First football now baseball........

I imagine the AD got rid of him. Probably bringing in his people. Fairly normal. 

24 minutes ago, Reagan said:

With being in the district with Newton and Woodville, there will be challenges for them. 

Not from WV.

2 hours ago, BBtater984 said:

That statement, sarcastic as it may be, proves my point and what everyone is thinking.

The loudest person in the room is usually the person with the least to say.

And yet here you are, unsolicited and fully engaged in the discussion. What does that say about you? 

1 hour ago, BBtater984 said:

You are most definitely the type of person who has to get the last word... the kind of person who is not big enough to walk away without getting the last word. And if you don't get the last word, you stomp your feet while walking away. 

Thank you for the compliment. It means a lot to me. I take great pride in being the smartest contributor to this forum. 

32 minutes ago, wo-s#1 said:

Not to get you two distracted but just know we all here to find who gets the last word and wins the battle of the know it alls!!

I am expecting him to concede very soon. Will be hard to continue with the recent trend. 

6 hours ago, oldschool2 said:

I chose 60k and 53k respectively because the line between lower class and middle class in Texas is 53k.. according to a quick google search.  I figured the average income should be slightly higher (on average) in suburban/urban areas.  Which is why I chose 60k for the 6A/5A/4A marker.  Was I wrong in thinking that?  Use a different number if you want.  Use 70k.. or 80k.. or 100k.  Do you think the percentage of schools that have a successful football season will go up or down with the increase of that household income?

That was rhetorical.  Of the schools in a district/town with an average household income of 100k or more, 100% of them had a winning football season.  Every. Single. One. 

Median household income in Texas is currently at $79k. You can draw no conclusions without a total number of districts in each income bracket. If there are 30 in one range and 50 in another range then you would expect to see more from the range with 50. 
 

A “numbers guy” should understand this beforehand. 
 

Also, does “every single one” mean: “not nearly all of them”? Exceeding poorly thought out comment. Grapevine, Katy Taylor, Flower Mound, Kingwood, VR Eaton, Northwest, on and on as far as you want to go.

1 hour ago, oldschool2 said:

There are 96 schools that made the state quarterfinals.  65 of those 96 schools have at least $60k average household incomes.

I also comprised a list of all of the 6A/5A/4A schools in the state, along with their respective household income, and their regular season record for the 2025 football season.  There are 166 schools that have an average household income of $60k or greater.  23.7% of those schools (40) had a winning record (6-4 or better).  There are 84 schools in the group with an average household income of less than $60k. 12% of those schools (10) had a winning record (6-4 or better).

I also went ahead and did a list of 3A schools.. just for fun.  Of the schools that had an average household income of $53k (low class in Tx) or more, 77.4% of them had a winning record (6-4 or better).  Of the schools that had an average income of less than $53k, 33.2% of them had a winning record (6-4 or better).

So.. even though there are other factors and exceptions.  6A/5A/4A schools that have an average household income of $60k or more have two times the statistical likelihood of having a winning season.  And 3AD1 schools with average household incomes of $53k or more have a 77% chance of a winning record, compare to a 33% chance of those that make less than $53k.

Again.. I know there are other details involved.  But.. I'm a numbers guy.  And these numbers tell a story.

Understood that you are a "numbers guy". You believe that a combined household income of $60k (two parent making 30k each) is significantly different than $50k (two parents making $25k each) and offers an athletic advantage. 

Also being a "numbers guy", you should know that no statistical conclusion can be made without simultaneously showing the numbers for all districts in Texas that did not make it to the semi-finals or without identifying how many districts are within each threshold. Example: What is the number of schools in Texas below $50k median income in Texas vs those $50-60k, above $60k.

Or, "how many schools in Texas are above/below whatever range you choose to consider". 

4 hours ago, oldschool2 said:

Here are all of the state quarterfinalists from 2025.. and an estimated HH income for said school district according to Ai : ($53,147 is considered below middle class in Texas)

Classification / Division	School	District / Area	Est. Median HH Income
6A DI	Allen	Allen ISD	~$128,000
6A DI	North Crowley	Crowley ISD	~$83,000
6A DI	Duncanville	Duncanville ISD	~$63,000
6A DI	Waxahachie	Waxahachie ISD	~$92,000
6A DI	Galena Park North Shore	Galena Park ISD	~$58,000
6A DI	Dickinson	Dickinson ISD	~$87,000
6A DI	Lake Travis	Lake Travis ISD	~$148,000
6A DI	San Antonio Johnson	North East ISD	~$78,000
6A DII	Southlake Carroll	Carroll ISD	~$250,000+
6A DII	Denton Guyer	Denton ISD	~$89,000
6A DII	DeSoto	DeSoto ISD	~$79,000
6A DII	Willis	Willis ISD	~$73,000
6A DII	Sheldon C.E. King	Sheldon ISD	~$66,000
6A DII	Humble Summer Creek	Humble ISD	~$84,000
6A DII	Austin Vandegrift	Leander ISD	~$116,000
6A DII	Dripping Springs	Dripping Springs ISD	~$128,000
5A DI	Aledo	Aledo ISD	~$126,000
5A DI	Denton Ryan	Denton ISD	~$89,000
5A DI	Frisco Lone Star	Frisco ISD	~$146,000
5A DI	Dallas Highland Park	Highland Park ISD	~$244,000+
5A DI	Port Arthur Memorial	Port Arthur ISD	~$42,000
5A DI	Barbers Hill	Barbers Hill ISD	~$108,000
5A DI	Smithson Valley	Comal ISD	~$96,000
5A DI	New Braunfels	New Braunfels ISD	~$74,000
5A DII	Melissa	Melissa ISD	~$118,000
5A DII	Argyle	Argyle ISD	~$147,000
5A DII	Dallas South Oak Cliff	Dallas ISD	~$61,000
5A DII	Port Neches-Groves	PNG ISD	~$76,000
5A DII	Richmond Randle	Lamar CISD	~$96,000
5A DII	Iowa Colony	Alvin ISD	~$89,000
5A DII	Boerne	Boerne ISD	~$104,000
5A DII	San Antonio Alamo Heights	Alamo Heights ISD	~$132,000
4A DI	Stephenville	Stephenville ISD	~$63,000
4A DI	Canyon West Plains	Canyon ISD	~$79,000
4A DI	Celina	Celina ISD	~$127,000
4A DI	Alvarado	Alvarado ISD	~$79,000
4A DI	Kilgore	Kilgore ISD	~$63,000
4A DI	Fort Bend Crawford	Fort Bend ISD	~$109,000
4A DI	La Vernia	La Vernia ISD	~$95,000
4A DI	Comal Davenport	Comal ISD	~$96,000
4A DII	Brock	Brock ISD	~$101,000
4A DII	Midland Greenwood	Greenwood ISD	~$97,000
4A DII	Carthage	Carthage ISD	~$56,000
4A DII	Athens	Athens ISD	~$54,000
4A DII	West Orange-Stark	West Orange-Cove CISD	~$55,000
4A DII	Waco La Vega	La Vega ISD	~$58,000
4A DII	Sinton	Sinton ISD	~$67,000
4A DII	Cuero	Cuero ISD	~$59,000
3A DI	Peaster	Peaster ISD	~$92,000
3A DI	Paradise	Paradise ISD	~$88,000
3A DI	Grandview	Grandview ISD	~$86,000
3A DI	Pottsboro	Pottsboro ISD	~$87,000
3A DI	Yoakum	Yoakum ISD	~$57,000
3A DI	Columbus	Columbus ISD	~$71,000
3A DI	Llano	Llano ISD	~$59,000
3A DI	Edna	Edna ISD	~$58,000
3A DII	Wall	Wall ISD	~$92,000
3A DII	Idalou	Idalou ISD	~$71,000
3A DII	Gunter	Gunter ISD	~$118,000
3A DII	Leonard	Leonard ISD	~$78,000
3A DII	Newton	Newton ISD	~$46,000
3A DII	Arp	Arp ISD	~$58,000
3A DII	East Bernard	East Bernard ISD	~$82,000
3A DII	Tidehaven	Tidehaven ISD	~$63,000
2A DI	West Texas	West Texas ISD	~$67,000
2A DI	Cisco	Cisco ISD	~$53,000
2A DI	Hamilton	Hamilton ISD	~$57,000
2A DI	Axtell	Axtell ISD	~$61,000
2A DI	Joaquin	Joaquin ISD	~$50,000
2A DI	San Augustine	San Augustine ISD	~$43,000
2A DI	Refugio	Refugio ISD	~$63,000
2A DI	Mason	Mason ISD	~$61,000
2A DII	Gruver	Gruver ISD	~$71,000
2A DII	Stratford	Stratford ISD	~$83,000
2A DII	Muenster	Muenster ISD	~$89,000
2A DII	Lindsay	Lindsay ISD	~$95,000
2A DII	Mount Enterprise	Mount Enterprise ISD	~$49,000
2A DII	Bremond	Bremond ISD	~$48,000
2A DII	Shiner	Shiner ISD	~$68,000
2A DII	Junction	Junction ISD	~$50,000
1A D1 (6-man)	Rankin	Rankin ISD	~$81,000
1A D1 (6-man)	Water Valley	Water Valley ISD	~$64,000
1A D1 (6-man)	Gordon	Gordon ISD	~$67,000
1A D1 (6-man)	Union Hill	Union Hill ISD	~$60,000
1A D2 (6-man)	Jayton	Jayton-Girard ISD	~$56,000
1A D2 (6-man)	Klondike	Klondike ISD	~$59,000
1A D2 (6-man)	Richland Springs	Richland Springs ISD	~$52,000
1A D2 (6-man)	Strawn	Strawn ISD	~$55,000

So, what exactly have you shown? That “Onalaska has everything economically needed to be competitive”? Or that “median income is not a determining factor for success”?

13 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

I'd have to see some statistics on that.  I'm not believing that high household incomes doesn't correlate to money pumped into public school athletic programs.  And also.. money that it takes to put student athletes through offseason leagues/camps/training.  I'd never say that exceptions aren't out there.. but you won't convince me that the ratio of kids of affluent homes and kids of poor homes is anywhere near equal in total numbers when it comes to participation in year round playing/training.  There's just no way.

Not sure where I said “household income doesn’t contribute to money pumped into programs”. What I did say is: there are “many” programs “with money” that are in poor socioeconomic areas. The greatest influx of $$ comes from local industry. 
 

I also said: “for every successful affluent area there is another one that is unsuccessful”. The unsuccessful affluent programs are not an “exception” and the successful non-affluent areas are not an exception either.