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1 hour ago, Matthew328 said:

Agree that comes with the territory when you win....dont think the scrutiny will impact how SOC as a football program conducts business inside their 4 walls

No doubt. Increased scrutiny when players are shooting each other as well. A lot of programs out there where players never shoot each other. 

8 hours ago, Matthew328 said:

Death Row was a rap record label in the 90s...and yes their rap videos had guns in them (geez I sound like an old man lol)...but I dont think the nickname of the defense had anything to do with these kids making a poor choice...the defense could have been named Sunshine and Daffodils and they probably would have done this...kids do dumb things all the time......I had a cousin who got drunk w/his friends in HS (parents left them home for the weekend..not smart) and they decided to play russian roulette...luckily one of the kids who wasn't drunk saw what they were doing and put a stop to it

The defense could have definitely been named "Sunshine and Daffodils" but instead they were named "Death Row". Coincidentally, there was an incident where the kids happened to be portraying the specific imagery associated with "Death Row" and one of the players got shot and one got arrested (also imagery associated with Death Row). 

When drastic and violent events happen with your program, you can expect newfound scrutiny. Its all fun and game till someone gets shot.

4 minutes ago, Bansheefan said:

And it's not just carthage look what the only team from this area kilgore did to teams from that area starters didn't give up a single point  and blew everyone out it's not that way for all classifications but 4a the south is just way behind the rest of state most years 

The SETX 4AD1 district contains 3 schools who "opt up" specifically to avoid the 4AD2 schools in SETX. 9-4AD2 is one of the tougher districts in the state. I suspect that WOS has a better historical pedigree than any school you have named other than Carthage (perhaps Gilmer).    

1 minute ago, Bansheefan said:

Obviously you can as long as you come from the south carthage could have beat them 60+ to nothing if they wanted to Pitt played us more competitive then that and they were a 4th place team

Every week is different. 

Just now, Bansheefan said:

And when I say wos is average I mean they were not elite in defense offense or special teams I could see being weak at 1 or 2 but when u see a state contender you expect them to be at least really good at 1 thing and I just didn't see it  I think van Gilmer athens sunnyvale Pitt and Sanger could have beat wos

Understood. I think LaVega, Cuero, Silsbee, Sealy, or Sinton could all beat any of those teams you mentioned. 

2 minutes ago, Bansheefan said:

No team had to be great thats my point wos was very average at best yet that was the best to come from the south 

WOS was well above "average". WOS would have lost to Carthage or PG. No other teams in Region 2 or anywhere else were better than WOS. You do not make it to the State Championship being "average". 

26 minutes ago, Matthew328 said:

Death Row is just a nickname for the defense like the Chain Gang was for WOS, etc.....they've been using that for years but no one noticed it until they started winning state..

This is a simple case of adults making a poor choice to rent an Air BNB for a bunch of HS kids...the kids decide to shoot a rap video and play with guns that were loaded.....its kids being dumb....leaving HS boys unsupervised in a house is a receipe for bad behavior and they are lucky someone wasn't killed....

I didnt "notice" until I read a headline about a SOC player shooting a teammate. What does "Death Row" have to do with? Anything to do with certain types of imagery? Like rap videos with guns? 

16 minutes ago, Bansheefan said:

From what i seen friday special is not needed we had tougher district games then state along with pretty much every roundof the playoffs i honestly dont feel the winner of that side would make it out the 2nd round and thats not playing carthage or pg

PG played Carthage close. Carthage ran through every other team. Not sure which school you think is great other than Carthage and PG. 

1 hour ago, Bansheefan said:

Well after this game was said and done 4ad2 region 1,3,4  have alot of catching up to do im not sure a single reginal representative would have made it out of 2nd round in region 2 for 4ad1 region 3 and 4 is equally as bad if it were not for the teams from north that should be region 2 by location then they would be embarrassing 

Everyone has "catching up to do" to Carthage. PG being the closest this year. No one else in Region 2 is anything special at the moment. 

1 hour ago, Bansheefan said:

Way they played friday may should rename them the powder puff defense 

Carthage is a great team, and the program is unprecedented in High school Football history.  PG is likely the 2nd best team in the state. WOS is "as good" or "better" than any other 4AD2 team in the state. 

1 hour ago, wo-s#1 said:

Losing pretty much the entire line will be tough to replace,a couple guys back is about all.

But you got the big guns back. Should be hard to handle. 

Great season WOS and great job of representing 9-4A D2. WOS likely to be even better next year. 

20 hours ago, Little Jerry said:

Edwards has been injured on/off all season and read where he was banged up coming into this game. Not needed much today. This could have been a lot worse. Like Newton, can't go to Arlington with a 1 dimensional offense 3A and up. Get away with it in 2A, but not 3A+. WOS played as good as they could. This was not going to be a close game. 

Im a betting rooster and I would bet Surratt leaves. Which college assistant job he takes? IDK. But 11 rings. Incredible. 

"1 dimensional offenses" work pretty good at the college level. 

1 hour ago, Kegger said:

I’ll tell you right now one guy that has been a huge part of Coach Miller’s success at Spring and Willis is Coach Fitzgerald OC/OL/AHC. Lots of wins and he knows Miller’s offense! He’d be a great hire

 

Pretty sure his son will be the new HC. That was the plan when he took the job. Unless something changed and the decided they want to go a different route. 

I have always heard that the original plan was for his son to take over after they got it started. I suspect that is the current plan (unless something changed). 

8 minutes ago, wo-s#1 said:

Not to these young men that’s been busting ass since then,that’s where the fire was lit and the dream of this week started 

It definitely is good for kids to have something to do but it is irrelevant for Varsity programs. 

33 minutes ago, setxathlete14 said:

Maybe im not explaining it that well. Which cant be a surprise lol

 

Administration has little if any effect on those lil mustangs flag peewee junior tackle etc level. Thats starts with what I stated above. Community. Culture has already been established YEARS ago. Talent has never been a problem. Difference is the generations working hard teaching the kids the standard and history before they even make it to school.

Little league is irrelevant. I am aware that many little league folks believe themselves to be Nick Sabans.

7 minutes ago, setxathlete14 said:

Great? Sure. No easy task to compete for a state ship...

 

The culture here starts in the bleachers. Uncles, cousins, grandparents. Community.... hard work and grit... established many years ago And carry true to this day.  Never forget that.

The “culture” on a football team starts with the coaches and ends with what the admin empowers them to do. Seen cultures come and go many times. 

40 minutes ago, Reagan said:

But not as the head coach.  There's a world of difference between being a good assistant and being a good head coach.  You ought to know that!

Definitely. Like I said previously, it is not coincidental that the job came open when it did. HH has done a great job. 

2 hours ago, mat said:

Talent's one thing. How many WOS games have you watched over the past few years? Since HH took over, there has been some questionable game plan changes and play calling that concerned some Mustang faithful. However, it appears HH has found/proven his way. We can call it a learning curve or growing pains. We hope this is the beginning of his Mustang legacy. 

I call it “having better talent”. He did not become competent all of a sudden. He is and has been fully competent ever since he arrived. 
 

He was coaching for a minute before he took the current position.

4 minutes ago, Cougar14.2 said:

And yet you just missed the whole point of me saying Crosby would be more competitive too once we had 2,800+ kids like Kingwood? I’ve stated the same thing every time and I’ve told you why those schools with smaller enrollments can be highly competitive. You have million dollar addresses like some of the Vandy kids or a large number of heavily recruited black kids like Longview does. If your school is 72% Hispanic like North Shore you better have a big enrollment to mitigate that or have a total football playing enrollment of about 1,500. 
 

The last decade of course we’ve had 20 6A state champions; Duncanville, North Shore, Westlake, Katy, Longview, Allen, Cy-Fair and Lake Travis. None of them go against what I’ve stated and none of the 4 state finalist playing in 6A do this year either. 

This fact that you had to throw Willis in there who 1) has 2,900 kids and growing fast and 2) was 12-20 their first three years in 6A until their enrollment grew and they could close the gap on schools like The Woodlands shows you can’t “give me a list” of elite 6A programs that go against what I said. You may not like what I’m saying but as far as the THSF 6A landscape goes the numbers are the numbers. 

To clarify, you are saying that in order to offset enrollment deficit you must have either “million dollar addresses” or “a lot of black kids”? Correct? 

8 hours ago, Cougar14.2 said:

Pretty sure I clearly laid it out why the enrollment gap was specifically THE issue. With Crosby’s demographics we need 2,800+ kids to put a product on the field remotely close athletically to the 6A schools in the area outside of Channelview, regardless of coaching. 

Last year Kingwood beat CE King by 1 point to finish in 4th place and of course playing out of that district made the regional final. Good program, good coach, lots of money and great ball-playing demographics but even at 2,800+ enrollment like Kingwood turned in on snapshot day, unless you have a super senior class like they did last year you’re going to struggle to finish higher than 5th in this area like they did this year even with all those advantages. They just can’t matchup athletically on a consistent basis with those larger enrollment schools. Crosby will be in the same situation until we have more football players on campus. 

And yet, I gave you several examples of schools similar in size to Kingwood that have been successful and are successful on yearly basis. 

FYI, you had one post where you stated the problem was "enrollment gap" and then you had a post stating the problem was "too many Hispanic kids' and "not enough black kids". 

***Could easily provide a list of elite programs to illustrate the absurdity of your race-based logic. 

2 minutes ago, #1stangfan said:

Lots of folks calling out the WOS faithful and anyone that was disappointed in the coaching.  It is easy now to sit back and call everyone idiots right now when halfway through this regular season the narrative was still holding true.  The narrative being that WOS is underperforming.  These teams have been very talented but there has been something lacking.

True, there is probably always a learning curve but there is also the saying “if it isn’t broke don’t fix it” that can’t be overlooked.  The defense went from being stout to Swiss cheese for a few seasons and a few reasons.

I for one hope that this season is the new norm and not an outlier.  Not necessarily saying State is the norm but back to being a force.  I hope the staff is successful for the sake of the themselves, players, school, fans, community and history.

I hope Coach Hickman is super successful going forward and that success is with WOS.

Been saying that about WOS fans since HH was hired. WOS "faithful" have been delusional about the "talent" since HH has been there. It is not coincidental that the job came open when it did. I "specifically" called this turn (on this forum multiple times) two years ago based upon the "actual talent" in the current JR class. 

The only folks who are unable to discern talent in WOS are in actuality, the "WOS faithful". HH and staff have been doing a great job since they got there. They now have a very talented group to go with the great coaching. 

2 hours ago, Cougar14.2 said:

Schools like SLC, Westlake, Vandergrift,  etc. get around the overall enrollment with 1) money and 2) they have Hispanic populations down in the teens. For instance Highland Park’s Hispanic population is only 6.1% so their football playing demographics are very close to 6A competitive levels for Texas. The higher the Hispanic population the more kids you need to be competitive in 6A unless you can mitigate it with money.
 

North Crowley has 3,049 kids but more importantly they have 1,706 black kids to go with solid coaching. That is an unreal amount for a metro school in Texas and similar to Summer Creek’s 1,722 but under Duncaville’s 1,888. With North Shore’s demographics they would suck at football if they didn’t have 4,000+ kids. If you dropped NS’ enrollment to Crosby’s and kept their same demographic makeup they would lose about 620 of their 1,038 black kids and not be near as competitive considering the talent pool where they get 95%+ of their starters would’ve cut in more than half. Desoto has a 5A enrollment but their school is 74% black so their talent pool is actually 1.5X that of North Shore. Very few schools the last 10-15 years have broken these rules. 
 

Cedar Hill is a prime example of what I’m talking about though. Stagnant to declining enrollment since their title game appearance in 2020 and are sub-.500 in the five years since. Not that having money or demographics mean everything but they’re hard facts to stray from when 6/8 teams playing for the 5A and 6A titles look exactly the same while the 5A-D1 state finals teams are extremely similar financially. Long story short, with Crosby’s demographics we’re going to need 2,800+ before we can consistently be competitive in 6A outside of the Houston and Pasadena districts. 

So, is the problem "enrollment numbers" or "too many Hispanic kids"? You specifically stated previously that the "enrollment gap was the problem". Now you are talking about "needing more black kids". What exactly is the limiting factor? 

4 hours ago, Cougar14.2 said:

Facilities may be responsible for one or two kids in an entire program choosing to come there as it relates to the schools in the northeast Harris County area. All of the communities are different so it’s more about where parents can afford to and want to live. 
 

Both times Crosby played Atascocita they beat them handily and the last time Crosby played CE King in 5A was for the 2015 district championship and we beat them handily. The difference is that CEK and Atascocita both have about 3,600 kids now. Summer Creek was also in our district and just turned in over 4,000. No level of facilities is going to mitigate an enrollment gap against schools with excellent football playing demographics and coaching like those. Crosby just needs a new coach and a few realignments to get out enrollment closer to 3,000 and we’ll be fine in 6A. 

Yes, all of the 6A schools with under 3000 enrollments have not been able to compete. The list includes Southlake Carrol, North Crowley, Guyer, Desoto, Cedar Hill, Longview, Willis, Vandergrift, Westlake, to name a few. Hopefully those schools along with "Crosby" can close the enrollment gap and find a way to be competitive in 6A.