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Be careful what you people ask for, you had a great President leading this country the past 8 years and now look at our choices.

I thought Hillary won.  She's a better debater and Trump seemed petty a lot, but he's done that the whole election period.  Mod had zero control and went after Trump more than Hillary.  I guess his questions didn't matter anyways because neither really answered them.  
Donald didn't blow up and say something too stupid, Hillary didn't faint on stage, so I guess it could be called a draw.  That speaks to the quality of these 2 candidates that the American people set the bar that low.  

Extending my hand to no avail.

And my ancestors that fought and came back from war to still not have equal rights

the only one responsible for this shooting is the person pulling the trigger!! 

your right, sad stuff. hate seeing things like this happen to anyone

the only one responsible for this shooting is the person pulling the trigger!! 

As a fellow vet, I respect your opinion.  We may not always agree 100% (neither do me and my wife of 48 years), but we all look at the world from different glasses, and those glasses change as we go through our own life experiences.  As I've said before, to my knowledge, our standing for the National Anthem was the only thing we, all Americans, did together - white, black, brown, Dem, Repub.  So thru my eyes, my glasses, I find it sad.  But hey, the sun will come up tomorrow, and I'll get in that foxhole with ya.  But at my age, if you decide we need to charge, make sure it's downhill.   

PAMFAM, good post, but my take is a little different.
KAP - Of course it's his right to protest, however, sitting out the National Anthem has nothing to do with how minorities are treated. It's like I refuse to eat popcorn because cows are slaughtered inhumanely. I feel he is disrespecting anyone who has ever served this country, including minorities, by not standing. It's his opinion, his right to do so.
RACE - Our history is ugly, as you pointed out. Its 2016. You and I should have the same opportunities, and be treated equally. If we dont, let's work on it!
ELECTIONS - Whoever wins, everybody loses... I'm about sick of all of of it!
Again, good post, and thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. 

The top arguments we been having are kaps protest. Race relations. And presidential election.
Im posting this to clear my views on the issues.
KAP PROTEST:
The first thing I'll say is I'm a proud American.
I don't care much about our founding fathers the writers of the constitution. Etc. I don't believe them to be Honest,Christians, or even to their standards good countrymen. These were mass murders, land thieves kidnapping Thugs in my honest opinion. So the National Anthem don't mean much to me as to some of you. 
But since a lot of you guys love the constitution so much....
How can you complain that Obama is trying to take away your second amendment and cry about it daily then turn full circle and try to take away someone first amendment to protest the national anthem. 
Ive heard time and time again how Americans are to soft theses days and always offended about something. Is it safe to say KAP has offended a lot of you.
"Oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave Over the land of the FREE." 1814 Francis Scott Key. 
In 1814 we still had slaves in 1931 when it official became anthem. This country was segregated blacks had little to no rights.
RACE RELATIONS:
1526-1863 -*Texas 1865 Slaves Property 
1964 Civil rights Act.
330 years slaves 151 years Free. (2/3 of that under Jim Crow)
1956 UT 1963 Alabama allowed blacks on campus ( other northeastern schools was way ahead allowing blacks in universities late 1850s)
Long story short if my grandfather couldn't vote. Or even attend certain colleges. Living in Jim Crow I'll assume it was very hard for him to complete with his white peers. My mom was born in 1962 making her the first from my family tree to live equally as her white peers (Jim crow still) have since  the mayflower in 1620. I was born in 1992 and is told whites have no economic advantages over me. And it's because of the failures of my own for our current reality. Then call me a racist or race baiter if I suggest otherwise.
seriously X family live free for 500years Y family lives under captivity for 350 130 sort of free 70years as free as X family. What family would you bet on to be more further ahead.
ELECTION : Republican will win.
not in 2016 but will win. Hillary wins you guys win2020 easily Trump win. Mid 2018 you all can just paint him as a liberal in disguise. Still win. 2020 .
 

As long as people don't own people, I'll be fine.

LOL.  All that to say,we have more jobs than we did when Bush left.

And let's compare it to the last Republican in office.  Oh i know.  We can blame his failures on the Democrats.  Right? 

I have voted for white males almost my entire life.

24 years as a cop working almost entirely patrol, and all but 3 years in a predominately black neighborhood.  I've never shot anyone. Pulled it up on the computers, and made over a 1,000 arrests alone, and unknown how many while training.  12 years now as a supervisor, and am I the exception to the rule, or the norm?  I'll give you a little hint with a big blue paw-print on it....I am your normal everyday white police officer just doing my job to the best of my ability.  
    BLM (Black Lives Matter)....they dang sure better or else I've wasted 24 years of my life.  This doesn't fit the narrative though set forth by the media and BLM leadership so go ahead and believe what you want.  The overall vast majority of police are tired, beat-down and mentally exhausted.
    Does our country have issues, yes.  Does this hatred and racial divide accomplish anything, No!  Where are our leaders that work on bringing people together?  This is not a "police" problem.  We can sit behind keyboards and complain, point fingers and talk about how each "side" is wrong. Or we can get to work.  Our country is just that OUR country.  I served in Desert Storm/Shield, and have served along all colors, several different nationalities and ideologies.  Guess what, we worked together.  We got things accomplished.
    If WE do not stop this divisiveness, we will get to a point where we won't have OUR country.  The wolf is always at the doorstep, and will gladly come in licking his chops to devour.  Humble ourselves to God, bow on our knees and pray for OUR country and leaders.  I am so sick of all this racial hatred and venom spewing.

My son is 16 and just got his permit. I had him drive down Stadium and go in some neighborhoods yesterday. He was waving at people as he passed. I asked him why he was doing that...he said "just trying to be nice".  It's not that hard to be a good person.

You have to admit that it is kind of funny when the king of conservative values turns out to be a creep.

This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up Another right winger, that was over a hate group but talks about his christian conservative values.
K-onservative     K-ristian           K-lan

they should be able to. But with my kids they never had to

She is married to one of the greatest speaking politicians of all time, maybe she will get a little tutoring 

Family. raising kids and providing a good family environment for your kids and maybe their friends also helps the whole community.

This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up To paraphrase what Matthew McConaughey said in, A Time to Kill, "Now imagine that this happened at a Hillary event".

It would take another civil war.  Not going to happen.  Our biggest cities (Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, etc.), with the most people (and most potential troops in said civil war), are fairly liberal.  Also, I'd say that the strongest push for secession is from the middle aged to elderly white male, the majority of which would be well above the age of being able to reasonably fight the war it would take to seceed.  Considering how great things still really are for most of us (sure my insurance has gone up, and I'm upset about it, but I'm not signing up to kill other Americans over it), you're going to have a hard time building an army of Texans big enough to be any real threat to the US army.

Take a look at the headline in that clip. "Hillary Clinton Reveals 2016 Timetable." Here's an article about that very story. Notice the date. It's from June of 2014.

This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up You'll notice that Cuomo kept making comments to the effects that donors feel she needs to jump into the race, and then talks about "freezing pockets." This was back when Hillary was the only presumptive candidate for the presidency on both sides of the aisle, a year before anyone else had even declared. What Cuomo's referring to by the "help" the media was giving her was the excessive amount of press coverage she was getting in relation to the presidential race because she was, at that point, the only person in the race, making her the topic of interest any time 2016 came up on any news network, whether it was CNN, MSNBC or even Fox. Essentially, he was making the point that because she was the name everyone brought up whenever the the election was mentioned at that point, she was getting loads of publicity for nothing, and that amount of press would have the effect of making her name synonymous with the presidency, which would effectively, and inevitably, benefit her later on. He was right.
She was getting the same kind of help Trump gets when the media spends inordinate amounts of time discussing every stunt he pulls. In neither case is the media making some kind of conscious effort to help one candidate, and that's not what Cuomo was somehow revealing. He was just remarking on the inevitable effects of excessive press coverage for one person.
Remember the old saying. "All press is good press." That's all Cuomo was saying.