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This ain't the one where I trot down field and look like I'm lost, is it?" - Billy Bob #OoptyOop

I don't understand your comment. I know it's football.. I was eluding to it seeming as though everyone makes all district. At least sometimes it seems that way.

There are a few schools in the SeTx area that surprise me every year that their doors remain open. Oh well.. I won't express my opinions on it, because it will start an argument. I digress. To hear that they'll be exceptionally bad is troubling. I just don't see how it does anyone any good for a school to get their brains beat in every game. That's not even remotely competitive.. 4 points? Sheesh. Whether Big Sandy is good or not is irrelevant.

When's the last time they had a respectable year? I think this has been happening for quite some time. Btw (replying about a different post), Goodrich has always (I think) not suited out very many.

Based on what I've seen the last however many years... if they started on offense or defense, they'll probably make All-District. Or is that a basketball thing?

LOL. I have know idea if these kids are football players or not.. but I've heard they aren't bad. Possibly better at basketball than they are at football. If you can believe that.

I have sources that have told me Kountze had a couple out. And.. HD isn't bad.

It's crazy what happens to schools over the years.

Shots fired.

It definitely makes that more possible when a group of 7th graders play under the same HFC through graduation.

That's the point that needs to be understood. Perfectly said. Btw.. like you mention, the slot-t wins a lot of games every year. Some teams simply need to rely on misdirection and/or easy to understand blocking schemes. It drives me nuts when the sideline coaches start in on who should be playing where and what needs to happen offensively/defensively. I mean.. so just become a coach if you're hell bent on doing things differently. Either that or let the coaches do what they were hired to do.

That's the first step to the creation of a favorable culture. Trusting that the coach is doing what's best for the program.. and that little Johnny would happily fill whatever role is needed of them.

Angry? Not even close.. I actually couldn't care less nor do I have a dog in the fight. I just don't really like reexplaining simple concepts. The team will overcome the main issue at hand (a losing culture) with a consistent head coach that is allowed to implement his program without parent interference. That.. is the real trick.

I have no idea.. and yes, I would think even an average to above average coach could figure out what system would suit whoever he has in the program.

NONE.. but that's the point. The offense that they end up running will likely be the best one suited for their players. According to the coached hired to do the task. So, making comments like.."well..a great coach could blah blah blah spread.." WRONG! It takes a specific type of skill to pull off an offensive scheme such as spreading a defense out across the field and using speed to gain yards... unless the talent is just so overwhelming to the other team that it doesn't matter. Case in point: Newton and WOS could undoubtedly run whatever offense they wanted to and still dominate their respective districts and even a few rounds deep. Lumberton can not. I can already see this turning into a nightmare situation for the next coach. Oh well.. seems to be the norm with teams that don't win consistently.

A smart quarterback with the ability to hit a target.. and fairly fast, good route running backs and receivers that can catch. The best spread coach in the world can't beat Alabama with a group of junior high girls.

Even a good spread coach needs at least a portion of a certain type of clientele.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for Coach Babin. Based on what I’ve seen and where he’s been.. he’s definitely a quality coach. But make no mistake, had they not dropped there would have been NO success in football. Keep that in mind. I’m not certain that they could successfully implement a spread style offense where they are now. They go back up to 5A it’s gonna be an immediate struggle. Comments like the one you just made: “A great coach could win at Lumberton using the spread”.. is the reason that the school struggles with consistency in the coaching department. I feel sorry for whoever gets the job knowing that there are fans with unrealistic expectations.

I would like to think that coaches use whatever system fits the talent or lack of... of the kids they have. I know that a coach is considered a bad coach when they don't win but none of them are trying to lose on purpose...even the bad ones. It's very possible that the kids currently at Lumberton just don't have the personnel to spread it out and sling it around. I understand that's what all of the sideline coaches want their hometown teams to do but let's be real. Everyone wants to go no back with some run/pass option but come on.. Why risk a 70-0 loss due to 3 incompletions and a punt every possession without burning any time. Even the offensive coordinator from Austin Westlake will NOT be able to do whatever he does at WL if he came to Lumberton.

It's laughable to think that a coordinator from LT or WL would make the difference. You mentioned two schools that have kids with unlimited resources and a community that NEVER has to discuss what kind of coach is needed to make the difference. Literal D1 athletes and future pro players. Plus.. I'll bet good money that their coordinators would rather stay where they are than take on the head gig in a historically failed football program.

I have no idea what kind of resume they’ll get. I’m just saying that staying open minded at a school with a poor football history such as Lumberton. I’ll wager that they probably go with the best resume every time. How has that changed anything? I’m not saying that a coach’s experience shouldn’t be a factor, because it certainly does, but maybe other details should be taken into consideration as well.

Um.. I know lol. That's what I've been saying and have said to be the reason that Lumberton will not get a big name coach. Even if they dump some money into an AD salary.. still gotta pay his assistants or they won't come either.

The teaching portion of any educator's salary is not a stipend. It is the base salary per the school district's salary schedule. An offensive coordinator makes exactly the same as a junior high science teacher for teaching (assuming they're on the same step of the salary schedule). Stipends are EXTRA duties. Coaching, UIL, etc.. Stipends will vary but yes, coordinators get higher stipends than just assistant football coaches. Head coaches get higher stipends than their assistants. Varsity basketball may be 7,000 while jv basketball may be half of that. Offensive/defensive coordinators may get 8,000 for coaching football while the other football coaches may get 5,000. These are all examples. Usually, if the head football coach is the AD, they will be on an administrator's salary. Usually negotiable. Stipends can be negotiable and extra stipends can be given to "sweeten the deal".. (power lifting, track, etc.) but the teacher salary is not negotiable. Yes, teacher pay scales will increase based on years of experience but it is not a stipend. It's just the salary.

I know exactly why he is making what he makes now.. I also know it's nothing close to what he made when he started. That's not what we're talking about.. I'm full aware that Lumberton will need to hire someone that hasn't yet made a name for themselves. I'm saying that Lumberton will not be able to buy a big name coach without competing with what big name coaches make.. which they won't/cant. Schools that pay less than 90-100k are just going to have to deal with the fact that they're going to get someone that hasn't reached that top tier status yet.

Oh I'm well aware.