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6 minutes ago, TheMissingBand said:

I value your perspective as an instructor of policemen. I expect you to be more sympathetic to the blue whenever any latitude can be given, but I still like to hear what you think. 
 

Can you give your opinion on the two Minnesota shootings? Do you agree with the tactics of the shooter in the first episode (standing in front of the car, shooting as the suspect flees, etc).  Same thing with the second incident… how do you feel about the agent that shoved the lady to the ground which seemed to trigger the whole confrontation? The pistol whipping, the celebration by agents immediately after, etc. Were these incidents handled “by the book,” or do you feel the actions by agents were outside the bounds of what you’d expect from LEOs?

The officer in the first shooting wasn’t “standing in front of the car”. He was in fact walking in from the side until she gunned it forward and turned her wheels. But even if he’d stood stationary directly in front of her while she was parked, his shooting was obviously justified. The second shooting is a lot worse. I still think it’s gonna get ruled justified, but it’s much less clear cut, and the officers did a much worse job before, during, and after the incident. For what it’s worth, I’m comfortable saying I believe neither shooting victim was trying to hurt law enforcement. 

21 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Justified ruling, well we know how the system works.  But, correct me if I’m wrong, she didn’t have a gun and she didn’t attack law enforcement.  

Capital police were protecting members of congress, and had barricaded doors and were posted up with guns drawn. An angry mob broke a window and she was the first one through, despite lawful commands to stop. Officers had no way of knowing whether she was armed or not, but they certainly knew she was breaking through despite their commands, and that if she led an angry mob through they could overpower officers and possibly hurt the people the officers are paid to protect. If she’d been a democrat a lot of guys would be saying she got what she deserved. It’s a very similar situation to this one, where everyone on here is saying “it wasn’t a great shoot, but if he’d just complied…” and what she was doing was way worse than what Pretti did. But even if you don’t agree with me (and the law, and the courts), what would you do if me and 20 buddies came over to your house and broke through your barricaded window and tried to come inside? You gonna let me get all the way in and try to find out if I’m armed? 

18 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Tell me about Ashley Babbitt!

Justified. Just as the Good shooting was. This one is fuzzier, but will likely be ruled justified as well, although it’s a bad one. 

1 hour ago, UT alum said:

Protest and die. The New Society.

More like “interfere with active law enforcement operations and if things go completely wrong you could die”

11 hours ago, thetragichippy said:

I’ve had a concealed carry permit for a long time…..I’ve never thought while carrying my gun I would need more than what my concealed weapon will carry.
 

I’ve also when pulled over ever refused to comply to the officers orders….where is your gun? It’s in my console. Ok, don’t reach for yours and I won’t reach for mine….deal!
 

I’m smart enough to know  it would not end good if I reached in that console…..

I’ve always got an extra mag or two floating around somewhere 😀

11 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Man, this rings of Cardinalbacker.🙂

Yeah, I’m having flashbacks listening to these posts 

12 hours ago, Big girl said:

What do you think about this guy being executed after he was disarmed?

I think you don’t know what executing is. But as to why he was shot, I know that one officer yelled “gun!”, and within a second or two of that another officer disarmed him, during which the gun went off. I believe the officer who fired the shots either saw the pistol taken and in the struggle mistakenly thought that the victim had pulled it from the holster, or didn’t see the gun but heard “gun” and then almost immediately heard the shot and thought the victim was pulling the trigger. I don’t think the victim “deserved” to be shot, and I don’t think it should’ve happened under these circumstances, but I do think there’s going to be a pretty strong argument for ruling the shooting as justified. It’s not really any different than a lot of the cases we see where some kid who’s afraid of the cops runs when he’s pulled over for speeding or fights the cops because they’re busting him on a misdemeanor marijuana charge. The situation escalates needlessly and all of a sudden something that shouldn’t have been a big deal at all puts a cop in a situation where they have to make a split-second decision based on the information they have and their reasonable belief that they’re in danger. Oftentimes when we can go back and look at it from a different angle (and in slow motion), the cop could’ve done something different. But they wouldn’t have had to make a split-second decision if the person they were dealing with didn’t put them in the situation to begin with. Sometimes cops get it wrong, and sometimes it’s still justified. I think that may end up being the case here. 

13 minutes ago, TheMissingBand said:

I hear what you’re saying. I can also see why some people would feel like the lady driver tried to hit the MAGA Agent standing beside her vehicle, and therefore deserved to die. But I have yet to see anything done by this man that appears illegal, yet he was instantly labeled a domestic terrorist, seditionist, insurgent…. Not by fanboys on sports boards, but by the head of DHS, the head of CBP, and numerous legislators. 
 

If you believe that you and i should wait for the results of an investigation before casting judgment, how can you support leadership who didn’t wait before defaming them victim and announcing that there will be no investigation? 
 

It’s like that movie “The Dictator,” except it’s real life and not funny in the least. 

I don’t agree with how they’ve framed it, but the left has done exactly the opposite in both shootings, immediately blaming the agents (despite overwhelming video evidence in the Good shooting) which seems not to bother you. So I guess your political affiliation determines which side’s posturing and slant is acceptable. 

Everyone else must have better eyes than me, because from one angle it looks like one thing and from others it looks like something else. I’m not positive what happened. I think the officer was able to grab his gun? I also think the gun may have discharged when he grabbed it, meaning the officer who shot could’ve believed the victim fired a shot. Hopefully there’s some body cam footage to clear it up, because even in the “clear” videos there’s a lot going on and it’s hard to see exactly what’s happening. All that said, carrying a gun and then putting yourself in a situation where you may end up in a struggle with law enforcement is not a great idea. In the same way that putting yourself in a situation where trying to flee from law enforcement leads you to accelerate your vehicle towards an officer is not a great idea. I thought the goode shooting was obviously justified and the officer acted reasonably. I have a feeling this one is going to end up falling in the “lawful but awful” category. 

4 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

I agree that they should have done more but not being there, I am not sure what. 

My issue with this case is that I don’t think it was a crime not to act under Texas law. 

I agree that it wasn’t a crime. 

Livingston 83

HF 69

7 hours ago, Big girl said:

So he chose not to go on and help those babies. Wth is he a cop. Wasn't there multiple cops there. They vowed to serve and protect.

I actually agree with you on something. 

Brook wins 68-56. Impressed with their team, but not their clock management. Up about 14 early fourth and rushed and forced several bad shots that let BU cut it to 6. 

would love to see someone who's smarter than me do some math and determine how much of that drop has been to Trump's immigration policies. it's certainly helped by 1) keeping both criminals and people who are often victimized by criminals out of the country, and 2) removed the same two groups that were already here

3 hours ago, thetragichippy said:

I did not go deep into the case, but to me, there is a difference between risking your life and suicide......

They were looking for a scapegoat to an impossible situation. 

 

don't really agree with you on this one.

1) He should've gone in, even if he felt it was suicide. Civilian teachers are making the commitment to do just that through the school marshal program. A veteran police officer should've never hesitated. If he'd died trying to save them, then he would've died doing the right thing.

2) This was far from an impossible situation. the shooter was distracted doing terrible things. if the officer had acted quickly he would've had a chance, probably even a good chance, of stopping the shooter and saving at least some portion of the lives in the classroom with odds far better than "suicide." 

3) he did nothing illegal, and they did use him as a scapegoat. I just happen to believe he's deserved most of the hate that's come to him since, just as the SRO from the Parkland shooting did as well. 

#dumb

Just now, LOUD and Proud said:

Wow

Ok

Kountze had some DUDES in football.....

They not playing basketball???

not sure. but their dudes that played basketball on last year's state championship team graduated or moved away.

21 minutes ago, LOUD and Proud said:

Warren beating Kountze.....

In basketball???

kountze is 2-16 this year. Warren is 11-12.

Haven’t rooted this hard for a team that wasn’t my team for a long time. The people’s champ! 

10 minutes ago, BEARCPA said:

I have 5 guns that were all handed down to me from my grandpa over the years. The Benelli Montefeltro 12 gauge Ducks Unlimited special edition is easily my favorite. Its too pretty to take out in the marshes though so it hasn't seen any "real" shooting lol. Not sure of the manufacture date off the top of my head.

yeah, i'll buy that one back from you. give you twice what the program is offering

3 hours ago, Old Ape said:

On a separate note is HF any good this year? I know their coach left to go to Porter. 

they're not bad. played a tough schedule so far. they're 10-16 right now, I believe, and 10 of those losses came to 5A/6A schools. A little down from the last few years, but like AAW said, should end up 3rd or 4th.

Pretty amazing to me that there is clear video of the officer being hit by the car, clear precedent and case law showing why the officer was justified in the shooting, commentary from almost every legal expert in the country saying he was justified, etc... And yet somehow half the country (including politicians and law enforcement higher ups) is still screaming that this is murder. 

13 hours ago, BC1568 said:

Just asking since 5/6 of their losses since football players got back were too 5a/6a teams.

not bad teams, for the most part. but the only schools that get leeway with their losses in the rankings are the dallas and houston area schools (and silsbee, for several years) who are playing top-10 6A-5A teams throughout their pre-district schedule. 

2 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I am watching the game. HJ is legitimately fouling.

Oh, I know. Just thought it was funny. Looked like Livingston got called for more most of the rest of the game