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2 hours ago, OVER THE HILL said:

i think the lesson was learned tonight.  We will see Tuesday.

Is there a magic lesson? HF is going to have to stay focused these next two games or they could easily find themselves with a 3rd place finish. I think they will beat Livingston at home but Huff will be a challenge at Huffman. They handled a Liberty club that they should beat easily. 

Good win for the Hawks. This one could have easily been a trap game 

2 hours ago, TxHoops said:

Whitmire.   Head to head, he’s outperformed him.  From the 2014-2015 to the 2016-2107 season (TJ’s sophomore year, Harper’s senior year…two of those included Grayland), Buna was either 4-4 or 5-3 against Kountze (2 of those years included a rubber match).  Buna shouldn’t have won more than 1 of those games, Kountze was way more talented.  I’m not counting the last few years where everyone owned Kountze.  

I think Buna had two brothers then named Conwell or something like that and a really good big kid that went to play football in college. They had some talent also. 

1 hour ago, Cardinal 1 said:

I agree, Coach Kenebrew is an upstanding man of God. He's a genuine man who honestly got caught off guard with somethings going on with his locker room. I have to admit I have been critical a few times of how he handled particular players and situations with them, that I really do regret, but I believe he just got caught off guard. I've spent time in the gym with him over the summer and fall ball, the guy has a great basketball mind and has made a lot of the guys better, my so  included. He challenged my son to be a better on the ball defender which was the missing piece to him getting his recruitment back on track. The next line of players fits his personality better and the have a great crop of young players on JV and varsity that will be there next year. Also maybe he does know what he's doing. The road to the regional finals for the district champs, barring upsets, goes through Booker T Washington (2nd rd) and Silsbee (3rd rd). Good luck to the Hawks 😩😔

I think the district champ definitely has a tougher road. Not sure I’d want a coach or player who didn’t play to win though. If Silsbee is hitting the 3 they are just on a different level not sure about Booker T, I haven’t seen them. 

38 minutes ago, mrtomcat said:

Nothing we have been warren for a very long time...which is tough but its going to have to be a culture change my friend

It takes time in the gym starting at a young age . The kids and the parents have to buy in. I can’t believe there’s not as much talent in Warren as there is in the other clubs in this district they just haven’t put the work in 

2 hours ago, P Harbor said:

What happened to newton and warren ? Newton usually has better record! Warren well I guess changes will take time to fix their issues!

Newton is a football town that plays basketball in the off season. That’s a good thing for the rest of the district because them and Woodville always have a lot of athletes. 
 

Warren just doesn’t look like the kids stay in the gym anymore. I saw them earlier in the season and it was clear they didn’t play much in the off season. They had some size and it looked like a little potential. 

2 hours ago, TxHoops said:

That’s fair and most would have him 2.  But I base mine off head to head and I will just say Whitmire has won some games against them Buna had no business winning.  Kountze on talent should have been well into double figure favorites.  But no doubt he’s a very good coach.  Somewhere toward the bottom of top 10 coaches in this area.  

Bryan is definitely a heckuva coach. He’s had some pretty good players also over the last few years. 

1 hour ago, UNT-AggieMan said:

Coaches can’t fix the talent level of the town……… it’s just not there 

I don’t know much about what they have walking halls but I know Coach Hand and Coach Carter won a lot of games up there when they showed up 

33 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

Solid coach who has always done a good job.  He’s the third best coach in that district imo but that’s only because that district is probably the most top heavy in the area from a coaching standpoint.  And one of those coaches has a lot better record against Joubert than he should from a talent standpoint.  

I’d have him #2 but that’s just my opinion 

4 hours ago, mrtomcat said:

he has been the real deal for over 30 years, since his playing days at hardin jefferson.  he's in the near 50 category...no longer a spring chicken, but he gets the kids at kountze to play very hard for him

Yes sir I watched him as a player as well 

3 hours ago, UNT-AggieMan said:

This is Nuts about a year ago people were saying Joub wasn’t a good coach unless he had talent….. crazy 

Not people that knew him

On 1/20/2022 at 7:21 AM, UNT-AggieMan said:

If the lions win this one this district becomes very interesting 

This district is already very interesting 😂😂. Gonna be 2 pretty good clubs sitting at home 

1 hour ago, BEARCPA said:

Yeah this all comes back to the coach IMO. Any coach worth his salt would have these issues (both with his team and their parents) straightened out before district play in one way or another. 

At the end of the day the coach makes decisions that give his team the best chance to win. No one in the gym wants to win worse than he does. The mommas and daddies are just fans and unfortunately some of them never learn that. I don’t know this coach at all but he has to be extremely frustrated with the noise from the bleachers. If you look back at the Horns season it looks like the coach has been looking for an answer that just isn’t there. With 3 district loses and a very tight OT win against Huffman it may be time for the Horns faithful to come back to reality. Some people seemed to think that this club would challenge Silsbee when in reality that was wishful thinking on their part.

Now that’s impressive!! Congratulations!! 

3 hours ago, Cardinal 1 said:

Nah I just have access to the game footage and look at live from a coaches perspective not a fan. And being that I've coached in 3 state title games at Tekoa, ran/coached an AAU organization that encompassed players from 3 different countries boys and girls, and have multiple players that have gotten free educational opportunities that I coached and trained gives me a pretty good idea of how to break down a game. Not to mentioned every main player on both sides have been in my car on our way to an AAU tournament, training, practice, or camp. Many of them since middle school. There's nothing I wouldn't do for any of those kids on both sides. Truth be told, my son spent more time in a HJ gym over the past 6 years training and practicing in the summer then any other 🤷🏾‍♂️. HF JV are mostly Fr and Soph. Their Fr. squad is pretty good as well. They have a few players that will make a lot of noise the next couple years.

This response pretty much sums up my position. Carry on coach . 

18 minutes ago, Cardinal 1 said:

HJ came out from the jump in an extend zone and played man halfcourt the entire game, they didn't change anything. HF just imploded. You only saw one angle of the game, not what was going on in the locker room or bench at the half or the game. As hard as it may seem for fans, as a coach I can tell you one player can destroy your teams chemistry and kill their momentum. That's what happened. That one player refused to dump the ball down low to the post, set off the ball screens that got shooters open, and took the ball out of the PGs hands. All that was happening in the 1st half which is why HF was winning. HJs press was ineffective when the ball was moving properly. Matter of fact that one player is the only guard who got trapped by the press the entire game and turned the ball over. All others passed out of it. 

Once again you watched a different game. I’m not sure a stint at Tekoa makes you an expert although you’re certainly entitled to your opinion. The trap that was used in the 2nd half was a different look and worked on more than one occasion on different players. Give credit where it’s due . With both teams hitting on all cylinders HJ has the best club this year. I gotta think these conversations make things tough in the HF locker room. On a different note HF looks to have a really nice JV club. Some of those kids , if eligible, could play on the varsity. 

27 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

I think Buna and ec has the better remaining schedule.

kountze has the toughest.

Yes definitely competitive.

Me wanting Joubert and company to have a bounce back year has swayed my prediction of kountze wining it…… lot depends on the freshman and whether not the three is falling.

the top 4 better not sleep on anahuac and Newton though

 

Joub is the real deal 

43 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

if No injuries/Covid. I believe kountze wins it……

I haven’t looked at the schedule but I think it’s gonna come down to who gets the most home games 😂what a fun district 

It seems like these game threads always turn into a discussion as to how HF figured out a way to lose. This one should be about how HJ found a way to win. The Davis’s turned the tide coming out of the locker room for the second half, Clay by making some big time adjustments on the defensive scheme and Clayton by filling it up from DEEP!! That was the spark the Hawks needed and the que for Sears and Melvo to take this game over. The Samaha kid as well as several others gave the Hawks some big time minutes off the bench. 

2 hours ago, Cardinal 1 said:

Blonde head kid scored in the first half. Only two players to score in the 2nd was #5 and #23, both had and 1s. The only subs he made that was bad was taking his PG off the floor for most of the 3rd and his best shooter #3 for the majority of the 2nd half. The blonde head kid is a shooter as well and should have played more. Our liabilities are 2 players who consistently refuse to play team ball while on the floor and who cause turmoil in the locker room by blaming others. The rest of the team leaves it on the floor, win or lose. 3 of our starters were dominating the first half by moving the ball and exploiting mismatches. The 2nd half happened because we had a 4th starter who was unhappy with his point production and took upon himself to change that turning the ball over 4 straight times and killing the offensive flow we had. He literally was HJs best player/defender in the 2nd half 🤷🏾‍♂️🤣🤦🏾‍♂️. HJ has guys that believe in each other and sticks to the game plan. We a couple players who will throw fits and/or yell at their teammates and coach if they not playing well or scoring. It's crazy! 

As easy as it would be to blame this loss on one kid that’s just not the case.  HF has players that seem to consistently disappear in big games. Last night was a perfect example. 

8 minutes ago, Jerry West said:

HF just ran into the tradition of a great program and an always well coached HJ team.  @Cardinal 1 you are all over the place.  Earlier in the year you stated HJ only had 1 player and pretty much stated the rest were scrubs/rec ball players.  I saw last night two teams, one being HJ that has basketball players meaning they can make adjustments as the game goes on.  HF has hoopers who could not adjust when HJ switched from man to an extended zone.  That along with a mixture of a team put together through recruitment can't figure out how to play with each other.  At the end of the day HJ will be good at basketball next year as well and HF well they will be HF.      

I made this analogy last summer during predictions and my basketball IQ was questioned😂😂

45 minutes ago, Cardinal 1 said:

When a player comes down 5 straight trips and turns the ball over because he refused to run the offense that got the ball to #5 and you sit your PG who is the primary passer on your team in the 3rd, yeah you will lose. We had 3 players in double figures going into halftime and neither of them got the ball within the offensive flow in the 2nd half because of 1 player and a bad sub. Your PG doesn't come off the floor, especially when he's playing at a high level, unless he's in foul trouble or hurt. He was neither 🤷🏾‍♂️. Him coming out hurt us defensively because it allowed Malbrough to go up against a smaller defender and he took advantage. Dude was balling! Offensively not having your starting PG in the game moves #23 to the PG and off the wing which is why #5 couldn't get the ball down low. They were running a high low feed with him getting the ball from the wing down low or the high post from the PG. They are our two best passers and playmakers in the offense. Take one off against a tough defensive team like HJ and your post player has only one entry point which is easily defended. You also take off your best shooter in #3 which allows the backside defense to cheat over and double team the entry pass or player once he got it down low. 10 turnovers from two players in the 2nd half allowed HJ to take the lead and close it out. #5 was the mismatch all night but if you have players that refuse to run the offense to get him the ball consistently, then he can't do anything 

I think the substitutions he made were made because the starters were out of gas. That and he was looking for scoring. The blond headed kid came in and hit a 3 but that was it. I think #23 had a 3 point play with a minute left in the 4th but the game was over by then. HF has defensive liabilities all over the floor. At the end of the day the coach doesn’t have but so many pieces to work with and HJ just has more pieces this year. 

21 minutes ago, no-look said:

Sometimes defensive adjustments will change course of the game. What works first half might not work the second half. 

Very true. HJ did a good of fronting the big kid in the post which made it harder for him to get the entry pass. They also were very successful with a little trap in the 4th quarter. Bottom line for HF to be successful #5 has to touch the basketball. If I were on the Horns sideline I’d make sure he touched it every trip down the floor. Kid is strong as a bull and doesn’t shy away from game 

HF lost this ball game because they got away from feeding the ball down low to #5. He is the best ball player on their squad. They also seemed to struggle with conditioning. They are very suspect on the defensive end. The HF coach made a wholesale substitution to start the 4th but I can’t blame him after watching his squad score 3 points in the 3rd. I would be hard pressed to question the HF staff. They have one of the best assistant coaches in the area. 

3 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Where is @Cardinal 1

😂