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pngfan1

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[quote name="bigdog" post="1173835" timestamp="1328665178"]
Try never.  Vidor didn't start consistently  making the playoffs in baseball until it was expanded to four teams.
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And that was actually the same time they got arguably the best coach in the district.
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[quote name="pngfan1" post="1192502" timestamp="1330969894"]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=92290.msg1173835#msg1173835 date=1328665178]
Try never.  Vidor didn't start consistently  making the playoffs in baseball until it was expanded to four teams.
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And that was actually the same time they got arguably the [glow=red,2,300]best coach in the district[/glow].
[/quote]Yeah I agree Rex is one of the best  ;D ;D ;D
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utfan1982

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[quote name="bigdog" post="1173835" timestamp="1328665178"]
Try never.  Vidor didn't start consistently  making the playoffs in baseball until it was expanded to four teams.
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Easy bigdog... From 2002-2008 (expanded to 4 teams in 2009) Ned made the playoffs 3 times, Vidor made it twice. In fact Vidor has made it every year since 2007 and in those first two years that only allowed three in... Ned was the team that was the odd man out.

No question that Ned is a great program with a lot of success but I would not be so quick to attribute Vidor's postseason appearances to the 4 team format...

2002 - PNG, Ned, WOS
2003 - LCM, PNG, Lum
2004 - PNG, LCM, Ozen
2005 - Ned, PNG, LCM
2006 - LCM, Ned, PNG
2007 - LCM, PNG, Vidor
2008 - PNG, Vidor, LCM
2009 - Ned, PNG, LCM, Vidor
2010 - Ned, PNG, Vidor, LCM
2011 - Ned, LCM, PNG, Vidor
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Bigdog

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True, and from '02 -'11 Ned has made the playoffs 6 times , winning district 4 of those years.  Vidor has made the playoffs 5 times with 0 playoff wins and would have been sitting home in '09 and '11 if it were still three teams going.  Notice that I said consistently made the playoffs.
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utfan1982

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[quote name="bigdog" post="1193744" timestamp="1331144042"]
True, and from '02 -'11 Ned has made the playoffs 6 times , winning district 4 of those years.  Vidor has made the playoffs 5 times with 0 playoff wins and would have been sitting home in '09 and '11 if it were still three teams going.  [b]Notice that I said consistently made the playoffs.[/b]
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I did notice that you said "consistently made the playoffs." Thats why I don't see the relevance of playoff victories or district titles. Like I mentioned before, Ned has done big things and is a top notch program. In fact, if this was regarding the success of the two programs, you would hear no argument from me that Ned is the better program. However, the facts speak for themselves on the argument of "Vidor not consistently making the playoffs until the four team format".

2007 - LCM, PNG, Vidor
2008 - PNG, Vidor, LCM
2009 - Ned, PNG, LCM, Vidor
2010 - Ned, PNG, Vidor, LCM
2011 - Ned, LCM, PNG, Vidor

Vidor [b]started[/b] their current five year streak in 2007 under the three team format. In fact, Ned [b]started[/b] their current three year streak in 2009, the first year of the four team format. Five straight has to be more consistent than three straight. Additionally, Ned missed the playoffs in 03/04, made the playoffs in 05/06, missed the playoffs in 07/08, then has made it in 09/10/11. Hardly consistent, from the way I see it. But now I'm getting off track also, as the argument is over Vidor's consistency and not Ned's.

Like I said Ned has been getting it done over the last three seasons, no questions asked. But pinning Vidor's success on the four team format does not seem appropriate, given their streak started two seasons before the change and has continued since. Its true Vidor finished fourth in 09/11 but that got them in under those seasons' format and many decisions were made knowing that four got in, not three. You can't say with certainty that had it been a three team format in 09/11 that things may have played out the same throughout the season (ex. who to throw against who) and the same teams would have certainly made it. They played and made decisions based on the given format at the time.
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PhatMack19

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[quote name="Bear Country" post="1195105" timestamp="1331326069"]
[quote author=spoonbill link=topic=92290.msg1195093#msg1195093 date=1331325093]
vidor just had a very interesting move in today...all i can say is wow...
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What does this mean?? Explain please.
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Well the district MVP from last year doesn't currently have a team.  I'm not sure how he would be eligible though.  I guess he will be next year.  ;D
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[quote name="PhatMack19" post="1195117" timestamp="1331326643"]
[quote author=Bear Country link=topic=92290.msg1195105#msg1195105 date=1331326069]
[quote author=spoonbill link=topic=92290.msg1195093#msg1195093 date=1331325093]
vidor just had a very interesting move in today...all i can say is wow...
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What does this mean?? Explain please.
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Well the district MVP from last year doesn't currently have a team.  I'm not sure how he would be eligible though.  I guess he will be next year.  ;D
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He graduated i thought?
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[quote name="Bear Country" post="1195147" timestamp="1331329288"]
[quote author=PhatMack19 link=topic=92290.msg1195117#msg1195117 date=1331326643]
[quote author=Bear Country link=topic=92290.msg1195105#msg1195105 date=1331326069]
[quote author=spoonbill link=topic=92290.msg1195093#msg1195093 date=1331325093]
vidor just had a very interesting move in today...all i can say is wow...
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What does this mean?? Explain please.
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Well the district MVP from last year doesn't currently have a team.  I'm not sure how he would be eligible though.  I guess he will be next year.  ;D
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He graduated i thought?
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I may be wrong about the MVP, but he was the BE Super Gold POY as a soph last year.
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[quote name="PhatMack19" post="1195158" timestamp="1331329801"]
[quote author=Bear Country link=topic=92290.msg1195147#msg1195147 date=1331329288]
[quote author=PhatMack19 link=topic=92290.msg1195117#msg1195117 date=1331326643]
[quote author=Bear Country link=topic=92290.msg1195105#msg1195105 date=1331326069]
[quote author=spoonbill link=topic=92290.msg1195093#msg1195093 date=1331325093]
vidor just had a very interesting move in today...all i can say is wow...
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What does this mean?? Explain please.
[/quote]

Well the district MVP from last year doesn't currently have a team.  I'm not sure how he would be eligible though.  I guess he will be next year.  ;D
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He graduated i thought?
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I may be wrong about the MVP, but he was the BE Super Gold POY as a soph last year.
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I think you got them backwards. but i think i know who you are talking about now. Tyler Smith was MVP.
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They are talking about the Duplant kid who transferred to Nederland from H-J last year. Completely different district race last year if he doesn't land at Nederland.  He was the best #2 pitcher in the district as a soph.  He was arguably their best returning player as he would have been their ace/3b and middle of the lineup bat.  Without him, Nederland has taken a step back obviously.  It's very unlikely he will play varsity baseball in 20 4A this year unless it's at Nederland.  No way Nueman and Robbins sign off on his papf.  This year's district champ will be determined the last week of April.
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