Transfers and high school sports

[AggiesAreWe]

2 hours ago, bullets13 said:

I agree with everything bolded.

As for the sour grapes, sometimes they're warranted. My team will never lose to SOC in a state final game, so while I have an opinion on the matter, it doesn't affect me the same way it's affected PNG. If I lived there I'm sure I'd be a lot more passionate about the subject. I'm also sure there have been plenty of sour grapes in Silsbee over the last decade when their basketball teams deserving of being state champions have lost out to houston teams or Faith Family because of a broken system. And i personally don't blame anyone from Silsbee a bit if they're still upset.

As for SOC, there's a difference between having done no wrong and not having been caught doing wrong. Is it possible that every D1 player that transfers in is doing so on their own with no encouragement or interference from the coaching staff? I suppose it is. But that seems unlikely, and I'm not sure how anyone could be confident saying that it's happening that way.

In regards to Faith Family, I think that's a case of apples and oranges. Charter schools should never be allowed to play UIL or at least have to play 6A. There is a reason why Faith Family no longer plays UIL.

As for the Houston teams, that can be viewed as the same as SOC. But like I said, the complaining still came from the losing team.

Personally, I didn't have much issue with Silsbee losing to Yates or Washington (we did beat them more than they beat us). I did have issue with Faith Family. They never belonged in UIL.

[CS.]

16 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

In regards to Faith Family, I think that's a case of apples and oranges. Charter schools should never be allowed to play UIL or at least have to play 6A. There is a reason why Faith Family no longer plays UIL.

As for the Houston teams, that can be viewed as the same as SOC. But like I said, the complaining still came from the losing team.

Personally, I didn't have much issue with Silsbee losing to Yates or Washington (we did beat them more than they beat us). I did have issue with Faith Family. They never belonged in UIL.

It's odd that you think complaints only come from the "losing team"  - Do you live in a bubble world where you only exist on this site?  Get out more.  I've spoken numerous times about plenty of people all over the Dallas region who are sick of it and not all of them are on the "losing team" which I'm still not sure how that makes it any different.  

They also are not at all different than Faith and Family.  It's the same thing to its core. 

[AggiesAreWe]

19 minutes ago, CS. said:

It's odd that you think complaints only come from the "losing team"  - Do you live in a bubble world where you only exist on this site?  Get out more.  I've spoken numerous times about plenty of people all over the Dallas region who are sick of it and not all of them are on the "losing team" which I'm still not sure how that makes it any different.  

They also are not at all different than Faith and Family.  It's the same thing to its core. 

I get out plenty and talk with many people in the coaching industry.

I know exactly how wild the DFW area is with the transferring but my point is all these players were ruled eligible by all ruling committees. 

As for the complaining. My point was the vast majority of it comes from the team who loses to the team accused of cheating. Is it justified? To a point, yes. But knowing who some of you are on here that have posted or liked comments on this thread (including you) and what their school association is, my point has been proven.

Like I stated before, policy needs improving.

[89Falcon]

56 minutes ago, CS. said:

It's odd that you think complaints only come from the "losing team"  - Do you live in a bubble world where you only exist on this site?  Get out more.  I've spoken numerous times about plenty of people all over the Dallas region who are sick of it and not all of them are on the "losing team" which I'm still not sure how that makes it any different.  

They also are not at all different than Faith and Family.  It's the same thing to its core. 

Fairly simple for the coaches who are “sick of it”: 1. Regulate it through their membership on the DEC. 2. Don’t sign off on transfers. 
 

**The reason they don’t follow these steps is because they have similar in their own programs. Every school in Texas receives players and loses players. 

[CS.]

1 hour ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I get out plenty and talk with many people in the coaching industry.

I know exactly how wild the DFW area is with the transferring but my point is all these players were ruled eligible by all ruling committees. 

As for the complaining. My point was the vast majority of it comes from the team who loses to the team accused of cheating. Is it justified? To a point, yes. But knowing who some of you are on here that have posted or liked comments on this thread (including you) and what their school association is, my point has been proven.

Like I stated before, policy needs improving.

You've proved nothing except that you're hard headed. And we aren't the only team to get the shaft because of teams like them.  and they aren't the only ones doing it.  All of the teams who have that special talent that comes along once in a blue moon will have to settle for 2nd or 3rd because people like you just turn the other cheek.  Oh well, they just didn't check the box.  

Cool.  Enjoy watching the same Dallas teams win every year.  That's what it's all about right?  As long as the Dallas teams win every year it's all good.  What a sad, weak argument you guys have.  Football socialism is what we should call it. 

[AggiesAreWe]

10 minutes ago, CS. said:

You've proved nothing except that you're hard headed. And we aren't the only team to get the shaft because of teams like them.  and they aren't the only ones doing it.  All of the teams who have that special talent that comes along once in a blue moon will have to settle for 2nd or 3rd because people like you just turn the other cheek.  Oh well, they just didn't check the box.  

Cool.  Enjoy watching the same Dallas teams win every year.  That's what it's all about right?  As long as the Dallas teams win every year it's all good.  What a sad, weak argument you guys have.  Football socialism is what we should call it. 

I am not "turning the other cheek". I said policy needs improving. Coaches and DEC need to be better.

But the bottom line is the players are eligible according to the UIL and DEC.

Football socialism??? LOL I think you are using the wrong analogy.

 

[Matthew328]

36 minutes ago, CS. said:

You've proved nothing except that you're hard headed. And we aren't the only team to get the shaft because of teams like them.  and they aren't the only ones doing it.  All of the teams who have that special talent that comes along once in a blue moon will have to settle for 2nd or 3rd because people like you just turn the other cheek.  Oh well, they just didn't check the box.  

Cool.  Enjoy watching the same Dallas teams win every year.  That's what it's all about right?  As long as the Dallas teams win every year it's all good.  What a sad, weak argument you guys have.  Football socialism is what we should call it. 

I think if you had true football capitalism it would not go the way you think it would go lol 

The process is imperfect because its based on human judgement which is imperfect and thats not taking into account the process where humans willfully aren't honest on the forms....BUT based on the rules today that opens the door for circumvention of the rules in place. 

If I were in charge I'd try to get rid of judgment as much as possible and make it black and white...no more transferring for athletic purposes questions on the form..its residency and residency alone...BUT I'd have more robust compliance arm of the UIL to check into residency questions and not leave that to the schools...

The only question is..where do I come up with the money to pay the salaries of this compliance arm

[CS.]

9 minutes ago, Matthew328 said:

I think if you had true football capitalism it would not go the way you think it would go lol 

The process is imperfect because its based on human judgement which is imperfect and thats not taking into account the process where humans willfully aren't honest on the forms....BUT based on the rules today that opens the door for circumvention of the rules in place. 

If I were in charge I'd try to get rid of judgment as much as possible and make it black and white...no more transferring for athletic purposes questions on the form..its residency and residency alone...BUT I'd have more robust compliance arm of the UIL to check into residency questions and not leave that to the schools...

The only question is..where do I come up with the money to pay the salaries of this compliance arm

Hire the Somalis in Minnesota.  They seem to be able to find ways to get loads of money