Tarkington is open/Jake Howard has been hired

[oldschool2]

On 4/23/2026 at 5:23 PM, CDub86 said:

Just looked up Brock, holy crap what a record!

The median household income in Brock, Texas, is approximately $95,876 to $104,443 per year, based on recent 2026 data.

As of 2026, the median household income in Onalaska, Texas, is approximately $51,912.

 

It's not going to be the same.

 

[89Falcon]

6 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

The median household income in Brock, Texas, is approximately $95,876 to $104,443 per year, based on recent 2026 data.

As of 2026, the median household income in Onalaska, Texas, is approximately $51,912.

 

It's not going to be the same.

 

Can’t base everything solely on median income. They are likely to have a successful transition if they take the approach indicated. It will wipe Coldspring out and will likely put the hurt on Livingston as well. Lack of football at Onalaska is a reason why many kids go to CS and LV now.

[AssistantCoach]

I wonder if all the schools around Lufkin and Nacogdoches will follow Onalaska and add football.  

4A Hudson

3A Pollok Central and Central Heights

2A Woden, Douglass

I'm sure I missed a few. 

[oldschool2]

18 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

Can’t base everything solely on median income. They are likely to have a successful transition if they take the approach indicated. It will wipe Coldspring out and will likely put the hurt on Livingston as well. Lack of football at Onalaska is a reason why many kids go to CS and LV now.

Definitely not solely on median income.  But it's a factor.. and one that's pretty frequent among football powerhouses.  There are very few consistently dominant high school football programs that don't have very much money in the community.  But on the other side of the argument....

Moneyball is a very real thing.

[89Falcon]

5 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

Definitely not solely on median income.  But it's a factor.. and one that's pretty frequent among football powerhouses.  There are very few consistently dominant high school football programs that don't have very much money in the community.  But on the other side of the argument....

Moneyball is a very real thing.

Programs with “money in the community” is different than “median income”. What do you suppose is the median income in Carthage, SOC, North Shore, Newton, Refugio, Franklin, etc?

[CDub86]

It’s official. Vindicator posted it on FB.

Coaches/People in the know, what can we expect?

[AggiesAreWe]

1 hour ago, CDub86 said:

It’s official. Vindicator posted it on FB.

Coaches/People in the know, what can we expect?

So what's the name?

[CDub86]

Just now, AggiesAreWe said:

So what's the name?

Jake Howard

[AggiesAreWe]

Jake Howard has been named athletic director/head football coach.

[CDub86]

Just now, CDub86 said:

Jake Howard

Former Willis ST Coordinator.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

56 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Jake Howard has been named athletic director/head football coach.

Was waiting. Thanks. I checked in late. 

[oldschool2]

20 hours ago, 89Falcon said:

Programs with “money in the community” is different than “median income”. What do you suppose is the median income in Carthage, SOC, North Shore, Newton, Refugio, Franklin, etc?

Median household income is generally used as a benchmark for measuring relative poverty.  I already said that there are exceptions.  You listed some of said exceptions.  Now do median household income for Mart, Brock, Aledo, Allen, Austin LT and WL, Katy... 

I think the comparison made in this conversation was Brock and Onalaska.  I'd bet a considerable amount of money that the median household incomes in this particular comparison is an indicator to how much money is in the community, how much money is paid in school taxes, how much money in pumped into the athletic programs.  I agree, it's not always an accurate representation.  

[89Falcon]

1 hour ago, oldschool2 said:

Median household income is generally used as a benchmark for measuring relative poverty.  I already said that there are exceptions.  You listed some of said exceptions.  Now do median household income for Mart, Brock, Aledo, Allen, Austin LT and WL, Katy... 

I think the comparison made in this conversation was Brock and Onalaska.  I'd bet a considerable amount of money that the median household incomes in this particular comparison is an indicator to how much money is in the community, how much money is paid in school taxes, how much money in pumped into the athletic programs.  I agree, it's not always an accurate representation.  

I provided some examples. I could easily offer a similar exception for every example that you believe to be the rule. Could also provide a list of affluent communities that are pathetic in football.

[oldschool2]

1 hour ago, 89Falcon said:

I provided some examples. I could easily offer a similar exception for every example that you believe to be the rule. Could also provide a list of affluent communities that are pathetic in football.

Do you not believe that the money put into sports programs have an overall more positive impact than those same programs in schools that can't put similar funding?  (facilities, equipment, training programs, coaching caliber, number of coaches, kids' time/ability to train, etc.).  So that doesn't matter because of some exceptions that prove otherwise? 

If that's what you're saying, let's just agree to disagree.  And in the case of Onalaska and Brock.. I don't think it matters how closely Onalaska develops the football program to how Brock did it.  It will not yield the same results.. or even close to.   Large in part to the list of things I just provided. 

[89Falcon]

27 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

Do you not believe that the money put into sports programs have an overall more positive impact than those same programs in schools that can't put similar funding?  (facilities, equipment, training programs, coaching caliber, number of coaches, kids' time/ability to train, etc.).  So that doesn't matter because of some exceptions that prove otherwise? 

If that's what you're saying, let's just agree to disagree.  And in the case of Onalaska and Brock.. I don't think it matters how closely Onalaska develops the football program to how Brock did it.  It will not yield the same results.. or even close to.   Large in part to the list of things I just provided. 

I am saying that money put into programs, often does not originate with median household income. I am also saying that for every example of an affluent area that is successful there is one that is unsuccessful. 
 

***There are few schools in Texas history that have matched Brock results. That is irrelevant for determining if they utilized an effective model for other schools.

[oldschool2]

14 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

I am saying that money put into programs, often does not originate with median household income. I am also saying that for every example of an affluent area that is successful there is one that is unsuccessful. 

I'd have to see some statistics on that.  I'm not believing that high household incomes doesn't correlate to money pumped into public school athletic programs.  And also.. money that it takes to put student athletes through offseason leagues/camps/training.  I'd never say that exceptions aren't out there.. but you won't convince me that the ratio of kids of affluent homes and kids of poor homes is anywhere near equal in total numbers when it comes to participation in year round playing/training.  There's just no way.

[89Falcon]

13 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

I'd have to see some statistics on that.  I'm not believing that high household incomes doesn't correlate to money pumped into public school athletic programs.  And also.. money that it takes to put student athletes through offseason leagues/camps/training.  I'd never say that exceptions aren't out there.. but you won't convince me that the ratio of kids of affluent homes and kids of poor homes is anywhere near equal in total numbers when it comes to participation in year round playing/training.  There's just no way.

Not sure where I said “household income doesn’t contribute to money pumped into programs”. What I did say is: there are “many” programs “with money” that are in poor socioeconomic areas. The greatest influx of $$ comes from local industry. 
 

I also said: “for every successful affluent area there is another one that is unsuccessful”. The unsuccessful affluent programs are not an “exception” and the successful non-affluent areas are not an exception either. 

[Reagan]

 🍿 

[scat_trap]

My thoughts here

 1) I hope he fairs better than the previous Coach Howard

 2) I thought Bass was brought in a few years back to open the offense up

 2 A) Bass came from PAM and that success really translated to the flood Prairie, didn’t it?

[oldschool2]

16 hours ago, 89Falcon said:

Not sure where I said “household income doesn’t contribute to money pumped into programs”. What I did say is: there are “many” programs “with money” that are in poor socioeconomic areas. The greatest influx of $$ comes from local industry. 
 

I also said: “for every successful affluent area there is another one that is unsuccessful”. The unsuccessful affluent programs are not an “exception” and the successful non-affluent areas are not an exception either. 

What I'm saying is that I don't believe it's quite as, "for every one of this there's an opposite of that" as you're inferring.  I don't believe for one second that the ratio is anywhere near even. 

[oldschool2]

16 hours ago, 89Falcon said:

Not sure where I said “household income doesn’t contribute to money pumped into programs”. What I did say is: there are “many” programs “with money” that are in poor socioeconomic areas. The greatest influx of $$ comes from local industry. 
 

I also said: “for every successful affluent area there is another one that is unsuccessful”. The unsuccessful affluent programs are not an “exception” and the successful non-affluent areas are not an exception either. 

Here are all of the state quarterfinalists from 2025.. and an estimated HH income for said school district according to Ai : ($53,147 is considered below middle class in Texas)

Classification / Division	School	District / Area	Est. Median HH Income
6A DI	Allen	Allen ISD	~$128,000
6A DI	North Crowley	Crowley ISD	~$83,000
6A DI	Duncanville	Duncanville ISD	~$63,000
6A DI	Waxahachie	Waxahachie ISD	~$92,000
6A DI	Galena Park North Shore	Galena Park ISD	~$58,000
6A DI	Dickinson	Dickinson ISD	~$87,000
6A DI	Lake Travis	Lake Travis ISD	~$148,000
6A DI	San Antonio Johnson	North East ISD	~$78,000
6A DII	Southlake Carroll	Carroll ISD	~$250,000+
6A DII	Denton Guyer	Denton ISD	~$89,000
6A DII	DeSoto	DeSoto ISD	~$79,000
6A DII	Willis	Willis ISD	~$73,000
6A DII	Sheldon C.E. King	Sheldon ISD	~$66,000
6A DII	Humble Summer Creek	Humble ISD	~$84,000
6A DII	Austin Vandegrift	Leander ISD	~$116,000
6A DII	Dripping Springs	Dripping Springs ISD	~$128,000
5A DI	Aledo	Aledo ISD	~$126,000
5A DI	Denton Ryan	Denton ISD	~$89,000
5A DI	Frisco Lone Star	Frisco ISD	~$146,000
5A DI	Dallas Highland Park	Highland Park ISD	~$244,000+
5A DI	Port Arthur Memorial	Port Arthur ISD	~$42,000
5A DI	Barbers Hill	Barbers Hill ISD	~$108,000
5A DI	Smithson Valley	Comal ISD	~$96,000
5A DI	New Braunfels	New Braunfels ISD	~$74,000
5A DII	Melissa	Melissa ISD	~$118,000
5A DII	Argyle	Argyle ISD	~$147,000
5A DII	Dallas South Oak Cliff	Dallas ISD	~$61,000
5A DII	Port Neches-Groves	PNG ISD	~$76,000
5A DII	Richmond Randle	Lamar CISD	~$96,000
5A DII	Iowa Colony	Alvin ISD	~$89,000
5A DII	Boerne	Boerne ISD	~$104,000
5A DII	San Antonio Alamo Heights	Alamo Heights ISD	~$132,000
4A DI	Stephenville	Stephenville ISD	~$63,000
4A DI	Canyon West Plains	Canyon ISD	~$79,000
4A DI	Celina	Celina ISD	~$127,000
4A DI	Alvarado	Alvarado ISD	~$79,000
4A DI	Kilgore	Kilgore ISD	~$63,000
4A DI	Fort Bend Crawford	Fort Bend ISD	~$109,000
4A DI	La Vernia	La Vernia ISD	~$95,000
4A DI	Comal Davenport	Comal ISD	~$96,000
4A DII	Brock	Brock ISD	~$101,000
4A DII	Midland Greenwood	Greenwood ISD	~$97,000
4A DII	Carthage	Carthage ISD	~$56,000
4A DII	Athens	Athens ISD	~$54,000
4A DII	West Orange-Stark	West Orange-Cove CISD	~$55,000
4A DII	Waco La Vega	La Vega ISD	~$58,000
4A DII	Sinton	Sinton ISD	~$67,000
4A DII	Cuero	Cuero ISD	~$59,000
3A DI	Peaster	Peaster ISD	~$92,000
3A DI	Paradise	Paradise ISD	~$88,000
3A DI	Grandview	Grandview ISD	~$86,000
3A DI	Pottsboro	Pottsboro ISD	~$87,000
3A DI	Yoakum	Yoakum ISD	~$57,000
3A DI	Columbus	Columbus ISD	~$71,000
3A DI	Llano	Llano ISD	~$59,000
3A DI	Edna	Edna ISD	~$58,000
3A DII	Wall	Wall ISD	~$92,000
3A DII	Idalou	Idalou ISD	~$71,000
3A DII	Gunter	Gunter ISD	~$118,000
3A DII	Leonard	Leonard ISD	~$78,000
3A DII	Newton	Newton ISD	~$46,000
3A DII	Arp	Arp ISD	~$58,000
3A DII	East Bernard	East Bernard ISD	~$82,000
3A DII	Tidehaven	Tidehaven ISD	~$63,000
2A DI	West Texas	West Texas ISD	~$67,000
2A DI	Cisco	Cisco ISD	~$53,000
2A DI	Hamilton	Hamilton ISD	~$57,000
2A DI	Axtell	Axtell ISD	~$61,000
2A DI	Joaquin	Joaquin ISD	~$50,000
2A DI	San Augustine	San Augustine ISD	~$43,000
2A DI	Refugio	Refugio ISD	~$63,000
2A DI	Mason	Mason ISD	~$61,000
2A DII	Gruver	Gruver ISD	~$71,000
2A DII	Stratford	Stratford ISD	~$83,000
2A DII	Muenster	Muenster ISD	~$89,000
2A DII	Lindsay	Lindsay ISD	~$95,000
2A DII	Mount Enterprise	Mount Enterprise ISD	~$49,000
2A DII	Bremond	Bremond ISD	~$48,000
2A DII	Shiner	Shiner ISD	~$68,000
2A DII	Junction	Junction ISD	~$50,000
1A D1 (6-man)	Rankin	Rankin ISD	~$81,000
1A D1 (6-man)	Water Valley	Water Valley ISD	~$64,000
1A D1 (6-man)	Gordon	Gordon ISD	~$67,000
1A D1 (6-man)	Union Hill	Union Hill ISD	~$60,000
1A D2 (6-man)	Jayton	Jayton-Girard ISD	~$56,000
1A D2 (6-man)	Klondike	Klondike ISD	~$59,000
1A D2 (6-man)	Richland Springs	Richland Springs ISD	~$52,000
1A D2 (6-man)	Strawn	Strawn ISD	~$55,000

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

We poor in Port Arthur. I expected less honestly 🤷🏾‍♂️

[WhoDat]

On 4/27/2026 at 9:05 PM, CDub86 said:

Former Willis ST Coordinator.

No Lagways or Bishops on the prairie 

[CDub86]

17 minutes ago, WhoDat said:

No Lagways or Bishops on the prairie 

Maybe not, he’s definitely got his work cut out for him. Good luck Coach.