Tarkington is open

[89Falcon]

10 minutes ago, Socrates said:

You seem to know a lot about the ins and outs of T-town. One former Tarkington head coach is the outgoing president of the THSCA and is one of the most successful and respected coaches in the profession, another is a current head coach at a successful 6A in the Houston area. Food for thought.

Another one just led Hardin (which has been similar to Tarkington” to their greatest season in school history.

[Reagan]

1 hour ago, Socrates said:

You seem to know a lot about the ins and outs of T-town. One former Tarkington head coach is the outgoing president of the THSCA and is one of the most successful and respected coaches in the profession, another is a current head coach at a successful 6A in the Houston area. Food for thought.

Let's just say I've done my home work.  There's only been one with a decent overall record.  That would be Snelson.  And he was at Tarkington for only two years.  Not enough time.    Who's the other "successful" coach?

[Reagan]

3 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

Another one just led Hardin (which has been similar to Tarkington” to their greatest season in school history.

Yes, and this coach has an overall losing record as a head coach.  Maybe if he would have stayed at Tarkington longer he could have turned things around.  

[CDub86]

So what’s the magic number? 3 years? 5 years? Legit question, genuinely curious.

[kirkwood29]

48 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Yes, and this coach has an overall losing record as a head coach.  Maybe if he would have stayed at Tarkington longer he could have turned things around.  

Looks like to me, if you add in his 12-1 record from this past season, he has a winning record as a coach.  

[Reagan]

1 minute ago, CDub86 said:

So what’s the magic number? 3 years? 5 years? Legit question, genuinely curious.

Well, if we are talking Tarkington, I'd say there isn't a magic number until they get truly serious about the situation.  But, if they eventually do get serious, then 7 years is time enough to know what you got.  But, again, you have to be serious!

[Reagan]

1 minute ago, kirkwood29 said:

Looks like to me, if you add in his 12-1 record from this past season, he has a winning record as a coach.  

Fair enough.  Didn't remember what the 2025 season record was.  But, to prove anything we'll see what happens moving forward.  Was 2025 luck or does he have something going.  But, the fact still remains he had a losing record his previous 12 years.  We shall see.

[CDub86]

6 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Well, if we are talking Tarkington, I'd say there isn't a magic number until they get truly serious about the situation.  But, if they eventually do get serious, then 7 years is time enough to know what you got.  But, again, you have to be serious!

Understand that every situation is different, this one being a very difficult situation. I do think the community’s response to the bond each time was a turning point for admin. Hopefully the community continues that when elections come up, a change has long needed to happen.

[89Falcon]

1 hour ago, Reagan said:

Yes, and this coach has an overall losing record as a head coach.  Maybe if he would have stayed at Tarkington longer he could have turned things around.  

So, is he a good coach or bad coach? How has Liberty done since he left? 

[CDub86]

1 minute ago, 89Falcon said:

So, is he a good coach or bad coach? How has Liberty done since he left? 

He had Tarkington going in the right direction…

[Eagles12]

48 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Well, if we are talking Tarkington, I'd say there isn't a magic number until they get truly serious about the situation.  But, if they eventually do get serious, then 7 years is time enough to know what you got.  But, again, you have to be serious!

I’m an Onalaska guy, and worked with several Tark guys, since we don’t have a team ( yet) they have always been on of the teams I’ve followed. What does being serious look like to you that they aren’t doing? 

[89Falcon]

45 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Fair enough.  Didn't remember what the 2025 season record was.  But, to prove anything we'll see what happens moving forward.  Was 2025 luck or does he have something going.  But, the fact still remains he had a losing record his previous 12 years.  We shall see.

Yes, because Hardin is a place to “win year in year out”.

[Reagan]

4 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

Yes, because Hardin is a place to “win year in year out”.

When a coach has a losing record for the past 12 years and has one good year, the only way to say that's not a historical anomaly is to keep it up and prove that it wasn't just luck.  Left up to him!  

[89Falcon]

11 minutes ago, Reagan said:

When a coach has a losing record for the past 12 years and has one good year, the only way to say that's not a historical anomaly is to keep it up and prove that it wasn't just luck.  Left up to him!  

When you say "losing record", are you utilizing "math" or something else? He has more wins than losses, is 10-3 considered "good"? 8-3? 7-5? 7-4? for schools like Hardin, Liberty? Probably have a parade in the streets if Tarkington were able to win 4 games right now. 

[CDub86]

3 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

When you say "losing record", are you utilizing "math" or something else? He has more wins than losses, is 10-3 considered "good"? 8-3? 7-5? 7-4? for schools like Hardin, Liberty? Probably have a parade in the streets if Tarkington were able to win 4 games right now. 

He’d be given 15 years if he could string together a couple 3-5 win seasons here lol

[kirkwood29]

1 hour ago, Reagan said:

When a coach has a losing record for the past 12 years and has one good year, the only way to say that's not a historical anomaly is to keep it up and prove that it wasn't just luck.  Left up to him!  

And make no mistake, you're talking about a coach who had a team in year 3 (Hardin) that was a qb injury away from knocking out the eventual state champion Yoakum.  I'd venture to say, he's a little above average as a coach.

[Reagan]

30 minutes ago, kirkwood29 said:

And make no mistake, you're talking about a coach who had a team in year 3 (Hardin) that was a qb injury away from knocking out the eventual state champion Yoakum.  I'd venture to say, he's a little above average as a coach.

It took him 13 years to get a positive win/loss record.  He's now 3 in the positive category.  Up until this year, he never had a winning record at the 3 schools he was at.  Average coach maybe.  Above average, well, at this point we'll agree to disagree.  

[Eagles12]

19 minutes ago, Reagan said:

It took him 13 years to get a positive win/loss record.  He's now 3 in the positive category.  Up until this year, he never had a winning record at the 3 schools he was at.  Average coach maybe.  Above average, well, at this point we'll agree to disagree.  

So we’re judging coaches straight up on wins and losses, with no consideration of the jobs they have taken and what those jobs looked like before or after? 
 

Taylor took Liberty and Hardin to the third round. I am asking here because I don’t know, have either of those schools sniffed any level of success like that without him. 
 

Just seems real silly to look and wins and loses only with 0 context. 
 

Did they play a legit non district schedule or were they just trying to stack wins?

Were they in an extremely tough district or did they get an easier draw? 
 

What is the history of the program before and after them? 

[89Falcon]

31 minutes ago, Reagan said:

It took him 13 years to get a positive win/loss record.  He's now 3 in the positive category.  Up until this year, he never had a winning record at the 3 schools he was at.  Average coach maybe.  Above average, well, at this point we'll agree to disagree.  

Got it. Liberty, Hardin, Tarkington and "barely has a winning record". In Hardin's case, the absolute best ever for over a half century. Those three schools have always been football powers. He should have done much better. No excuse to ever have a losing season at those schools. Any coach who doesn't put 10 win seasons up yearly at those schools is "average". 

You are making yourself look silly with each new comment. 

[Reagan]

13 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

Got it. Liberty, Hardin, Tarkington and "barely has a winning record". In Hardin's case, the absolute best ever for over a half century. Those three schools have always been football powers. He should have done much better. No excuse to ever have a losing season at those schools. Any coach who doesn't put 10 win seasons up yearly at those schools is "average". 

You are making yourself look silly with each new comment. 

When you start with the insults that’s proof you are losing the debate!  Keep um coming!

[89Falcon]

41 minutes ago, Reagan said:

When you start with the insults that’s proof you are losing the debate!  Keep um coming!

Not sure where the insults were but if you are trying to make the case that what Chad Taylor did at Liberty and Hardin is "average", I suspect most would agree that is "being silly". 

[Matthew328]

3 hours ago, Eagles12 said:

I’m an Onalaska guy, and worked with several Tark guys, since we don’t have a team ( yet) they have always been on of the teams I’ve followed. What does being serious look like to you that they aren’t doing? 

is Onalaska having talks about starting football??? They are one of the larger schools around who doesnt have football

[Reagan]

19 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

Not sure where the insults were but if you are trying to make the case that what Chad Taylor did at Liberty and Hardin is "average", I suspect most would agree that is "being silly". 

You know where the insult was.  But I read you now.  I do appreciate your opinion!

[Eagles12]

24 minutes ago, Matthew328 said:

is Onalaska having talks about starting football??? They are one of the larger schools around who doesnt have football

Last I heard there was a plan in place to start it and build it from the lower levels.