9-5A vs 12-5A DI

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

4 minutes ago, Alpha Wolf said:

If this does happen, just play it in Beaumont...

Pretty sure it would be The Butch, Stallworth or La Porte if that matchup happens. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[BHFAN]

There are no gimmies this week. PAM will be playing a very disciplined well coached CS team and BH will be playing a very athletic PW team. Lufkin as those have said is not a very good measuring stick. BH beat them 35-7 with Lufkin's only TD coming on a 85-yard scamper by Watters, outside of that BH dominated them from start to finish. PW beat Anderson and lost to CS and C A&M, to me PW's best win was against LaPorte which has them fired up and playing well in the playoffs. I think both of these games are toss ups with PAM's chances leaning better than BH's to get to the next round. Either way that's why we play the game. Good luck to BH and PAM.

[purple reign]

7 hours ago, OlDawg said:

 

CS & PAM--to me--is more a toss-up. CS QB isn't near as good as Weiss' IMHO.

I disagree. Johnson is special. He's a lot of of the reason they have got where they are.

[OlDawg]

4 hours ago, purple reign said:

I disagree. Johnson is special. He's a lot of of the reason they have got where they are.

To each their own. I could say the same about all 4 of the QB's left playing in the region.

But, the Weiss QB accounts for way more of his team's O than any of the other three with almost 3900 yards of offense between passing (over 3500 yds & 49 TD's), and rushing (almost 300 yards & 10 TD's). He also completes his passes at a much higher pct. than either of the other three at right at 68%.

CS QB (Johnson) completes less than 60% of his passes, has thrown for almost 1300 yards, and rushed for over 900 yards. He's accounted for 32 total TD's. Very impressive. But, not close.

The numbers tell a different story.

[OlDawg]

9 hours ago, BHFAN said:

There are no gimmies this week. PAM will be playing a very disciplined well coached CS team and BH will be playing a very athletic PW team. Lufkin as those have said is not a very good measuring stick. BH beat them 35-7 with Lufkin's only TD coming on a 85-yard scamper by Watters, outside of that BH dominated them from start to finish. PW beat Anderson and lost to CS and C A&M, to me PW's best win was against LaPorte which has them fired up and playing well in the playoffs. I think both of these games are toss ups with PAM's chances leaning better than BH's to get to the next round. Either way that's why we play the game. Good luck to BH and PAM.

Lufkin is a perfectly fine measuring stick since they are the constant that 3 teams have played. It doesn't matter how good/bad they were. BH, PAM, and Weiss all played them. I could easily argue Weiss played them when they should have been at their most experienced, and beat them worse than either BH or PAM.

Lufkin fans could give the best assessment of the three teams they've played. But, scores would indicate that Weiss was more dominant against them than either BH or PAM.

[pakronos]

5 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

To each their own. I could say the same about all 4 of the QB's left playing in the region.

But, the Weiss QB accounts for way more of his team's O than any of the other three with almost 3900 yards of offense between passing (over 3500 yds & 49 TD's), and rushing (almost 300 yards & 10 TD's). He also completes his passes at a much higher pct. than either of the other three at right at 68%.

CS QB (Johnson) completes less than 60% of his passes, has thrown for almost 1300 yards, and rushed for over 900 yards. He's accounted for 32 total TD's. Very impressive. But, not close.

The numbers tell a different story.

Pull up Amante stats. Kid as THROWN over 20tds probably has over 20 rushing. If he doesn’t have 2k rushing, he’s very close 

[OlDawg]

9 minutes ago, pakronos said:

Pull up Amante stats. Kid as THROWN over 20tds probably has over 20 rushing. If he doesn’t have 2k rushing, he’s very close 

I tried. I can't find his stats. I would say he accounts for--probably--the second most O for his team. I'm assuming that's primarily rushing. But, that's me going off games I remember viewing. I can't verify.

[pakronos]

2 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

Lufkin is a perfectly fine measuring stick since they are the constant that 3 teams have played. It doesn't matter how good/bad they were. BH, PAM, and Weiss all played them. I could easily argue Weiss played them when they should have been at their most experienced, and beat them worse than either BH or PAM.

Then I could say, we coulda put more points up than 30 cause they could have and called off the dogs. Also we are run heavy so yeah the score is a little lower. I can say we shut them out. Lufkin is poor measure due to they struggled every game they played and tbh played only 2 really good teams and one that was prepared for them. The season has started over. 

[OlDawg]

2 minutes ago, pakronos said:

Then I could say, we coulda put more points up than 30 cause they could have and called off the dogs. Also we are run heavy so yeah the score is a little lower. I can say we shut them out. Lufkin is poor measure due to they struggled every game they played and tbh played only 2 really good teams and one that was prepared for them. The season has started over. 

Y'all have to understand I'm not disparaging any team. I'm just comparing with the data that's available. Shoulda, woulda, coulda's don't count. They can't be measured.

[Separation Scientist]

18 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

Lufkin is a perfectly fine measuring stick since they are the constant that 3 teams have played. It doesn't matter how good/bad they were. BH, PAM, and Weiss all played them. I could easily argue Weiss played them when they should have been at their most experienced, and beat them worse than either BH or PAM.

Lufkin fans could give the best assessment of the three teams they've played. But, scores would indicate that Weiss was more dominant against them than either BH or PAM.

Transitive comparisons do matter, to a degree. In schedule order, BH beat Lufkin by 28. Then PAM won by 30. Then Weiss won by 38.

Who took their foot off the gas, or didn't? Who had what injuries then, or didn't? Was Lufkin equally motivated in all three of these losses? Was anyone looking ahead to the next week? Too many factors here to say much definitively. 

Now if Lufkin had lost by 50 to team A, then lost by just 1 to team B in the final seconds of the game, then I easily see A >>> B. Here I just don't see much. JMO.   

  

[OlDawg]

1 hour ago, Separation Scientist said:

Transitive comparisons do matter, to a degree. In schedule order, BH beat Lufkin by 28. Then PAM won by 30. Then Weiss won by 38.

Who took their foot off the gas, or didn't? Who had what injuries then, or didn't? Was Lufkin equally motivated in all three of these losses? Was anyone looking ahead to the next week? Too many factors here to say much definitively. 

Now if Lufkin had lost by 50 to team A, then lost by just 1 to team B in the final seconds of the game, then I easily see A >>> B. Here I just don't see much. JMO.   

  

Fair point. Individual matchups within the game also matter. It's just another comparison to use to evaluate. Neither right or wrong.

[LufkinPack]

BH, Pam, Weiss all three are really good football teams. Each present their own challenges. I give PAM the edge over everybody because of their defense.

Lufkin just didn’t have an offense. Our defense was better than some certain posters are getting are here and saying, Lufkin front 4 caused issues for people all season. We had poor QB play and inexperienced receivers on the offensive side and it just never came together. Took me about three weeks into the season to figure out that side was never gonna be good this year. Some Lufkin fans were holding on to some false hope.

We was in every game we lost this season.  Defense gave us a chance over and over again. Offense would put them in bad situations. PAM’s offense scored 23 on us. They got a late TD off a fumble recovery for 6. We got into the red zone against them three times and failed to score. If Lufkin had an above average offense this season things woulda been better. Not saying we would’ve beaten anybody we lost to, just saying it would’ve been closer for sure.

Somehow weiss managed to do what nobody else could do and block our front 4 without a single holding call. Amazing. 

Against a team like Weiss they are gonna get their points, you just gotta be able to match them on offense from time to time. I think BH and PAM both can beat them because they have the offenses to do it. Lufkin was never gonna be a threat. 

[OlDawg]

It’s going to be hard to beat the entertainment value of BH vs. AA. Best game of the year I’ve seen so far. Fans of either team may have been nervous wrecks. But, as a football fan just watching for enjoyment, it was a great game.

[Ghostrida]

Are we sure BH can score with PW? 

[BHFAN]

1 hour ago, Ghostrida said:

Are we sure BH can score with PW? 

No, but that’s why we play the game 😁. On paper your money should go on PW, but its all about matchups. PW receivers are big and strong with the ability to gain that YAC. BH is pretty good in the trenches with 2 fast receivers with hands and 1 that is bigger and tough to bring down. BH RB are downhill type of runners while #7 on PW will take it to the house. BH will have to pressure and contain the PW QB to have a chance IMO. Can BH win?Definitely,  will they? 

[OlDawg]

2 hours ago, Ghostrida said:

Are we sure BH can score with PW? 

To me, BH has a chance because of a fairly well balanced O. Maybe they can keep Weiss a little off balance on D. At the least, Weiss will have to respect the BH pass game, and won’t be able to just load the box.

BH’s issue will be if Weiss plays up tempo all game, and doesn’t give the BH D a chance to sub or rest. Their tempo can be a killer. They snap the ball with less than 10 seconds gone on the play clock, and catch your D with poor matchups and a tired secondary.

I see the winner needing to score in the 40’s at a minimum. Both teams may be in the 40’s!

Should be a fun game to watch. Which team gets more possessions may be the key.

These are just my observations from watching both teams. I will say Simper knows how to play a shoot out coming from the Cy district. So, the BH staff won’t be caught flat-footed.

I’m still going with Weiss. But—barring TO’s—I don’t see it being easy. Weiss is still a young team though. I keep waiting for them to make some youthful mistakes. So far, they really haven’t.

[Separation Scientist]

That's a good analysis. I think Weiss has some definite advantages, but BH will show up and compete. Simper on our sidelines is a good thing.