West Orange Stark vs Hamshire-Fannett

[Stangfan#1]

My score pick was right on the mark last game for wos so hopefully I'll be right again this coming week 

WOS 34

HF 28

[hondo1]

On 11/1/2025 at 3:30 PM, WO-S 89 said:

The current WOS coach is 0-3 against Hf and I could see him going 0-4.  Maybe WOS can out athlete them to win like they did against Silsbee.  

So when WOS wins a game it's because of the athletes , but when they lose it's because the coach and his staff is worthless and don't know what they're doing? Got it, it's kinda like how Dallas SOC is about to go to their 5th State Championship game in a row, but many people like you don't their head coach and his staff knows what they're doing either, it's all " them athletes they got " 😒

[BBfan061]

32 minutes ago, hondo1 said:

So when WOS wins a game it's because of the athletes , but when they lose it's because the coach and his staff is worthless and don't know what they're doing? Got it, it's kinda like how Dallas SOC is about to go to their 5th State Championship game in a row, but many people like you don't their head coach and his staff knows what they're doing either, it's all " them athletes they got " 😒

I haven’t seen the first person say the SOC coach or coaches don’t know what they are doing… probably never been said unless it’s someone who doesn’t know what they are talking about. 

[89Falcon]

33 minutes ago, hondo1 said:

So when WOS wins a game it's because of the athletes , but when they lose it's because the coach and his staff is worthless and don't know what they're doing? Got it, it's kinda like how Dallas SOC is about to go to their 5th State Championship game in a row, but many people like you don't their head coach and his staff knows what they're doing either, it's all " them athletes they got " 😒

It is all frivolous discussion. WOS is not going to lose this game. They will win handily. 

[WOSdrummer99]

30 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

It is all frivolous discussion. WOS is not going to lose this game. They will win handily. 

Nothing is for sure here anymore. One wrong move and its all lost. I do expect to see a heavy dose of #4 and the blue lights flashing more than a few times. Injury free so both teams can go into the playoffs healthy.

[AggiesAreWe]

38 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

It is all frivolous discussion. WOS is not going to lose this game. They will win handily. 

I tend to agree.

I got WO-S by a couple of TD's.

[dj]

5 hours ago, hondo1 said:

So when WOS wins a game it's because of the athletes , but when they lose it's because the coach and his staff is worthless and don't know what they're doing? Got it, it's kinda like how Dallas SOC is about to go to their 5th State Championship game in a row, but many people like you don't their head coach and his staff knows what they're doing either, it's all " them athletes they got " 😒

We'll if your paying attention to somethings.would know.some of same mistakes they continue to make over and over. That has never happened here.all the penalties and all the T/O's.busted assignments.kids has done a great job of continuing to fight through it.the QB kid Douglas in really trying but without a quality guy to teach him.makes it harder.ik personally guys that really wanted to help him.but, that's another story.the kid hasn't thrown for a 100 yards yet even against less talented teams.#4 is there horse.since #2 got hurt who helped him out defensive too many missed assignments.on trying to run the 50.cant blame the kids if there not taught right.look at the history.since, 1985 when this train took off  the defense was always a step ahead of the offense.no, they didn't every championship but, u knew you were in a fight.one day when they get back to what made the program then you will see the difference.and it's unheard a W.o team that doesn't tackle in practice.when your practicing bad habits you can't always believe you will get good results.and that's something you can't blame on the kids either.

 

[RoughneckGuy]

5 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I tend to agree.

I got WO-S by a couple of TD's.

RoughneckGuy says that Jefferson kid on WOS is a beast being smaller is an advantage!

[RoughneckGuy]

5 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I tend to agree.

I got WO-S by a couple of TD's.

RoughneckGuy says RoughneckGuy watched HF play Silsbee and RoughneckGuy was shocked how much Silsbee bullied HF by just pounding the ball down their throats!

 

 RoughneckGuy says no disrespect to HF but WOS will do the same but with just more speed!

[RoughneckGuy]

On 11/2/2025 at 9:54 AM, Stangfan#1 said:

My score pick was right on the mark last game for wos so hopefully I'll be right again this coming week 

WOS 34

HF 28

RoughneckGuy says what RoughneckGuy saw against Silsbee when they played HF this game probably won’t be close?

[hondo1]

14 hours ago, BBfan061 said:

I haven’t seen the first person say the SOC coach or coaches don’t know what they are doing… probably never been said unless it’s someone who doesn’t know what they are talking about. 

Of course no one on this post has said that, but if you were to look back at posts during the playoffs for the last 3 years,  especially when they played PNG, there was several people on this site and others saying disparaging things,  and insinuating that SOC coaches weren't good coaches and they were only winning because of " All of them D1 players" 

[BBfan061]

8 minutes ago, hondo1 said:

Of course no one on this post has said that, but if you were to look back at posts during the playoffs for the last 3 years,  especially when they played PNG, there was several people on this site and others saying disparaging things,  and insinuating that SOC coaches weren't good coaches and they were only winning because of " All of them D1 players" 

Yeah that’s dumb to say lol 

[WOSdrummer99]

2 hours ago, hondo1 said:

and insinuating that SOC coaches weren't good coaches and they were only winning because of " All of them D1 players" 

Which came 1st? Chicken or egg?

I tend to think the athletes have to be coached to achieve D1 or 5 stars. Look at the recruiting here at WOS before and after the coaching change. Night and day difference. Sophomore all district then nothing the next 2. WRS nominees? Jefferson should get there this year.

[hondo1]

Just now, WOSdrummer99 said:

Which came 1st? Chicken or egg?

I tend to think the athletes have to be coached to achieve D1 or 5 stars. Look at the recruiting here at WOS before and after the coaching change. Night and day difference. Sophomore all district then nothing the next 2. WRS nominees? Jefferson should get there this year.

I really didn't think it was possible to be this delusional about anything,  much less a high school football program. Please tell anyone reading this post how do you " Coach " someone with no athletic abilities,  into being a division 1 or 5 star athlete???? Last I checked speed, athleticism,  agility, jumping abilities, hand eye coordination, none of those things can be " instilled " in a player by a Coach.  There have been numerous players that have played Division 1 athletics and literally didn't play the sport in high school,  much less be coached into being able to play. Their athletic abilities made it possible not any Coach. 

[89Falcon]

41 minutes ago, hondo1 said:

I really didn't think it was possible to be this delusional about anything,  much less a high school football program. Please tell anyone reading this post how do you " Coach " someone with no athletic abilities,  into being a division 1 or 5 star athlete???? Last I checked speed, athleticism,  agility, jumping abilities, hand eye coordination, none of those things can be " instilled " in a player by a Coach.  There have been numerous players that have played Division 1 athletics and literally didn't play the sport in high school,  much less be coached into being able to play. Their athletic abilities made it possible not any Coach. 

1000% Coaches do not tackle, block, run, catch or throw. Cannot win games without the “dudes”. 

[WOSdrummer99]

1 hour ago, hondo1 said:

I really didn't think it was possible to be this delusional about anything,  much less a high school football program. Please tell anyone reading this post how do you " Coach " someone with no athletic abilities,  into being a division 1 or 5 star athlete???? Last I checked speed, athleticism,  agility, jumping abilities, hand eye coordination, none of those things can be " instilled " in a player by a Coach.  There have been numerous players that have played Division 1 athletics and literally didn't play the sport in high school,  much less be coached into being able to play. Their athletic abilities made it possible not any Coach. 

I see the point of intangibles that most recruiters look for. But just cuz a kid can run fast or weighs 300 lbs doesnt exactly mean they dont need instruction. 4.1 speed that cant catch, who teaches him? Or they dont and they just hand him the ball. Or put him at QB and say make a play. Thats what bad coaching does. Good coaching will make sure he's able to be a productive member of the team. Society too

[Reagan]

3 hours ago, hondo1 said:

I really didn't think it was possible to be this delusional about anything,  much less a high school football program. Please tell anyone reading this post how do you " Coach " someone with no athletic abilities,  into being a division 1 or 5 star athlete???? Last I checked speed, athleticism,  agility, jumping abilities, hand eye coordination, none of those things can be " instilled " in a player by a Coach.  There have been numerous players that have played Division 1 athletics and literally didn't play the sport in high school,  much less be coached into being able to play. Their athletic abilities made it possible not any Coach. 

@WOSdrummer99 responded well.  You stated nothing can be instilled in an athlete.  So, why have coaches? Just let the students go play on their own.  They either got it or they don't got it.  Right?!  Of course this would be folly thinking.  

Let's look at the QB at Barbers Hill that was "suppose" to have excellent potential.  Well, that never panned out.  Was it because, as you would believe, that he's not really that good?  Or, as I would say, his coaching let him down.  I wonder how he could of progressed if he had Scott Surrett as his coach?  How about Tim Buchanan from Aledo.  Or how about Todd Dodge as his coach?  You think he could have benefitted from any of these?  Or would you still think, you either got it or you don't?  

You think when Thompson left WOS, all of a sudden all the talent left?  When Thompson left, I wonder what WOS would have looked like if WOS had PNG's coaching staff.  I'm thinking between then and now probably a State Championship.  

[AggiesAreWe]

15 minutes ago, Reagan said:

@WOSdrummer99 responded well.  You stated nothing can be instilled in an athlete.  So, why have coaches? Just let the students go play on their own.  They either got it or they don't got it.  Right?!  Of course this would be folly thinking.  

Let's look at the QB at Barbers Hill that was "suppose" to have excellent potential.  Well, that never panned out.  Was it because, as you would believe, that he's not really that good?  Or, as I would say, his coaching let him down.  I wonder how he could of progressed if he had Scott Surrett as his coach?  How about Tim Buchanan from Aledo.  Or how about Todd Dodge as his coach?  You think he could have benefitted from any of these?  Or would you still think, you either got it or you don't?  

You think when Thompson left WOS, all of a sudden all the talent left?  When Thompson left, I wonder what WOS would have looked like if WOS had PNG's coaching staff.  I'm thinking between then and now probably a State Championship.  

The Barbers Hill QB has a father that is a high school coach. Offensive Co. and QB coach.

Quite sure coaching wasn't that QB's problem.

Personally, from what I have seen, WO-S talent level has dropped some. Not a drastic drop, but one would have to think it has dropped if only due to the enrollment that has dropped over there the last 10 years. 

Just my perspective.

[WOSdrummer99]

3 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Personally, from what I have seen, WO-S talent level has dropped some. Not a drastic drop, but one would have to think it has dropped if only due to the enrollment that has dropped over there the last 10 years. 

Correct. Anytime numbers drop its going to have an effect. Difference is the level of coaching remained the same for a long. And they were able to get the most out of those numbers.

[Reagan]

1 hour ago, AggiesAreWe said:

The Barbers Hill QB has a father that is a high school coach. Offensive Co. and QB coach.

Quite sure coaching wasn't that QB's problem.

Personally, from what I have seen, WO-S talent level has dropped some. Not a drastic drop, but one would have to think it has dropped if only due to the enrollment that has dropped over there the last 10 years. 

Just my perspective.

I beg to differ.  I know his Dad is a coach.  That also tells me his Dad wasn't good enough to get the most out of his kid.  I'll say again -- give him 3 years with Dodge and you'd seen a dramatic difference.  Contrary to what some may believe here there are differences in coaches.  Some good, some bad and some in between.

Regardless of the drop in numbers, WOS still has the talent.  Just like West Brook  and United actually has talent.  But...

Just my opinion.

[Reagan]

57 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Correct. Anytime numbers drop its going to have an effect. Difference is the level of coaching remained the same for a long. And they were able to get the most out of those numbers.

When Thompson was there, was WOS always at the top in enrollment?

[89Falcon]

32 minutes ago, Reagan said:

I beg to differ.  I know his Dad is a coach.  That also tells me his Dad wasn't good enough to get the most out of his kid.  I'll say again -- give him 3 years with Dodge and you'd seen a dramatic difference.  Contrary to what some may believe here there are differences in coaches.  Some good, some bad and some in between.

Regardless of the drop in numbers, WOS still has the talent.  Just like West Brook  and United actually has talent.  But...

Just my opinion.

You know more about what's best for the kid than the kids dad who is a long-time coach? I think I would defer to the parent for "getting the most out of their kid". 

[WO-S 89]

33 minutes ago, Reagan said:

When Thompson was there, was WOS always at the top in enrollment?

No, I believe they were around the same numbers as they are now with Thompson. 

[Reagan]

6 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

You know more about what's best for the kid than the kids dad who is a long-time coach? I think I would defer to the parent for "getting the most out of their kid". 

I see the results.  Not debatable!  It's my understanding that he's just been replaced as starting QB.  Probably never would have happened if Dodge was his coach.  So...

[wo-s#1]

2 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

The Barbers Hill QB has a father that is a high school coach. Offensive Co. and QB coach.

Quite sure coaching wasn't that QB's problem.

Personally, from what I have seen, WO-S talent level has dropped some. Not a drastic drop, but one would have to think it has dropped if only due to the enrollment that has dropped over there the last 10 years. 

Just my perspective.

Talent may have dropped some as of late ,the naked eye can’t tell by watching a game..the first couple years after he left the talent was identical.Hard for me to believe talent dropped all of a sudden though since it hasn’t”dropped “since 1977!