Cougar14.2 Posted 9 hours ago Report Posted 9 hours ago 5 hours ago, Old Ape said: The population that is growing in Crosby does not look like King or Atascocita. It looks like Channelview! King is 65% Hispanic. Crosby is about 50%. They’re filling up Barrett Station, not the $300k starter homes in Newport. The reason you don’t think King looks like that is because they have 3,600 kids and you don’t see any of them on the field. The closer our overall enrollment climbs to 3,000 the closer we get to the football playing demographic number of about 1,500 that we need to be competitive in 6A-D2. The completion of Sweetgrass Village and Barrett Crossing alone will push Crosby’s enrollment to about 2,800 once you include the new Newport homes. Going to suck for a while but Crosby is in an excellent position to be pretty competitive in 4-5 years. Austin1985 and Mr. Buddy Garrity 2 Quote
bogey55 Posted 9 hours ago Report Posted 9 hours ago 3 hours ago, texaslonghorn14 said: I tried to use geography for these four districts ( UIL may not)- the first two districts have schools that could be interchanged. What are your thoughts? 5A Division 1 “Traditional” Region 3 Teams 1st District 2nd District West Brook Lufkin United New Caney PA Memorial Porter Sterling Kingwood Park Goose Creek Westfield Galveston Ball Pasadena La Porte South Houston Friendswood Galena Park 3rd District 4th District Math & Science Angleton Milby Alvin Iowa Colony Sharpstown FB Dulles Waltrip Katy Freeman Wisdom Richmond Randle Chavez Richmond Tomas Madison SB North Brook Westbury SB Spring Woods I'm pretty sure that New Caney West Fork is opting up to 5A-D1. Quote
Reagan Posted 9 hours ago Report Posted 9 hours ago 10 minutes ago, bogey55 said: I'm pretty sure that New Caney West Fork is opting up to 5A-D1. If they do, they better find them a better coach! Quote
texaslonghorn14 Posted 9 hours ago Report Posted 9 hours ago 23 minutes ago, bogey55 said: I'm pretty sure that New Caney West Fork is opting up to 5A-D1. West Fork is not opting up Quote
89Falcon Posted 8 hours ago Report Posted 8 hours ago 2 hours ago, Cougar14.2 said: Schools like SLC, Westlake, Vandergrift, etc. get around the overall enrollment with 1) money and 2) they have Hispanic populations down in the teens. For instance Highland Park’s Hispanic population is only 6.1% so their football playing demographics are very close to 6A competitive levels for Texas. The higher the Hispanic population the more kids you need to be competitive in 6A unless you can mitigate it with money. North Crowley has 3,049 kids but more importantly they have 1,706 black kids to go with solid coaching. That is an unreal amount for a metro school in Texas and similar to Summer Creek’s 1,722 but under Duncaville’s 1,888. With North Shore’s demographics they would suck at football if they didn’t have 4,000+ kids. If you dropped NS’ enrollment to Crosby’s and kept their same demographic makeup they would lose about 620 of their 1,038 black kids and not be near as competitive considering the talent pool where they get 95%+ of their starters would’ve cut in more than half. Desoto has a 5A enrollment but their school is 74% black so their talent pool is actually 1.5X that of North Shore. Very few schools the last 10-15 years have broken these rules. Cedar Hill is a prime example of what I’m talking about though. Stagnant to declining enrollment since their title game appearance in 2020 and are sub-.500 in the five years since. Not that having money or demographics mean everything but they’re hard facts to stray from when 6/8 teams playing for the 5A and 6A titles look exactly the same while the 5A-D1 state finals teams are extremely similar financially. Long story short, with Crosby’s demographics we’re going to need 2,800+ before we can consistently be competitive in 6A outside of the Houston and Pasadena districts. So, is the problem "enrollment numbers" or "too many Hispanic kids"? You specifically stated previously that the "enrollment gap was the problem". Now you are talking about "needing more black kids". What exactly is the limiting factor? Quote
OlDawg Posted 8 hours ago Report Posted 8 hours ago 3 hours ago, Austin1985 said: Why do you have Gball and Fwood passing up schools to play in dist 9? Also, based off Stepps first mock, why can't Dist 12 be in region 2 and that other more southern Austin District be in reg 3? What schools are Ball & Friendswood passing up? They’re on the east side. Ball is an outlier somewhat similar to Lufkin. District 12, I just went with the last 2 years, and adjusted for enrollments. As others have mentioned, if HISD opts up their schools, there could be 4 districts in R3 without the current 12-5A. The news article I posted didn’t make it sound like they were opting up. But, I don’t know. Stepp doesn’t have Galena Park opting up, and he still has Crosby in 5AD1. He also doesn’t have Iowa Colony in 5AD1. So, his is a little off as well. We’re all just tinkering at this point. Something to do in between SC games. Quote
Austin1985 Posted 8 hours ago Report Posted 8 hours ago 11 minutes ago, OlDawg said: What schools are Ball & Friendswood passing up? They’re on the east side. Ball is an outlier somewhat similar to Lufkin. District 12, I just went with the last 2 years, and adjusted for enrollments. As others have mentioned, if HISD opts up their schools, there could be 4 districts in R3 without the current 12-5A. The news article I posted didn’t make it sound like they were opting up. But, I don’t know. Stepp doesn’t have Galena Park opting up, and he still has Crosby in 5AD1. He also doesn’t have Iowa Colony in 5AD1. So, his is a little off as well. We’re all just tinkering at this point. Something to do in between SC games. IC, South Houston and Angleton for starters. Lamar Cons ISD and Fort Bend ISD is way closer than the Golden Triangle. I'm surprised that you would put Ball and Fwood with us seeing that you're from LaPorte.... Quote
OlDawg Posted 6 hours ago Report Posted 6 hours ago 6 hours ago, texaslonghorn14 said: I tried to use geography for these four districts ( UIL may not)- the first two districts have schools that could be interchanged. What are your thoughts? 5A Division 1 “Traditional” Region 3 Teams 1st District 2nd District West Brook Lufkin United New Caney PA Memorial Porter Sterling Kingwood Park Goose Creek Westfield Galveston Ball Pasadena La Porte South Houston Friendswood Galena Park 3rd District 4th District Math & Science Angleton Milby Alvin Iowa Colony Sharpstown FB Dulles Waltrip Katy Freeman Wisdom Richmond Randle Chavez Richmond Tomas Madison SB North Brook Westbury SB Spring Woods Makes sense to me if the opt ups happen. Quote
DukeS Posted 6 hours ago Report Posted 6 hours ago 3 hours ago, Reagan said: If they do, they better find them a better coach! They’ve only been playing varsity for two seasons and have their first senior class this year… Quote
Cougar14.2 Posted 4 hours ago Report Posted 4 hours ago 2 hours ago, 89Falcon said: So, is the problem "enrollment numbers" or "too many Hispanic kids"? You specifically stated previously that the "enrollment gap was the problem". Now you are talking about "needing more black kids". What exactly is the limiting factor? Pretty sure I clearly laid it out why the enrollment gap was specifically THE issue. With Crosby’s demographics we need 2,800+ kids to put a product on the field remotely close athletically to the 6A schools in the area outside of Channelview, regardless of coaching. Last year Kingwood beat CE King by 1 point to finish in 4th place and of course playing out of that district made the regional final. Good program, good coach, lots of money and great ball-playing demographics but even at 2,800+ enrollment like Kingwood turned in on snapshot day, unless you have a super senior class like they did last year you’re going to struggle to finish higher than 5th in this area like they did this year even with all those advantages. They just can’t matchup athletically on a consistent basis with those larger enrollment schools. Crosby will be in the same situation until we have more football players on campus. Quote
Old Ape Posted 4 hours ago Report Posted 4 hours ago 5 hours ago, Cougar14.2 said: King is 65% Hispanic. Crosby is about 50%. They’re filling up Barrett Station, not the $300k starter homes in Newport. The reason you don’t think King looks like that is because they have 3,600 kids and you don’t see any of them on the field. The closer our overall enrollment climbs to 3,000 the closer we get to the football playing demographic number of about 1,500 that we need to be competitive in 6A-D2. The completion of Sweetgrass Village and Barrett Crossing alone will push Crosby’s enrollment to about 2,800 once you include the new Newport homes. Going to suck for a while but Crosby is in an excellent position to be pretty competitive in 4-5 years. Lots of signs in Barrett station nowadays that ain’t written in English. Quote
Reagan Posted 3 hours ago Report Posted 3 hours ago 2 hours ago, DukeS said: They’ve only been playing varsity for two seasons and have their first senior class this year… Oh, I understand this. But, what you need to understand is that this coach has been a head coach longer than the years you describe. Let's look at the total picture: DOUGALD McDOUGALD 13 years; 47-85-0; 6-1-0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 2000 Huffman 1-9-0 2001 Huffman 4-6-0 2002 Huffman 3-7-0 2003 Humble Kingwood 1-9-0 2004 Humble Kingwood 4-6-0 2005 Humble Kingwood 3-5-0 2006 Humble Kingwood 7-4-0 C 2007 Humble Kingwood 3-8-0 F 2008 Humble Kingwood 4-5-0 F 2009 Humble Kingwood 6-6-0 F 2010 Humble Kingwood 3-7-0 F 2011 Humble Kingwood 6-5-0 T 2024 New Caney West Fork 2-8-0 Quote
Eagles12 Posted 1 hour ago Report Posted 1 hour ago 2 hours ago, Reagan said: Oh, I understand this. But, what you need to understand is that this coach has been a head coach longer than the years you describe. Let's look at the total picture: DOUGALD McDOUGALD 13 years; 47-85-0; 6-1-0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 2000 Huffman 1-9-0 2001 Huffman 4-6-0 2002 Huffman 3-7-0 2003 Humble Kingwood 1-9-0 2004 Humble Kingwood 4-6-0 2005 Humble Kingwood 3-5-0 2006 Humble Kingwood 7-4-0 C 2007 Humble Kingwood 3-8-0 F 2008 Humble Kingwood 4-5-0 F 2009 Humble Kingwood 6-6-0 F 2010 Humble Kingwood 3-7-0 F 2011 Humble Kingwood 6-5-0 T 2024 New Caney West Fork 2-8-0 He is retiring actually. Quote
Reagan Posted 52 minutes ago Report Posted 52 minutes ago 33 minutes ago, Eagles12 said: He is retiring actually. The best thing for the West Fork program! Quote
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