Charlie Kirk Shot

[OlDawg]

20 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

democrats never let a good crisis go to waste.

Somehow, the bolt action rifle found will morph into a "high powered assault rifle". The role of social media for clicks will never be discussed, nor will the role of corporate profits in our news organizations. Very few will probably question how safe their kids are walking across college campuses all across this country, and First Amendment freedoms of free and open face-to-face discourse will take another hit.

The gun control discussion will take front and center, and distract from everything else. Then, not only will we have lost the First, we'll again be in danger of losing the Second. The deer rifle will become an automatic weapon of war--with an oversized clip--within a week.

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[AggiesAreWe]

FBI has basically stated that this was not a professional hit. Too many clues, including the gun, was left. Pros do not do that.

Their profile is a rouge person who just happened to be a skilled shooter. But, being that he hit Kirk's neck, not that skilled. Pro would have made the head shot.

[OlDawg]

11 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

FBI has basically stated that this was not a professional hit. Too many clues, including the gun, was left. Pros do not do that.

Their profile is a rouge person who just happened to be a skilled shooter. But, being that he hit Kirk's neck, not that skilled. Pro would have made the head shot.

That’s why I said a .223. Probably had plenty for the shooting range. They’re cheap & plentiful. No questions are asked when bought because they’re thought of as a range round. While an accurate round with little kickback, he probably didn’t realize their weight wouldn’t be the best for the range.

Pro would know that.

We’ll see if they ever release those details.

[baddog]

Another wormy looking little punk like Crooks. Someone will recognize him from the pics. Seemed familiar with campus buildings. Probably an ex student. Just a guess.

Bounty = $100,000.

[Reagan]

49 minutes ago, baddog said:

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True!  Wait, The Gateway Pundit is reporting the same thing.  Also is X.  So, those that think the Pundit is not reliable will think this is false.  But, it's not!

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[thetragichippy]

27 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Pro would have made the head shot.

According to news sources, it was probably aimed at torso and over compensated for distance. The height of the building he shot from and the canopy over him, a headshot was not possible.

 

[AggiesAreWe]

1 minute ago, thetragichippy said:

According to news sources, it was probably aimed at torso and over compensated for distance. The height of the building he shot from and the canopy over him, a headshot was not possible.

 

A pro would have put themselves in a position for a head shot.

[Reagan]

12 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

According to news sources, it was probably aimed at torso and over compensated for distance. The height of the building he shot from and the canopy over him, a headshot was not possible.

 

I understand about the head shot.  Think about this:  If you aim for the side of the neck and blow the carotid artery open, one person I just listened to said he was basically dead when he got hit.  So, could this also be a tactic?  I'm just thinking out loud.  Another thing, "if" this was a hit job, stuff being left behind, could this have been staged as a diversion?  Again, just throwing stuff out there.     

[OlDawg]

As careless as the shooter appears to be, they should be able to track the gun registration. Still bet it’s a low end Remington 223.

This really was a short range shot if less than 300 yards.

[bullets13]

20 hours ago, baddog said:

Read it was a 200 yard shot. Great deer hunter or ex-military. Very skilled shot…..took his time…..very planned. That’s just me.

I started deer hunting as an adult. Within a single box of shells I was putting 3 rounds inside of a silver dollar at 200 yds. It's really not hard with a decent gun and good optics. It's also worth noting that this shot had to be a miss that got lucky. From the angle it came in it was likely supposed to be a head shot that was several inches low and happened to catch his neck.

[OlDawg]

Looks like he was just a poor shot. Saying rifle was .30-06. If sighted in at 100 yards, should have been true if just an occasional shooter.

Could be rifle was sighted at 200, and he wasn’t that proficient.

[Ty Cobb]

16 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

But are you saying that if the shooter has voted Republican in the last several elections, including voting for Trump all three times, he/she is still not a "true" republican?

I had to go back and read my post again.  No, that's not what I meant.  I didn't say true republican.  I said no TRUE CHANCE that a republican did this.  The point that I was trying to make is that this was a hit and I believe that it will be spun by the media as a republican shooter or a President Trump backer.

[baddog]

18 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

I started deer hunting as an adult. Within a single box of shells I was putting 3 rounds inside of a silver dollar at 200 yds. It's really not hard with a decent gun and good optics. It's also worth noting that this shot had to be a miss that got lucky. From the angle it came in it was likely supposed to be a head shot that was several inches low and happened to catch his neck.

Yes, I realized that afterwards, but unlike Crooks, he only squeezed off one shot. Crooks fired several and missed from closer. I also mentioned deer hunters and said a great one because most sight in @ 100-125 yards. One can search the back of Soldier of Fortune for a “professional” hit. Doesn’t signify that he’s a skilled marksman, simply paid for. Glad I cleared that up.

[OlDawg]

11 minutes ago, Ty Cobb said:

I had to go back and read my post again.  No, that's not what I meant.  I didn't say true republican.  I said no TRUE CHANCE that a republican did this.  The point that I was trying to make is that this was a hit and I believe that it will be spun by the media as a republican shooter or a President Trump backer.

Saying unspent rounds have something about trans rights & fascist writing on them. Not clear on it all yet. Still kinda early reporting I think.

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[bullets13]

23 minutes ago, baddog said:

Yes, I realized that afterwards, but unlike Crooks, he only squeezed off one shot. Crooks fired several and missed from closer. I also mentioned deer hunters and said a great one because most sight in @ 100-125 yards. One can search the back of Soldier of Fortune for a “professional” hit. Doesn’t signify that he’s a skilled marksman, simply paid for. Glad I cleared that up.

If what I read on here is correct, and it's a 30-06 that was used, a 6 inch drop wouldn't be impossible at 200 yds for a 30-06 sighted in at 100 (depending on the gun and more importantly, the grain of bullet you use). Definitely not the round a pro would pick, though. 

[bullets13]

43 minutes ago, Ty Cobb said:

I had to go back and read my post again.  No, that's not what I meant.  I didn't say true republican.  I said no TRUE CHANCE that a republican did this.  The point that I was trying to make is that this was a hit and I believe that it will be spun by the media as a republican shooter or a President Trump backer.

Highly doubtful this was a hit. There's this weird disconnect where the right wants to blame the left for radicalizing millions of leftists with their propaganda and rhetoric (I'm not arguing that point, it's obviously happened), but then every time one of those goofy nuts takes action a lot of the right refuses to believe that they could possibly have acted on their own accord. It's always a "conspiracy", a "hit", or some other crazy idea. There are literally MILLIONS of libs who hated Charlie Kirk, who fully believed he was a nazi, a fascist, a racist. I saw a study that I wish I could find awhile back that showed that a MAJORITY of gen z lefties think violence is justified when hearing opposing viewpoints they deem problematic. It's really hard to wrap my head around the fact that the majority of a whole generation of democrats find violence acceptable to combat words. And then add on top of that the fact that any POV that goes against what they believe is immediately labeled "hate speech" or "racist" or "fascist." A big conspiracy isn't needed when you have radicalized nuts all over the place sitting around like ticking timebombs. If anything, I'm surprised these things haven't happened more often. 

[OlDawg]

Reporting is saying the shot was only 142 yards. This is the 2nd time—recently—someone with ill intent was able to get elevated at about that close a distance to a target at an outside gathering. Seems like security would check these areas more carefully now. Would seem to be an obvious thing to do…

[LumRaiderFan]

13 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

Highly doubtful this was a hit. There's this weird disconnect where the right wants to blame the left for radicalizing millions of leftists with their propaganda and rhetoric (I'm not arguing that point, it's obviously happened), but then every time one of those goofy nuts takes action a lot of the right refuses to believe that they could possibly have acted on their own accord. It's always a "conspiracy", a "hit", or some other crazy idea. There are literally MILLIONS of libs who hated Charlie Kirk, who fully believed he was a nazi, a fascist, a racist. I saw a study that I wish I could find awhile back that showed that a MAJORITY of gen z lefties think violence is justified when hearing opposing viewpoints they deem problematic. It's really hard to wrap my head around the fact that the majority of a whole generation of democrats find violence acceptable to combat words. And then add on top of that the fact that any POV that goes against what they believe is immediately labeled "hate speech" or "racist" or "fascist." A big conspiracy isn't needed when you have radicalized nuts all over the place sitting around like ticking timebombs. If anything, I'm surprised these things haven't happened more often. 

I believe it will in the future, the word you used is accurate, “acceptable”.

Many lefty radicals think this is acceptable even though many wouldn’t actually pull the trigger.  And no one make the argument that most on the left don’t feel this way, of course they don’t.

Apparently, if you can’t win in the arena of ideas, you eliminate them.

To some, this is now acceptable.

[OlDawg]

19 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

I believe it will in the future, the word you used is accurate, “acceptable”.

Many lefty radicals think this is acceptable even though many wouldn’t actually pull the trigger.  And no one make the argument that most on the left don’t feel this way, of course they don’t.

Apparently, if you can’t win in the arena of ideas, you eliminate them.

To some, this is now acceptable.

If anyone wonders where some of this comes from, it’s not just Ivy League. I think the X post says Dean of Student Conduct. Ironic. Don’t have X. So, harder for me to make out exactly.

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[LumRaiderFan]

9 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

If anyone wonders where some of this comes from, it’s not just Ivy League. I think the X post says Dean of Student Conduct. Ironic. Don’t have X. So, harder for me to make out exactly.

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And the scary part is…

From the article:

According to information from the university's website and 

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, the school fired Laura Sosh-Lightsy, who "joined the MTSU family in June 2004. Laura has over two decades of experience in student development."

[OlDawg]

7 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

And the scary part is…

From the article:

According to information from the university's website and 

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, the school fired Laura Sosh-Lightsy, who "joined the MTSU family in June 2004. Laura has over two decades of experience in student development."

Scary indeed.

Of course, I’d also be remiss if I didn’t mention that Trump didn’t order flags at half staff for the Minnesota lawmakers’ deaths.

This is the kind of stuff that gets fringe people inflamed as well. It will be blasted over MSM. He has a way of stepping into it.

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[Ty Cobb]

1 hour ago, bullets13 said:

Highly doubtful this was a hit. There's this weird disconnect where the right wants to blame the left for radicalizing millions of leftists with their propaganda and rhetoric (I'm not arguing that point, it's obviously happened), but then every time one of those goofy nuts takes action a lot of the right refuses to believe that they could possibly have acted on their own accord. It's always a "conspiracy", a "hit", or some other crazy idea. There are literally MILLIONS of libs who hated Charlie Kirk, who fully believed he was a nazi, a fascist, a racist. I saw a study that I wish I could find awhile back that showed that a MAJORITY of gen z lefties think violence is justified when hearing opposing viewpoints they deem problematic. It's really hard to wrap my head around the fact that the majority of a whole generation of democrats find violence acceptable to combat words. And then add on top of that the fact that any POV that goes against what they believe is immediately labeled "hate speech" or "racist" or "fascist." A big conspiracy isn't needed when you have radicalized nuts all over the place sitting around like ticking timebombs. If anything, I'm surprised these things haven't happened more often. 

I tried to like your post but I'm out of likes for today.  So, I'll just say thanks for your comments and explanation.

[OlDawg]

1 hour ago, bullets13 said:

Highly doubtful this was a hit. There's this weird disconnect where the right wants to blame the left for radicalizing millions of leftists with their propaganda and rhetoric (I'm not arguing that point, it's obviously happened), but then every time one of those goofy nuts takes action a lot of the right refuses to believe that they could possibly have acted on their own accord. It's always a "conspiracy", a "hit", or some other crazy idea. There are literally MILLIONS of libs who hated Charlie Kirk, who fully believed he was a nazi, a fascist, a racist. I saw a study that I wish I could find awhile back that showed that a MAJORITY of gen z lefties think violence is justified when hearing opposing viewpoints they deem problematic. It's really hard to wrap my head around the fact that the majority of a whole generation of democrats find violence acceptable to combat words. And then add on top of that the fact that any POV that goes against what they believe is immediately labeled "hate speech" or "racist" or "fascist." A big conspiracy isn't needed when you have radicalized nuts all over the place sitting around like ticking timebombs. If anything, I'm surprised these things haven't happened more often. 

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