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You gotta throw sc and Crosby in there. Sc with there qb and two receivers back and that transfer running back. And Crosby with the twins and that tight end coming back. If they find a defense they would be serious contenders in D2.
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Why do you think D2 is so much easier?  To me it's all the same.
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In my opinion there are a lot more tougher teams in D1 than in D2. At least it was that way last year. I'm not saying that all teams in D2 are push overs. I'm just saying D1 has a lot more powerhouse teams. IMO that is.
[/quote]I agree, the reason D2 is easier is because of the enrollment. Georgetown won 3 or 4 games in 5a before realignment. The powerhouse teams like Dawson, Georgetown, Summer Creek, and 4a state champ Denton Guyer all have enrollments around 2000 or above. All things being equal an extra 5-600 kids makes a big difference. Division 2 teams are usually within a couple hundred kids of each other which makes for less disparity between the teams.
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As far as state champions I would say Newton. One or two good players go a long way in 2a and Newton probably has the best one in the region. As far as my team, I though we were good enough to win the region in D2 last year and we'll be better this year. Had it not been for us squandering a double digit lead to Manor in the second half I feel we would have had their spot against eventual state champ Cedar Park in the semi-finals. Crosby gave up 33 ppg to the 6 playoff teams they played last year. If we can shave a few points off that with the offense a year more mature I think we should be a serious contender for the regional crown again, beyond that it's just a crap shoot.
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You gotta throw sc and Crosby in there. Sc with there qb and two receivers back and that transfer running back. And Crosby with the twins and that tight end coming back. If they find a defense they would be serious contenders in D2.
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Why do you think D2 is so much easier?  To me it's all the same.
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In my opinion there are a lot more tougher teams in D1 than in D2. At least it was that way last year. I'm not saying that all teams in D2 are push overs. I'm just saying D1 has a lot more powerhouse teams. IMO that is.
[/quote]I agree, the reason D2 is easier is because of the enrollment. Georgetown won 3 or 4 games in 5a before realignment. The powerhouse teams like Dawson, Georgetown, Summer Creek, and 4a state champ Denton Guyer all have enrollments around 2000 or above. All things being equal an extra 5-600 kids makes a big difference. Division 2 teams are usually within a couple hundred kids of each other which makes for less disparity between the teams.
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Then how do you explain some small schools consistently beating bigger schools or even schools from a lager classification?  BTW, I wouldn't consider Georgetown and SC powerhouses yet.  Nothing against them, but SC has one playoff win and Georgetown had one good year.  Dawson is proven, but that's about it.  Even they lose to a few smaller schools.
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You gotta throw sc and Crosby in there. Sc with there qb and two receivers back and that transfer running back. And Crosby with the twins and that tight end coming back. If they find a defense they would be serious contenders in D2.
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Why do you think D2 is so much easier?  To me it's all the same.
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In my opinion there are a lot more tougher teams in D1 than in D2. At least it was that way last year. I'm not saying that all teams in D2 are push overs. I'm just saying D1 has a lot more powerhouse teams. IMO that is.
[/quote]I agree, the reason D2 is easier is because of the enrollment. Georgetown won 3 or 4 games in 5a before realignment. The powerhouse teams like Dawson, Georgetown, Summer Creek, and 4a state champ Denton Guyer all have enrollments around 2000 or above. All things being equal an extra 5-600 kids makes a big difference. Division 2 teams are usually within a couple hundred kids of each other which makes for less disparity between the teams.
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Then how do you explain some small schools consistently beating bigger schools or even schools from a lager classification?  BTW, I wouldn't consider Georgetown and SC powerhouses yet.  Nothing against them, but SC has one playoff win and Georgetown had one good year.  Dawson is proven, but that's about it.  Even they lose to a few smaller schools.
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Which smaller schools are you talking about??
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You gotta throw sc and Crosby in there. Sc with there qb and two receivers back and that transfer running back. And Crosby with the twins and that tight end coming back. If they find a defense they would be serious contenders in D2.
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[b]Why do you think D2 is so much easier? [/b] To me it's all the same.
[/quote] Because when teams go D1 and lose in the second round... And a D2 team goes past the second round.. That is the reasoning used.. D2 was the easier route. Just ask AAW.
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In 3A last year it wouldn't have made a difference. Nobody in D1 was beating Stephenville and nobody in D2 was beating Navasota. They were the two best teams in 3A by far last year. Silsbee will make a nice run in the playoffs but, I don't think they bring home the trophy.
I think Newton has the best chance to bring home a championship. They made the semis last year and return a ton of starters. However, that doesn't mean that there isn't another team out there that might surprise people next year. There always seems to be a team that comes out of nowhere  and makes a deep run in the playoffs.
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You gotta throw sc and Crosby in there. Sc with there qb and two receivers back and that transfer running back. And Crosby with the twins and that tight end coming back. If they find a defense they would be serious contenders in D2.
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Why do you think D2 is so much easier?  To me it's all the same.
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In my opinion there are a lot more tougher teams in D1 than in D2. At least it was that way last year. I'm not saying that all teams in D2 are push overs. I'm just saying D1 has a lot more powerhouse teams. IMO that is.
[/quote]I agree, the reason D2 is easier is because of the enrollment. Georgetown won 3 or 4 games in 5a before realignment. The powerhouse teams like Dawson, Georgetown, Summer Creek, and 4a state champ Denton Guyer all have enrollments around 2000 or above. All things being equal an extra 5-600 kids makes a big difference. Division 2 teams are usually within a couple hundred kids of each other which makes for less disparity between the teams.
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Then how do you explain some small schools consistently beating bigger schools or even schools from a lager classification?  BTW, I wouldn't consider Georgetown and SC powerhouses yet.  Nothing against them, but SC has one playoff win and Georgetown had one good year.  Dawson is proven, but that's about it.  Even they lose to a few smaller schools.
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Which smaller schools are you talking about??
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Nederland beat Dawson.  I don't know what Dawson's enrollment is, but it is probably bigger than the 1490 or so at Nederland.
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I think Dayton will finially take it all this year since they got rid of that kicker that has been holding them back . Dayton can now focus on making TD's this will be thier year ;)
[/quote]---Unfortunately our new kicker will be just as good ! Maybe our coach will actually let him kick a field-goal in a game situation  :)
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You gotta throw sc and Crosby in there. Sc with there qb and two receivers back and that transfer running back. And Crosby with the twins and that tight end coming back. If they find a defense they would be serious contenders in D2.
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Why do you think D2 is so much easier?  To me it's all the same.
[/quote]
In my opinion there are a lot more tougher teams in D1 than in D2. At least it was that way last year. I'm not saying that all teams in D2 are push overs. I'm just saying D1 has a lot more powerhouse teams. IMO that is.
[/quote]I agree, the reason D2 is easier is because of the enrollment. Georgetown won 3 or 4 games in 5a before realignment. The powerhouse teams like Dawson, Georgetown, Summer Creek, and 4a state champ Denton Guyer all have enrollments around 2000 or above. All things being equal an extra 5-600 kids makes a big difference. Division 2 teams are usually within a couple hundred kids of each other which makes for less disparity between the teams.
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Then how do you explain some small schools consistently beating bigger schools or even schools from a lager classification?  BTW, I wouldn't consider Georgetown and SC powerhouses yet.  Nothing against them, but SC has one playoff win and Georgetown had one good year.  Dawson is proven, but that's about it.  Even they lose to a few smaller schools.
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Which smaller schools are you talking about??
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Nederland beat Dawson.  I don't know what Dawson's enrollment is, but it is probably bigger than the 1490 or so at Nederland.
[/quote]Dawson will be 6A next re-alignment and Pearland ppl are not pleased about it.
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I think Dayton will finially take it all this year since they got rid of that kicker that has been holding them back . Dayton can now focus on making TD's this will be thier year ;)
[/quote]---Unfortunately our new kicker will be just as good ! Maybe our coach will actually let him kick a field-goal in a game situation  :)
[/quote]dont count on it. Omar is a great kicker but i think they will have him playing offensive line.
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Who was the last setx team to win state and what year was it. I know there hasnt even been a 4a team win state  in our region since lm in 06.
[/quote]Newton. i forget the year but it was whenever Pendland was running the rock.
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Who was the last setx team to win state and what year was it. I know there hasnt even been a 4a team win state  in our region since lm in 06.
[/quote]Newton. i forget the year but it was whenever Pendland was running the rock.
[/quote]Newton is probably the best shot again. In the higher classifacations the dallas area and austin have been putting out the best teams. Katy is the one exception. I think dekaney was a one shot thing with trey williams. I would like to see a 4a or 5a team from setx do it but i dont see it happening.
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Who was the last setx team to win state and what year was it. I know there hasnt even been a 4a team win state  in our region since lm in 06.
[/quote]Newton. i forget the year but it was whenever Pendland was running the rock.
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Newton 2005  State Champ & Kirbyville was the last team to make it to the championship game in 2009
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You gotta throw sc and Crosby in there. Sc with there qb and two receivers back and that transfer running back. And Crosby with the twins and that tight end coming back. If they find a defense they would be serious contenders in D2.
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Why do you think D2 is so much easier?  To me it's all the same.
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In my opinion there are a lot more tougher teams in D1 than in D2. At least it was that way last year. I'm not saying that all teams in D2 are push overs. I'm just saying D1 has a lot more powerhouse teams. IMO that is.
[/quote]I agree, the reason D2 is easier is because of the enrollment. Georgetown won 3 or 4 games in 5a before realignment. The powerhouse teams like Dawson, Georgetown, Summer Creek, and 4a state champ Denton Guyer all have enrollments around 2000 or above. All things being equal an extra 5-600 kids makes a big difference. Division 2 teams are usually within a couple hundred kids of each other which makes for less disparity between the teams.
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Then how do you explain some small schools consistently beating bigger schools or even schools from a lager classification?  BTW, I wouldn't consider Georgetown and SC powerhouses yet.  Nothing against them, but SC has one playoff win and Georgetown had one good year.  Dawson is proven, but that's about it.  Even they lose to a few smaller schools.
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Which smaller schools are you talking about??
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Brenham, LaMarque, Navasota, Stephenville & Dayton.  Those schools have under 1,500 students and have consistently beat schools with a 2000+ enrollment.
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No SETX team will win state.
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Agree.  [b]None are even close[/b].
[/quote] wanna bet dinner at Hamburger Depot on that when you visit? There's a lil team that made the State Semis with only 8 seniors last year.  ;)
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You gotta throw sc and Crosby in there. Sc with there qb and two receivers back and that transfer running back. And Crosby with the twins and that tight end coming back. If they find a defense they would be serious contenders in D2.
[/quote]

Why do you think D2 is so much easier?  To me it's all the same.
[/quote]
In my opinion there are a lot more tougher teams in D1 than in D2. At least it was that way last year. I'm not saying that all teams in D2 are push overs. I'm just saying D1 has a lot more powerhouse teams. IMO that is.
[/quote]I agree, the reason D2 is easier is because of the enrollment. Georgetown won 3 or 4 games in 5a before realignment. The powerhouse teams like Dawson, Georgetown, Summer Creek, and 4a state champ Denton Guyer all have enrollments around 2000 or above. All things being equal an extra 5-600 kids makes a big difference. Division 2 teams are usually within a couple hundred kids of each other which makes for less disparity between the teams.
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Then how do you explain some small schools consistently beating bigger schools or even schools from a lager classification?  BTW, I wouldn't consider Georgetown and SC powerhouses yet.  Nothing against them, but SC has one playoff win and Georgetown had one good year.  Dawson is proven, but that's about it.  Even they lose to a few smaller schools.
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Which smaller schools are you talking about??
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Brenham, LaMarque, Navasota, Stephenville & Dayton.  Those schools have under 1,500 students and have consistently beat schools with a 2000+ enrollment.
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Forgot about Ned
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You gotta throw sc and Crosby in there. Sc with there qb and two receivers back and that transfer running back. And Crosby with the twins and that tight end coming back. If they find a defense they would be serious contenders in D2.
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Why do you think D2 is so much easier?  To me it's all the same.
[/quote]
In my opinion there are a lot more tougher teams in D1 than in D2. At least it was that way last year. I'm not saying that all teams in D2 are push overs. I'm just saying D1 has a lot more powerhouse teams. IMO that is.
[/quote]I agree, the reason D2 is easier is because of the enrollment. Georgetown won 3 or 4 games in 5a before realignment. The powerhouse teams like Dawson, Georgetown, Summer Creek, and 4a state champ Denton Guyer all have enrollments around 2000 or above. All things being equal an extra 5-600 kids makes a big difference. Division 2 teams are usually within a couple hundred kids of each other which makes for less disparity between the teams.
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Then how do you explain some small schools consistently beating bigger schools or even schools from a lager classification?  BTW, I wouldn't consider Georgetown and SC powerhouses yet.  Nothing against them, but SC has one playoff win and Georgetown had one good year.  Dawson is proven, but that's about it.  Even they lose to a few smaller schools.
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Which smaller schools are you talking about??
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Brenham, LaMarque, Navasota, Stephenville & Dayton.  Those schools have under 1,500 students and have consistently beat schools with a 2000+ enrollment.
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Forgot about Ned
[/quote]I guess i have a different definition of consistently then. Ned is the perfect example. I read an article earlier this year by some guy who had Ned winning the region and Cedar Park winning the state championship saying Cedar Park was the best 4a team in the state. At the time Ned was like 3-1 and Cedar Park was 2-2 so naturally i thought this guy was off his rocker and wasn't going to read that trash anymore. Ned played for a regional crown in d1 and Cedar Park won the state 4a crown in d2. he also said, ''with teams like Guyer, Georgetown'' and some San Antonio school ''dropping down they should already have a playoff spot reserved''. Georgetown has been in the 5a cellar the last couple of years, they won 15 games in 4a last year. I'm not at all being confrontational but what 4a playoff teams with 2000 kids has ned consistently beat? There's a single win over Dawson but 2 losses to 2k enrollment schools, before that it was consecutive first round losses to Crosby. Not even the great La Marque could consistently beat 2k enrollment Dawson and Manvel in the district and especially playoff time. What team like that has Dayton beat. Of course a good 4a team can beat the 5a teams like Atascosita, Chavez, Reagan, and South Houston but there's a difference between those high enrollment schools and a 4a district champ with 2000 kids. aying that I do believe any team can be beat a given night.
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You gotta throw sc and Crosby in there. Sc with there qb and two receivers back and that transfer running back. And Crosby with the twins and that tight end coming back. If they find a defense they would be serious contenders in D2.
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Why do you think D2 is so much easier?  To me it's all the same.
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In my opinion there are a lot more tougher teams in D1 than in D2. At least it was that way last year. I'm not saying that all teams in D2 are push overs. I'm just saying D1 has a lot more powerhouse teams. IMO that is.
[/quote]I agree, the reason D2 is easier is because of the enrollment. Georgetown won 3 or 4 games in 5a before realignment. The powerhouse teams like Dawson, Georgetown, Summer Creek, and 4a state champ Denton Guyer all have enrollments around 2000 or above. All things being equal an extra 5-600 kids makes a big difference. Division 2 teams are usually within a couple hundred kids of each other which makes for less disparity between the teams.
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Then how do you explain some small schools consistently beating bigger schools or even schools from a lager classification?  BTW, I wouldn't consider Georgetown and SC powerhouses yet.  Nothing against them, but SC has one playoff win and Georgetown had one good year.  Dawson is proven, but that's about it.  Even they lose to a few smaller schools.
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Which smaller schools are you talking about??
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Brenham, LaMarque, Navasota, Stephenville & Dayton.  Those schools have under 1,500 students and have consistently beat schools with a 2000+ enrollment.
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Forgot about Ned
[/quote]i guess i have a different definition of consistently then. ned is the perfect example. i read an article earlier this year by some guy who had ned winning the region and cedar park winning the state championship saying cedar park was the best 4a team in the state. at the time ned was like 3-1 and cedar park was 2-2 so naturally i thought this guy was off his rocker and wasn't going to read that trash anymore. ned played for a regional crown in d1 and cedar park won the state 4a crown in d2. he also said, ''with teams like guyer, georgetown'' and some san antonio school ''dropping down they should already have a playoff spot reserved''. georgetown has been in the 5a cellar the last couple of years, they won 15 games in 4a last year. i'm not at all being confrontational but what 4a playoff teams with 2000 kids has ned consistently beat. there's a single win over dawson but 2 losses to 2k enrollment schools, before that it was consecutive first round losses to crosby. not even the great la marque could consistently beat 2k enrollment dawson and manvel in the district and especially playoff time. what team like that has dayton beat. of course a good 4a team can beat the 5a teams like [b]atascosita[/b], chavez, reagan, and south houston but there's a difference between those high enrollment schools and a 4a district champ with 2000 kids. saying that i do believe any team can be beat a a given night.
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Atascocita is probably a bad example, they as well as Kingwood got slaughtered by the likes of Westfield and other schools 1000+ higher enrollment in 13-5a. I feel like just about anyone aside from a 5a powerhouse would experience a similar fate.
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You gotta throw sc and Crosby in there. Sc with there qb and two receivers back and that transfer running back. And Crosby with the twins and that tight end coming back. If they find a defense they would be serious contenders in D2.
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Why do you think D2 is so much easier?  To me it's all the same.
[/quote]
In my opinion there are a lot more tougher teams in D1 than in D2. At least it was that way last year. I'm not saying that all teams in D2 are push overs. I'm just saying D1 has a lot more powerhouse teams. IMO that is.
[/quote]I agree, the reason D2 is easier is because of the enrollment. Georgetown won 3 or 4 games in 5a before realignment. The powerhouse teams like Dawson, Georgetown, Summer Creek, and 4a state champ Denton Guyer all have enrollments around 2000 or above. All things being equal an extra 5-600 kids makes a big difference. Division 2 teams are usually within a couple hundred kids of each other which makes for less disparity between the teams.
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Then how do you explain some small schools consistently beating bigger schools or even schools from a lager classification?  BTW, I wouldn't consider Georgetown and SC powerhouses yet.  Nothing against them, but SC has one playoff win and Georgetown had one good year.  Dawson is proven, but that's about it.  Even they lose to a few smaller schools.
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Which smaller schools are you talking about??
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Brenham, LaMarque, Navasota, Stephenville & Dayton.  Those schools have under 1,500 students and have consistently beat schools with a 2000+ enrollment.
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Forgot about Ned
[/quote]i guess i have a different definition of consistently then. ned is the perfect example. i read an article earlier this year by some guy who had ned winning the region and cedar park winning the state championship saying cedar park was the best 4a team in the state. at the time ned was like 3-1 and cedar park was 2-2 so naturally i thought this guy was off his rocker and wasn't going to read that trash anymore. ned played for a regional crown in d1 and cedar park won the state 4a crown in d2. he also said, ''with teams like guyer, georgetown'' and some san antonio school ''dropping down they should already have a playoff spot reserved''. georgetown has been in the 5a cellar the last couple of years, they won 15 games in 4a last year. i'm not at all being confrontational but what 4a playoff teams with 2000 kids has ned consistently beat. there's a single win over dawson but 2 losses to 2k enrollment schools, before that it was consecutive first round losses to crosby. not even the great la marque could consistently beat 2k enrollment dawson and manvel in the district and especially playoff time. what team like that has dayton beat. of course a good 4a team can beat the 5a teams like [b]atascosita[/b], chavez, reagan, and south houston but there's a difference between those high enrollment schools and a 4a district champ with 2000 kids. saying that i do believe any team can be beat a a given night.
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Atascocita is probably a bad example, they as well as Kingwood got slaughtered by the likes of Westfield and other schools 1000+ higher enrollment in 13-5a. I feel like just about anyone aside from a 5a powerhouse would experience a similar fate.
[/quote]i agree, i wouldnt want to be in their district.
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Weren't the Ned losses to Crosby during the QB snakebitten years??? I know one year they were down to their 4th string qb, and think the other year they had to start a soph due to injury.  I don't think those are good barometers.  But I will say that any school worth their salt that has 500 more kids than another to choose from, is going to have a significant upper hand.  Doesn't mean they win everytime, but they have an advantage.  Lets say there are 250 boys, 50 of which want to play football.  25 of which are junior/seniors who can contribute.  Of those 25 extra players, finding even 3-4 who are starting caliber is a huge advantage from a depth perspective, and you may even have those diamonds in the rough that the extra players allow you to develop and find. 500-600 extra in enrollment is a fairly sizable advantage if your program is worth a dang.
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