oldschool2

It's not JUST about wins and losses.  I know it's the nature of the business but sometimes it shouldn't be.  Sometimes it truly is an unfavorable district/classification, in which the season would be completely different if not the case.  Sometimes strong senior classes graduate.  Sometimes good athletes decide not to play for whatever reason.  Sometimes rival teams get a transfer or more.  Or... sometimes you just don't have the horses.  The best trainer in the world won't win a horse race with a donkey.  None of that is the fault of the coach, yet that's who gets the blame every time.  I agree it's on their shoulders but all factors should be considered. 

I'm sure it's closer to never.  I'd bet that they don't even meet with any of these coaches that they so openly ridicule behind a computer screen.

I'm sure it's closer to never.  I'd bet that they don't even meet with any of these coaches that they so openly ridicule behind a computer screen.

I've said this very thing before.  

I've said this very thing before.  

Not the right decision in my opinion.  Sometimes change is necessary for various reasons.. but wins/losses are influenced by much more than the ability to coach.  Many times, coaches only have what they have and nobody could've done any better.  But making boys into good citizens, that's quite a feat. 

Coaches all over the state are fired all of the time for not producing in the "W" column... even if they greatly impact the lives of the players they coach.  

When a high school coach has a great year in the first year they're there, they did it with someone else's kids.  Players that were technically developed by the coach/coaches that were there before they took the job.  Same thing could be said about college/pro.  Unless... they're bringing their own players or players showed up the same year.  Or... something as simple as a league/classification change literally makes all the difference in the world.  That's happened so many times that it can't even be imagined.  Which is another conversation.  It is definitely plausible to assume that they changed the system or used the players in a different capacity... but they're still not "their" players.
However.. when a coach does have significant time to actually develop players and implement a system and set of expectations... that doesn't mean that the players will have championship caliber ability.  Maybe they became better and more competitive than they ever would've been otherwise.  That would be masked by a less than "expected" season according to the mob/community.  Everyone will always have different definitions of success.  To some, it's a championship. That should always be the goal but there's a long path from playoffs, district championship, area championship, region championship.... to state championship.  And assuming that 4-7 years is the "deadline" to make it happen.. the number of factors that influence that other than the right coach is immense.  Stop growing, move, lose interest, classification change, fail, get a girl pregnant, opposing teams transfers (the getting of), and so many other factors that can change a season that the coach has zero control of it's not even funny.  These conversations just make me shake my head.
I can't emphasize this enough: There are multiple places in the state/country that could NOT have won it all with the current players they have, no matter who the coach is or how long they've been there.  I really don't care who disagrees with that.

First of all.. I wasn't saying that you said that.  There's a frequent poster here that believes in the "7 years or you're gone" philosophy.  That person knows that I'm referring to them.
Second... um... Newton was 12-2 this year.  They lost in round FOUR.  What are you talking about?

Imagine responding to a post seriously... not knowing that you're being made fun of.

Curtis Barbay won two state titles in 36 years.  That's a lot of "7 year windows" that he didn't get it done.  Maybe they should just leave him alone.

Doesn't matter.. even if you're correct.  State title or bust, right?  7 years to get it done or you're fired. 

Know what post I've never seen?  I've never seen someone say, "I decided to become an official and help.  I've heard there's a shortage and I'm not satisfied with the product I've seen during games when it comes to officiating... So I'm going to be proactive."
What I HAVE SEEN... is a seemingly endless amount of whining and complaining.  I suppose it's easier to be an expert from the bleachers. 

Curtis Barbay won two state titles in 36 years.  That's a lot of "7 year windows" that he didn't get it done.  Maybe they should just leave him alone.

Curtis Barbay won two state titles in 36 years.  That's a lot of "7 year windows" that he didn't get it done.  Maybe they should just leave him alone.

Curtis Barbay won two state titles in 36 years.  That's a lot of "7 year windows" that he didn't get it done.  Maybe they should just leave him alone.

Can't stop it.

Imagine responding to a post seriously... not knowing that you're being made fun of.

Looks like Hardin played KV to a couple possession game.  Don't discount them as a potential win either.

Imagine responding to a post seriously... not knowing that you're being made fun of.

Imagine responding to a post seriously... not knowing that you're being made fun of.

Imagine responding to a post seriously... not knowing that you're being made fun of.

Imagine responding to a post seriously... not knowing that you're being made fun of.

Or Kountze?.. 

I think 7 is all you get.. according to some.  Of course, very rarely does anyone stay that long for various reasons.