oldschool2

Punctuation matters. 

Only in high school football.  You forgot that part..

How many schools in the state have never been past round 3?  What if a school has never in its history won 2 playoff games in the same year and hardly ever even makes the playoffs?  What if it's a school like Sabine Pass.. or Warren?  You know.. habitual punching bags.  Then a coach starts making the playoffs consistently and maybe wins a playoff game every once in a while.  
Still need to be fired for not getting to at least 4th round in 7 years?

I'm not proposing anything.  I don't know that anything can be done, actually.  In fact, one could argue that it was all of the things I mentioned that money buys that made it possible for kids without the God given athleticism to be competitive.  It just got out of control in that direction.
Suggestions?  I don't have any.  There will always be haves and have nots unfortunately. 

You can't make a donkey win a race horse... no matter how good the trainer is.

You can't make a donkey win a race horse... no matter how good the trainer is.

You can't make a donkey win a race horse... no matter how good the trainer is.

Yeah, I'm done.  It's like arguing with a wall anyway.

Yeah, I'm done.  It's like arguing with a wall anyway.

Yeah, I'm done.  It's like arguing with a wall anyway.

By agreeing with me, you're admitting that the "7 year program" doesn't work without players good enough to win.  Which is what we've all been saying for several pages now.  

He has a list of coaches that he deems "elite".. that have either won multiple state championships, state championships at more than one school, or both.  And he believes that any of those coaches or any coach of that caliber would go to any school, of any classification, with any level of talent/ability, and win a state championship within 7 years.

This too.  100% correct. 

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Etheridge Records after 1977
'78- 6-4
'79- 4-5-1
'80- 7-3
'81- 3-7
'82- 4-6
'83- 6-3-1
'84- 2-8 @Round Rock"
 
You still didn't explain that ^.  I need your explanation to why he (AN ELITE COACH) managed a 7 year stretch that you would've fired him for... after winning his 2nd state title.  4 of those 7 years were below .500.  Explain that.
It's not about taking hall of fame status away.. just admitting that he didn't have the players.  Proving that even a great coach can't do it without good players.  Like I've said countless times, Bill Belichick is an average to below average coach without Tom Brady.  79-87 without him, to be exact. 

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Etheridge Records after 1977
'78- 6-4
'79- 4-5-1
'80- 7-3
'81- 3-7
'82- 4-6
'83- 6-3-1
'84- 2-8 @Round Rock"
 
You still didn't explain that ^.  I need your explanation to why he (AN ELITE COACH) managed a 7 year stretch that you would've fired him for... after winning his 2nd state title.  4 of those 7 years were below .500.  Explain that.
It's not about taking hall of fame status away.. just admitting that he didn't have the players.  Proving that even a great coach can't do it without good players.  Like I've said countless times, Bill Belichick is an average to below average coach without Tom Brady.  79-87 without him, to be exact. 

Everybody here know this... except for one.

This too.  100% correct. 

Great point.. but it doesn't make sense to pretend that the idea is anything other than what it is.. idiotic.  Even coaches on his own list of elite coaches were proven do have mediocre or poor seasons after winning their 2nd+ state title.  

Great point.. but it doesn't make sense to pretend that the idea is anything other than what it is.. idiotic.  Even coaches on his own list of elite coaches were proven do have mediocre or poor seasons after winning their 2nd+ state title.  

I found another I'd forgotten about.  Lee Fedora.  He actually embarrassed Coach Thompson and WOS on his way to his first of 2 state titles in Navasota (elite).. and then went to A&M Consolidated for 6 years and couldn't get past the first couple rounds.  What the heck??  That doesn't make sense... He's "elite" so he should've at least gotten back to Austin, right?  I don't understand you're exact way of thinking. 

First of all, the names I mentioned aren't exceptions to the rule.  They also represent a few of many that had great success and then average or below average seasons after at some point.  Even the Great G.A. Moore had some somewhat mediocre seasons mixed in between those title runs.  His last year as a head coach was a losing season.  And you're talking about schools that are powers either beforehand or since said coach left.  Celina, Pilot Point, suburb Austin, Aledo.. are you serious?  Areas of the state that have gone through the most substantial transformations of wealth/growth over the last couple decades anywhere.  Same thing happened in the Beaumont area during the oil boom.  And the Permian Basin area during that oil boom.
I will never not give credit to CT for how he handled WOS prior to the current coach.. but I think it had to do with player management more than anything (a coaching quality no doubt).  Because I was told that this year's WOS team had players walking off the field during games, insanely poor attitudes, etc.  And that might just be the main difference, because like you said and I agree with.. same kids, different coach.  But I don't attribute that to coaching ability (Xs and Os) as much as I do player management.  Time will tell with all of that.
PNG- same sentiment.  Time will tell.  This was a great year for them but they're losing a bunch of seniors.  How confident are you that they'll repeat or somewhat repeat the level of success they had this year?
I personally think Phil Danaher and Tim Buchanan have a very similar qualification to be hired.  Buchanan has an unprecedented 8 state titles... but, at a school with 3 state titles during that same time period when he wasn't head coach.  And almost his entire career was spent at Aledo.  Danaher may not have rings but he has a lot of success at 3 different schools that didn't have anywhere near that level of success without him.  Like I said.. being an elite coach doesn't JUST mean winning state titles.  I'm not gonna sway on that.  You're obviously not going to sway on your opinion.  It is what it is.
There isn't a coach you named that could EVER win a state championship at countless school across the state right now or within 7 years of now.  I'll bet every dollar I've ever made or will ever make on that.  Coincidentally, there are a ton of great coaches right now that could have similar levels of success right now or within 7 years at some schools across the state.

I’m going to use a local example from a different sport of two men I think do a great job with what they have at what they try to do.
Coach Joubert at Kountze and Coach Sutherland at EC.  Both with 2 or more state titles (elite according to you).  Both well over 7 years since their last state title.  Kountze, coincidentally, is fighting for a playoff spot (4th place).  Are they worse coaches than they were? Please explain.

None of that will matter to him.  Etheridge is "elite".

First of all, the names I mentioned aren't exceptions to the rule.  They also represent a few of many that had great success and then average or below average seasons after at some point.  Even the Great G.A. Moore had some somewhat mediocre seasons mixed in between those title runs.  His last year as a head coach was a losing season.  And you're talking about schools that are powers either beforehand or since said coach left.  Celina, Pilot Point, suburb Austin, Aledo.. are you serious?  Areas of the state that have gone through the most substantial transformations of wealth/growth over the last couple decades anywhere.  Same thing happened in the Beaumont area during the oil boom.  And the Permian Basin area during that oil boom.
I will never not give credit to CT for how he handled WOS prior to the current coach.. but I think it had to do with player management more than anything (a coaching quality no doubt).  Because I was told that this year's WOS team had players walking off the field during games, insanely poor attitudes, etc.  And that might just be the main difference, because like you said and I agree with.. same kids, different coach.  But I don't attribute that to coaching ability (Xs and Os) as much as I do player management.  Time will tell with all of that.
PNG- same sentiment.  Time will tell.  This was a great year for them but they're losing a bunch of seniors.  How confident are you that they'll repeat or somewhat repeat the level of success they had this year?
I personally think Phil Danaher and Tim Buchanan have a very similar qualification to be hired.  Buchanan has an unprecedented 8 state titles... but, at a school with 3 state titles during that same time period when he wasn't head coach.  And almost his entire career was spent at Aledo.  Danaher may not have rings but he has a lot of success at 3 different schools that didn't have anywhere near that level of success without him.  Like I said.. being an elite coach doesn't JUST mean winning state titles.  I'm not gonna sway on that.  You're obviously not going to sway on your opinion.  It is what it is.
There isn't a coach you named that could EVER win a state championship at countless school across the state right now or within 7 years of now.  I'll bet every dollar I've ever made or will ever make on that.  Coincidentally, there are a ton of great coaches right now that could have similar levels of success right now or within 7 years at some schools across the state.

There are always and will always be exceptions to the rule.  Especially when a school gets a run of D1 commits through the program.  Either way.. it's documented that household income, school tax base, and poverty correlate to success in athletics.  To ignore that is just naïve.  You should take a field trip to other areas of the state and look at what poor schools are competing with.  State of art facilities, immaculate neighborhoods, brand new businesses, etc.  Player A (6'4 220) has two working parents, attends summer camps/workouts around the country, has a dietician, has a personal trainer, has a private tutor, has 24hr access to the nicest facilities money can buy, has 3+ of the most nutritious meals imaginable that are specifically designed for health/performance, and has a team full of friends/teammates with the same exact life.  Player B (6'4 220) has to work summers/weekends to help around the house, can't afford sports camp, eats whatever happens to be in the house, lifts/trains alone in a 30 year old weight room when he can find a ride, has zero teammates willing to put in extra work with him.
Who has the head start, Player A or Player B?  If you don't think that and similar scenarios play out across the state... you're either ignorant or stubborn.

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