#1stangfan

8 minutes ago, 3rdone said:

That's my point. I didn't say we never had decent guys...my point is they don't develop QB's. That's not a knock on WOS AT ALL! They're a defensive minded program and it has worked. But if you take a serious look throughout the history (recent) there are a few games that WOS could've won with better "developed" QB play...that's all. How is any of that a knock on WOS??

Didn’t mean that any of it is a knock.  For the longest they were one of the smaller schools in 4A and even after realignment.  Their strategy was to load defense since there wasn’t a ton of guys to spread around.

what I could definitely agree with is that the coaches stayed with some QBs because of their seniority.

anyway....good discussion.  Just my thoughts.

2 minutes ago, Cherokee88 said:

WOS overlooked these guys  and it almost got them, but that is the sign of a great program (coming out flat and still able to beat a decent team).

WOS tightens things up and they are going to have a chance to play December football.

LCM played good football, 2 D1 players can sure cover up some issues, maybe they can tighten up some special teams problems and figure out how to beat the Pirates & Raiders this year for the district crown.  

 

Coach Hickman is star in the making, WOS fans need to be patient and enjoy the ride they are about to be on. 

 

I highly doubt they overlooked a top 10 team and crosstown rival 

6 minutes ago, 3rdone said:

How and why? 

 

Under Hooks, that makes some sense.  It was a different era of football.  Running game and defense.

6 minutes ago, 3rdone said:

I played at WOS...they do not put a lot of emphasis on it like schools are now. WOS has always been a defensive juggernaut. That's why they put the best athletes on defense. QB position at WOS has always been who can execute what we call and understand where everyone is supposed to be...that's it. Every now and then a "Jack Dallas" comes through and 4 in a row happens.

 

Or 3 in a row and another guy gets there for #4.  There were a couple of guys ahead of Jack that WOS was ready to ride with that were talented.  Yes, schools are putting more emphasis on it now as you allude to.  Because football overall is becoming very “offense first”.

3 minutes ago, 3rdone said:

IF WOS EVER puts some serious emphasis in the QB position (Like they do defense) they would be almost unbeatable. The QB position has ALWAYS been an overlooked position at WOS. I mean serious development (Westlake style)...this school would be absolutely scary to play. Athletes EVERYWHERE!!!

I’m sure coaches throughout the years of WOS realize the importance of the QB.  Not everyone has the talent pool and resources of an Austin Westlake.

WOS has the ball?

1 minute ago, mat said:

Dog fight! One will leave a winner. The other team will leave as a better team.

I don’t think you will see that on a poster !

Let me know when this “runaway” happens.  It’s pretty dang close

Score?

and is Keyshawn playing QB?  The one that won’t go down

10 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

 

 

Y'all got rid of those concrete bleachers?  I miss those 32 inch step downs every time I want to go to that repurposed tool shack from over at Firestone that y'all call a concession stand.   

And the swampy parking lot on the visitor's side?  I miss having to lock in the diffs to get out of there if it's rained in the last 45 days. 

What about the world's smallest video screen?  Did they ever get that thing fixed?

Last time I checked, your band didn't even have uniforms.  Out there marching around like it's the first day of summer band camp in shorts and tshirts. 

 

I can go on all day. 

 

I bet stepping down 32” and walking to the swampy parking lot was even harder heading after taking one of y’all’s regular beatings at that stadium.

2 hours ago, LCMAlumtiger32 said:

Silsbee’s biggest problem in football is the lack of defense. If the defense tightens up I think the Tigers could be real good. 

Silsbee’s biggest problem in the past has been defense.  And WOS hired their former DC.  Idk

Hopefully he will do some play by play on SETX or Texanlive.  Gary Stelly is one of the best.

I recall listening to games all the way back to 1988 (I’m sure there are some earlier).  When I couldn’t make a game, Gary was the next best thing!

I wish him and the KOGT folks nothing but the best.  I will miss my daily visits to KOGT.COM

My fondest memory will be listening to the 2000 WOS VS CAL ALLEN game on replay.  Stelly was mucho annoyed by the constant “go, go, go” by the Cal Allen cheerleaders.  His call of the game winning score still sticks with me.

Any know the number of penalties and yardage for each team?

3 hours ago, tigernation280 said:

I think that the mustang fans are going to have a rude awakeing tonight.  We are a better second half team, And i think you west orange fans are A little to confident coming into this one. I say Silsbee 30-14 

Being a better second half team must be a new thing.  It certainly wasn’t there in the first matchup with WOS.

1 minute ago, LC-M said:

4 if you count orangefield and Comminty Christian Orange city limits is right front Orangefield high  

True

4 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

So is silsbee getting transfers from out of town? Or just some Caney heads from outside the city limits?

Orange has two schools as well so comparing silsbee town size to Orange is a little skewed.  

1 hour ago, GUNHO said:

Isn't he the qb that finally beat La Marque?

No sir.  He was the in the middle of the 80’s runs.

J Feathers and Kenton James were QBs they beat La Marque 10-6 in 2000

55 minutes ago, Majestyk said:

I will put it simply, Jack Dallas was a winner. One other I put on that list,,,Tremaine Lewis. WO-S has had some really good QBs but those two make that list.

Tremaine Lewis...well said sir

1 minute ago, ATTITUDE IS EVERYTHING said:

There will never be another jack. 

Yeah that was something.  Cole transfers and the guy behind him has some unfortunate circumstances.....and Jack is suddenly the starter.  I recall calling my game buddies that couldn’t make the game that night and telling them “I think we are going to be ok.  There is something about him...he has guts for sure”.

His money should be no good at any restaurant in Orange!! Lol

There has been a lot of talk about the X’s and O’s, which team has gotten better, who made adjustments since the last meeting etc.  Some are good points.

One thing that I feel certain is in the WOS corner is conditioning.  If the game is close late in the 3rd....advantage WOS.

8 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

Weather effects both teams and benefits NO ONE.  Smh.  It's all about preparation and execution...

I tried to reply earlier but it didn’t happen.  I don’t think there is a clear cut benefit to either team.  Even with a passing team the DB can slip and leave the WR open.

It does add an element of luck or it wouldn’t be talked about so much with NFL games where the money (betting) matters.

I do think the better team won in the playoffs in 2018 and I do feel WOS got a little lucky in the regular season in 2018.  I feel WOS is slightly the better team this year.  For both teams sake, I hope the weather doesn’t chime in.

14 hours ago, JimThorpe said:

Oh, I do hope you'll need your rain gear.

Who else is superstitious about sports?  I certainly was when I played back in the ancient times.  Silly.  I had to eat a grapefruit on Thursday night watching a particular TV show or else I would jinx us.  Don't remember the show, don't remember how it got started.  

Last night I felt I had to change seats at the half because the Tigers were flat.  Seemed like the Buffaloes had the formula.  The Tigers weren't out of it by any means but they needed some breaks and some big plays.     So I changed seats and look what happened, 28 unanswered points in the second half.  My rational brain tells me that it's happenstance coupled with the fact that the Tigers stepped up and performed.  But my primitive brain tells me it was all because I changed seats.

Last year at Legacy there was a moment when it looked like Cuero was about to take control for good.  The grandkids were with us there at Legacy and they are big Harry Potter fans.  Cuero had just scored and was driving again so I told them needed something so they should cast a spell.  Happily they obliged.  They consulted among themselves and came up with a hex and chanted some Potter stuff and waved their arms and the next play the Tigers recovered a fumble and ran it back for a touchdown.  I mean the very next play!  Remember the play?  It was hilarious!  You should have seen their faces.  "Granddaddy!  It worked!  It actually worked!  We did it!  We did it!"  It's become legend in our family already.

See?  That's how these things get started.

And now it's the rain.  If it rains the Tigers will beat the Mustangs in playoff situations.  The quality of the teams has nothing to do with it.  It's the rain you see.  I was there in 98, wasn't it at TJ stadium?  My daughter was a senior.  I was there last year when it was obvious to everyone that WOS looked very uncomfortable right from the start but the Tigers seemed to be thrilled thrilled that it was storming.  Weather is the great equalized and that's factual and reasonable.  But what day it decides to rain is happenstance.  And I love it.  And why not?Usually these things are decided in delivery rooms 17 or 18 years ago or by who moves to what town are by who can find and keep the best coach.  But every now and then fate rears it's disturbing head. 

I wonder if the Mustangs would trade every single one of those regular season wins for the two Tiger postseason wins?  Oh those lovely intangibles.

Anyway, PM showers on Thursday but it will have moved off by Friday.  Oh well.  Doesn't mean the Tigers have to lose.  Does it?  I'm calling the grandkids.

Would they trade EVERY SINGLE regular season wins for the playoff wins?

No.  That would mean different playoff seeding and in some instances, that particular WOS team wasn’t that good.

1 hour ago, AggiesAreWe said:

One thing going for Silsbee, they have never lost to WO-S in the playoffs.

Well, that is due to a couple of things.  Recently, Silsbee was in a different classification.  Other than that....they didn’t make it far enough for the teams to meet up.  So thus far 1998 and 2018 are the claim to fame.

Yes sir....Smaller school problems.  At least these schools are fortunate enough to have the athletes 

I think he would be utilized more if he weren’t such a big piece of the defense.