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thetragichippy reacted to a post in a topic: 1 + 1 + 1 = ?
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I hate to think that they are manipulating the roster some way. I hope not. They are going after Suarez at Arizona.
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What’s the citizenship status of the children of illegal aliens? That question has spurred quite a debate over the 14th Amendment lately, with the news that several states—including Pennsylvania, Arizona, Oklahoma, Georgia, and South Carolina—may launch efforts to deny automatic citizenship to such children. Critics claim that anyone born in the United States is automatically a U.S. citizen, even if their parents are here illegally. But that ignores the text and legislative history of the 14th Amendment, which was ratified in 1868 to extend citizenship to freed slaves and their children. The 14th Amendment doesn’t say that all persons born in the U.S. are citizens. It says that “[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” are citizens. That second, critical, conditional phrase is conveniently ignored or misinterpreted by advocates of “birthright” citizenship. Critics erroneously believe that anyone present in the United States has “subjected” himself “to the jurisdiction” of the United States, which would extend citizenship to the children of tourists, diplomats, and illegal aliens alike. But that is not what that qualifying phrase means. Its original meaning refers to the political allegiance of an individual and the jurisdiction that a foreign government has over that individual. The fact that a tourist or illegal alien is subject to our laws and our courts if they violate our laws does not place them within the political “jurisdiction” of the United States as that phrase was defined by the framers of the 14th Amendment. This amendment’s language was derived from the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which provided that “[a]ll persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power” would be considered citizens. Sen. Lyman Trumbull, a key figure in the adoption of the 14th Amendment, said that “subject to the jurisdiction” of the U.S. included not owing allegiance to any other country. As John Eastman, former dean of the Chapman School of Law, has said, many do not seem to understand “the distinction between partial, territorial jurisdiction, which subjects all who are present within the territory of a sovereign to the jurisdiction of that sovereign’s laws, and complete political jurisdiction, which requires allegiance to the sovereign as well.” In the famous Slaughter-House cases of 1872, the Supreme Court stated that this qualifying phrase was intended to exclude “children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.” This was confirmed in 1884 in another case, Elk vs. Wilkins, when citizenship was denied to an American Indian because he “owed immediate allegiance to” his tribe and not the United States. American Indians and their children did not become citizens until Congress passed the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. There would have been no need to pass such legislation if the 14th Amendment extended citizenship to every person born in America, no matter what the circumstances of their birth, and no matter who their parents are. Even in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, the 1898 case most often cited by “birthright” supporters due to its overbroad language, the court only held that a child born of lawful, permanent residents was a U.S. citizen. That is a far cry from saying that a child born of individuals who are here illegally must be considered a U.S. citizen. Of course, the judges in that case were strongly influenced by the fact that there were discriminatory laws in place at that time that restricted Chinese immigration, a situation that does not exist today. The court’s interpretation of the 14th Amendment as extending to the children of legal, noncitizens was incorrect, according to the text and legislative history of the amendment. But even under that holding, citizenship was not extended to the children of illegal aliens—only permanent, legal residents. It is just plain wrong to claim that the children born of parents temporarily in the country as students or tourists are automatically U.S. citizens: They do not meet the 14th Amendment’s jurisdictional allegiance obligations. They are, in fact, subject to the political jurisdiction (and allegiance) of the country of their parents. The same applies to the children of illegal aliens because children born in the United States to foreign citizens are citizens of their parents’ home country. Federal law offers them no help either. U.S. immigration law (8 U.S.C. § 1401) simply repeats the language of the 14th Amendment, including the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” The State Department has erroneously interpreted that statute to provide passports to anyone born in the United States, regardless of whether their parents are here illegally and regardless of whether the applicant meets the requirement of being “subject to the jurisdiction” of the U.S. Accordingly, birthright citizenship has been implemented by executive fiat, not because it is required by federal law or the Constitution. We are only one of a very small number of countries that provides birthright citizenship, and we do so based not upon the requirements of federal law or the Constitution, but based upon an erroneous executive interpretation. Congress should clarify the law according to the original meaning of the 14th Amendment and reverse this practice. [Hidden Content]
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Oh no. Shot down by an Aggie. Many variations of all those jokes, but if you say 3, I can live with it.
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The Astros put pitcher Brandon Walter on the injured list with left elbow inflammation. They now have a major-league high 18 players on the IL Brandon Walter had a 3.35 ERA across 53.2 innings and nine starts for the Astros. He'd gone at least six innings and allowed two or fewer earned runs in six of those starts. A consequential loss.
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Being that I am an Aggie, I have heard the light bulb joke many many times. It has always been 3. Never ever heard it told as 100. Carry on.
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1 to hold the lightbulb, 99 to turn the house. That's 100. Checked on Ghislaine today? If she doesn’t guve up Trump, will you believe her. Epstein’s lawyer already said no in in office is on the “list” and here you are still trying to convict without evidence. That’s so typical of liberals…..kinda like a lynch mob.
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CardinalBacker reacted to a post in a topic: The 14th Amendment & Birthright Citizenship
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The 14th Amendment & Birthright Citizenship
thetragichippy replied to OlDawg's topic in Political Forum
You are probably correct, I have not researched, but I don't believe we were vetting then like we do now. After the Patriot Act, things got pretty tight -
Lordy Lordy. That’s one of the oldest ones in the book. One to hold the lightbulb, two to turn the ladder. That’s three in my little arithmetic primer.
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It's not that long of a clip. Listen to the end and you'll be surprised.
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First of all, this was a poll in February of 2024 by the Presidential Greatness Project made up of only two people with only 154 respondents to the survey. I would like to know the political breakdown of those 154 people. The LA Times (commie rag) talked about this same survey. Based on this survey it stated: "Indeed, every modern Republican president has dropped in the survey, including the transformational Ronald Reagan (No. 16) and George H.W. Bush (No. 19), who led the nation’s last decisive military victory. Every contemporary Democratic president has moved up in the ranks — Barack Obama (No. 7), Bill Clinton (No. 12) and even Jimmy Carter (No. 22). I don't think anyone in their right mind would say Yobama was a better President than Reagan. It also had JoeBama ahead of Reagan. These two statements right there shows this is a sham survey! BTW -- the first 6 months of Trump's presidency has been the most consequence of any president in the past 70 years!
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If you need a historian to tell you how well a president did his job while you were personally front and center, you’re not very smart. By the way, Fox didn’t do the poll, lol. You must get tired of having to have everything explained to you.
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The 14th Amendment & Birthright Citizenship
CardinalBacker replied to OlDawg's topic in Political Forum
I don’t know of any other country that has a policy like ours…. “If you’re born here, you and your family can stay.” To understand the 14th, you have to remember that the US had a labor shortage based on the end of slavery. We encouraged people to come here and fill our demand for cheap labor. A simple promise of “come here… you’ll have a chance to carve out a good life for yourself-the possibilities are endless” was all that was promised. In 2025, the promise is free housing, free food, a free education, free health care. It’s a “free ride” for immigrants that is hardly free for the American taxpayers. If your wife drops a kid while you’re taking a late-gestation vacation in Mexico, guess what? You’d better get your yankee butts back to America, because you can’t stay there, and you dang sure don’t get benefits. -
No. Frederick Trump was born in New York City in 1905 to Trump’s grandfather who was recognized as a U.S. citizen around 1892.
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The 14th Amendment & Birthright Citizenship
CardinalBacker replied to OlDawg's topic in Political Forum
But those 19 were here (or at least came here) legally. -
SmashMouth reacted to a post in a topic: RIP Ozzy
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Wasnt Trump's dad an anchor baby?
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Your beloved Fox News. Trump is dead last, as he should be. Lmbo
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Once you control the food…..
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I believe they are known as the Father of Heavy Metal.
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I’m here all weekend. 😁
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Didn’t know he is headed to UTEP! Bellville has a LB headed there and has a OL with a offer from them as well… Gonna be pulling double duty while at Bellville games and having the Silsbee game on my phone as well this year.
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baddog reacted to a post in a topic: Government Run Grocery Store
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Easy distinction. Socialism is when a very few rich people who aren’t in the ruling party still have a nickel. Everyone else has less. Communism is when you look up at the people with less in envy.