**WO-S at HJ Broadcast---7:50 Tonight** Hawks win 68-49!

[The Cook]

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BTW, on Gus's play where he tipped the ball out of WOS player's hands, then he went out of bounds but established himself inbounds before he took the ball and dribbled upcourt..... the WOS coach seemed to have a problem with that.  Isn't that legal, provided Gus came back inbounds completely before touching the ball again (he was the first player touching it after he came back in bounds).
[/quote]Does anyone know if this ruling was correct?  I thought it was, but several experts in the stands claimed that the man out of bounds can not be the first to touch the ball.
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According to this (NCAA):

[quote]Rule 9
Section 4. Player Out of Bounds
Art. 1. A player who steps out of bounds under his/her own volition and then
becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court
has committed a violation.
a. A violation has not been committed when a player, who steps out of
bounds as permitted by Rule 7-5.6.b, does not receive the pass along
the end line by a teammate and is the first to touch the ball after his
or her return to the playing court.
Art. 2. After the throw-in is completed, the thrower-in must touch the
playing floor inbounds before touching the ball.[/quote]


I did not see the play but as it has been described, I don't think he was going out of bounds to receive a throw in (section a) or was pushed. If he was the first player to touch the ball after reentering it should have been a violation. If he was out of bounds and reestablished position then received a pass from a team mate it was not a violation (The team mate was the first person to touch the ball) and he was inbounds to get the pass.

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"Under his own volition" is the key. If he goes out of bounds to avoid a screen or a player, then it is a violation. If he moves towards a player or the ball to block a shot or in this case tip/steal the ball & his momentum carries him OB, then it is not a violation providing he re-establishes court position. Same rule for NFHS or NCAA.

[Lazeek]

Well here is how it went down...........Gus comes from the side and slightly behind and knocks the ball loose from the WOS player, his momentum carries him out of bounds.  He quickly makes a turn, established himself back in bounds and stole the ball which led to a fast break layup for the Hawks.

You make the call!!! ;D ;D ;D

[86hawk]

2 points.  assuming he didn't miss the lay up.

[FanintheStands]

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="963665" timestamp="1297282140"]
Well here is how it went down...........Gus comes from the side and slightly behind and knocks the ball loose from the WOS player, his momentum carries him out of bounds.  He quickly makes a turn, established himself back in bounds and stole the ball which led to a fast break layup for the Hawks.

You make the call!!! ;D ;D ;D
[/quote]Well, the coach from WOS certainly thinks the ref made the wrong call.  He wasted a whole timeout "discussing" this dilemma with the referee.

And yes, Lazeek called it right.  Gus knocked the ball away from the WOS player, but his momentum sent him out of bounds.  While the ball was loose, Gus stepped back in and CLEARLY re-established both feet in bounds before he reached out and grabbed the ball in the corner.  10 dribbles later and a quick back door pass found Bosha making an easy layup.

Score HJ!!! Timeout WOS.

[FanintheStands]

It was also a very heads up play by HJ when they received the back court pass from WOS that wasn't called back court.  Instead of stopping like everyone else did, it was dribble, dribble, pass, and Sutherland for 3!

Incidentally, I have no clue why the ref's never called back court on that play, for it clearly was.

[Lazeek]

Sutherland was HOT last night from behind the arc..........must be the talk I had with him before the game!!! ;) ;) ;)

[Lazeek]

SCORING---



WOS    10-11-12-16----49
HJ          8-22-17-21----68


WOS---

Brooks    11
Simmons    11
Colbert    6
Richard    5
Redd    5
Foster    3
Anderson    3
Ledet  3
Rhodes  2



HJ----

Prudhomme    22
Sutherland    21
Bosha    8
Persohn  4
Harmon  4
Vallery    4
Gustafson  3
Colbert    3