Last night's games. SMH

[89Falcon]

Keep an eye on 2AD1-12 #4 seed Joaquin

[Matthew328]

I think the amount of money the UIL makes off a bi-district football game is vastly overrated especially with attendance at games VASTLY dropping...a lot of schools lose money on playoff games now because there's not enough gate to even cover stadium rental....4 teams in the playoffs was about evening the size of the brackets out so eventually the UIL could move to the single site state championship model...

Coaches also dont want the bye week in the playoffs for the most part...

[Austin1985]

Wanna limit the number of sorry teams qualifying for the playoffs?  Introduced relegation which will kill football programs during re-alignment.  We all know there are hundreds of programs scattered in each region that shouldn't be playing football but no one is ready to have that conversation......

Side note:  I'm surprised diesel prices haven't cancelled a season or 2......

[AggiesAreWe]

1 minute ago, Austin1985 said:

Wanna limit the number of sorry teams qualifying for the playoffs?  Introduced relegation which will kill football programs during re-alignment.  We all know there are hundreds of programs scattered in each region that shouldn't be playing football but no one is ready to have that conversation......

Side note:  I'm surprised diesel prices haven't cancelled a season or 2......

Participation in playing the game is very different than qualifying for a playoff system.

[Eazy]

1 hour ago, prepballfan said:

Was that the 0-10 team?

The 0-57 team.  But they got playoff shirts.  

[tvc184]

Certainly there are some ridiculous games in the first round. 

In some districts the 4th place team might be almost as good as the first place team or certain competitive. In others, usually because of a limited number of teams, the 4th place team is an embarrassment as far as any real shot at moving on. 

Should the playoff rules reflect the majority of situations or the anomaly?

Let’s take the 3 team suggestion. I assume that the first place team gets a bye and the second and third place team play each other in bi-district. That however doesn’t reduce the number of weeks of the playoffs. It is the exact same weeks to the championship but with number one team getting the bye week. There is certainly some merit to that but it doesn’t shorten the playoffs. 

In the current situation, with number one playing number four, if the fourth place team is unworthy of the playoffs, they will quickly be dispatched as we found out last night. So instead of a bye and sitting at home, the number one team gets a patsy and they get to play it at home. That after all, is all we are talking about.  

So between a 3 or 4 team playoff system, at week 2 of the playoffs, the exact same number of teams will be left. In effect, nothing changes as far as the number of weeks until the championship game.  For 2/3 of the teams, it will be the same number of games regardless.

It seems like a tempest in a teacup. LET’S KEEP THAT FOURTH PLACE TEAM OUT!!

So the only real significant change in the playoffs would be to reduce the number of playoff teams to two and be done with it.

If the goal is a reward for being number one, it makes sense to change the current system. Merely eliminating a fourth place team for the sake of eliminating the fourth place team however, changes almost nothing except for a bye week perk for the number one team.

[navydawg31]

1 hour ago, tvc184 said:

Certainly there are some ridiculous games in the first round. 

In some districts the 4th place team might be almost as good as the first place team or certain competitive. In others, usually because of a limited number of teams, the 4th place team is an embarrassment as far as any real shot at moving on. 

Should the playoff rules reflect the majority of situations or the anomaly?

Let’s take the 3 team suggestion. I assume that the first place team gets a bye and the second and third place team play each other in bi-district. That however doesn’t reduce the number of weeks of the playoffs. It is the exact same weeks to the championship but with number one team getting the bye week. There is certainly some merit to that but it doesn’t shorten the playoffs. 

In the current situation, with number one playing number four, if the fourth place team is unworthy of the playoffs, they will quickly be dispatched as we found out last night. So instead of a bye and sitting at home, the number one team gets a patsy and they get to play it at home. That after all, is all we are talking about.  

So between a 3 or 4 team playoff system, at week 2 of the playoffs, the exact same number of teams will be left. In effect, nothing changes as far as the number of weeks until the championship game.  For 2/3 of the teams, it will be the same number of games regardless.

It seems like a tempest in a teacup. LET’S KEEP THAT FOURTH PLACE TEAM OUT!!

So the only real significant change in the playoffs would be to reduce the number of playoff teams to two and be done with it.

If the goal is a reward for being number one, it makes sense to change the current system. Merely eliminating a fourth place team for the sake of eliminating the fourth place team however, changes almost nothing except for a bye week perk for the number one team.

Well said. 

[lionpride08]

3 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Because it has happened multiple times doesn't really validate anything.

That's like saying making 10 out of 100 free throws validates one a good free throw shooter just because the shooter provided proof of making a free throw.

To me it's about the overall numbers and not the outliers when it comes to a valid playoff system. Percentages say 2-3 team playoffs make for less blow outs and much more competitive games overall.

 

It also shortens the season by 1 game… never seen so many people complain about more football in Texas. But then again plenty of 4 seeds would make the playoffs and even win in other districts. But due to location they might be stuck in the same district year after year. Why not give that team a chance to make a run like the rams of Joaquin.

[AggiesAreWe]

6 minutes ago, lionpride08 said:

It also shortens the season by 1 game… never seen so many people complain about more football in Texas. But then again plenty of 4 seeds would make the playoffs and even win in other districts. But due to location they might be stuck in the same district year after year. Why not give that team a chance to make a run like the rams of Joaquin.

Going to three teams does not shorten the season. Just gives the district champ a bye first round. Would still have 6 rounds of playoffs. Would still have the same amount of weeks in the season (17, 11 regular, 6 playoff)

Again, there are outliers (Joaquin as an example) but the numbers are much more in the favor of bad games from 4 seeds. I can assure you it's in the 90% that #1 beats #4.

Like I said, 4 teams as a whole is not needed.

[lionpride08]

4 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Going to three teams does not shorten the season. Just gives the district champ a bye first round. Would still have 6 rounds of playoffs. Would still have the same amount of weeks in the season (17, 11 regular, 6 playoff)

Again, there are outliers (Joaquin as an example) but the numbers are much more in the favor of bad games from 4 seeds. I can assure you it's in the 90% that #1 beats #4.

Like I said, 4 teams as a whole is not needed.

Lot of 1 seeds going down tonight it seems… Consol just upset Randle, WOS is down, China Spring upset sealy, etc.

[LCM 83]

Does anyone know if a 4 seed in any classification won or played in a State Championship game?

[JackofAll]

26 minutes ago, LCM 83 said:

Does anyone know if a 4 seed in any classification won or played in a State Championship game?

According to the AI, Katy Taylor in 2019 and Joaquin in 2024 made it to the state semi-finals but no fourth place team has ever won a state championship or played in the state championship game. 

[BBfan061]

12 hours ago, lionpride08 said:

Lot of 1 seeds going down tonight it seems… Consol just upset Randle, WOS is down, China Spring upset sealy, etc.

Sealy wasn’t the one seed

[DukeS]

3 teams is my ideal but if coaches don’t want a bye week, then only the top 2 teams should make the playoffs. 

Sending 50% or more teams to the playoffs from a district feels too much like a participation trophy for the 3rd and 4th teams. 

[lionpride08]

10 hours ago, BBfan061 said:

Sealy wasn’t the one seed

Yeah I seen that forgot they were in Seville district but it was still a big upset. China Spring is down

[Matthew328]

22 4th place teams did win in Rd 1....which is about par for the course

 

Rockwall-Heath

Round Rock

Red Oak

Humble Atascocita

Waller

San Antonio Warren

Mansfield Summit

Beaumont United

A&M Consolidated

Wichita Falls Legacy

Liberty Hill Legacy Ranch

Springtown

Henderson

San Antonio Davenport

Tuloso-Midway

Pecos

Henrietta

Arp

Ozona

New Deal

Joaquin

Flatonia

[Matthew328]

18 hours ago, JackofAll said:

According to the AI, Katy Taylor in 2019 and Joaquin in 2024 made it to the state semi-finals but no fourth place team has ever won a state championship or played in the state championship game. 

Joaquin made state last year, but they were a 3 seed....I believe Tyler Chapel Hill made the state semis in 2022 as a 4 seed as well 

[AggiesAreWe]

2 hours ago, Matthew328 said:

22 4th place teams did win in Rd 1....which is about par for the course

 

Rockwall-Heath

Round Rock

Red Oak

Humble Atascocita

Waller

San Antonio Warren

Mansfield Summit

Beaumont United

A&M Consolidated

Wichita Falls Legacy

Liberty Hill Legacy Ranch

Springtown

Henderson

San Antonio Davenport

Tuloso-Midway

Pecos

Henrietta

Arp

Ozona

New Deal

Joaquin

Flatonia

How many lost? What was average margin of loss?

By my calculation, if 22 won, then 138 lost. (this is only counting 6A-2A, not 1A).

14% win, 86% lost.

Like I said, the playoffs would be just fine with 3.

[Matthew328]

4 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

How many lost? What was average margin of loss?

By my calculation, if 22 won, then 138 lost. (this is only counting 6A-2A, not 1A).

14% win, 86% lost.

Like I said, the playoffs would be just fine with 3.

Coaches would hate 3 because of the byes...we are never going back to 2...we are stuck with 4 and this was a pretty normal year when it comes to 4 seeds....

[Eazy]

Half of those 22 #4 seeds were favored to win.  Biggest upsets probably would be A&M over Randle and Ozona over Post.