The BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL - PASSED THE HOUSE

[UT alum]

23 hours ago, baddog said:

I can’t believe you posted that. What a cheap shot.

Talk about a pot calling the kettle black. Look at your post, man. You dismissed the 14 year old bed bound because of child labor laws, not his disability. Follow your cheap shot logically, and a 30 disabled person not bound by child labor laws should work. Build a better argument if you don’t like getting called out.

[UT alum]

21 hours ago, bullets13 said:

There is a substantial amount of abuse, but I would assume that people with genuine need will not be affected negatively. The amount of able-bodied parents I’ve dealt with in my career who chose to either work part time or not at all to maintain their Medicaid and welfare benefits was astonishing. I would be 100% against any bill that makes it more difficult or impossible for someone who truly needs help to get what they need. 

Where is the abuse? Ineligible users? Medicaid, like Medicare, sets prices. Bills and payments pass between the program and providers. The fraud is perpetrated by providers, not the insureds. Given the Weasel’s record of letting business off the hook, don’t look for much fraud reduction. The reductions will come at the expense of the poor and disabled. Trump don’t care.

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[Big girl]

1 hour ago, bullets13 said:

Yes we will. If I start hearing about people truly in need being denied in large numbers (not an occasional mistake that the media will surely jump on) then I will rescind my support. 

Ok

[Big girl]

1 minute ago, UT alum said:

Where is the abuse? Ineligible users? Medicaid, like Medicare, sets prices. Bills and payments pass between the program and providers. The fraud is perpetrated by providers, not the insureds. Given the Weasel’s record of letting business off the hook, don’t look for much fraud reduction. The reductions will come at the expense of the poor and disabled. Trump don’t care.

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A lot of physicians submit fraudulent claims. We have a whole dept that is responsible for investigating providers.

[UT alum]

4 minutes ago, Big girl said:

A lot of physicians submit fraudulent claims. We have a whole dept that is responsible for investigating providers.

Yes, and the right wing clowns blame the poor, the minorities, and illegals.  Remember the “welfare Cadillac”?  Ronald Raga** started the wedge driving way back yonder in ‘80. 

 

[baddog]

41 minutes ago, UT alum said:

Talk about a pot calling the kettle black. Look at your post, man. You dismissed the 14 year old bed bound because of child labor laws, not his disability. Follow your cheap shot logically, and a 30 disabled person not bound by child labor laws should work. Build a better argument if you don’t like getting called out.

Well, that was not what was meant, but you can take it and run with it. It was a cheap shot. I knew AAW had a special needs son and I made no reference to his son or any other handicapped individual. Big girl acted like the bill said to take kids off ventilators…..It doesn’t, but it wouldn’t surprise me if she said I approved of them being removed. That’s the way you lefty’s function. Twisting people’s words, intentionally misunderstanding, looking for that gotcha moment because you cannot argue armed with your policies. Go chant free Palestine with your hamas brothers. You know, the ones who sneak in at night and murder, rape, and behead babies. I can see how you would need to claim moral ground.

My mention of working as a young teenager was to show Big Girl that some of us have initiative even at a very young stage in our lives. I made no suggestion to anyone else…..but both of you think so……SURPRISE, SURPRISE! 

[AggiesAreWe]

6 minutes ago, baddog said:

Well, that was not what was meant, but you can take it and run with it. It was a cheap shot. I knew AAW had a special needs son and I made no reference to his son or any other handicapped individual. Big girl acted like the bill said to take kids off ventilators…..It doesn’t, but it wouldn’t surprise me if she said I approved of them being removed. That’s the way you lefty’s function. Twisting people’s words, intentionally misunderstanding, looking for that gotcha moment because you cannot argue armed with your policies. Go chant free Palestine with your hamas brothers. You know, the ones who sneak in at night and murder, rape, and behead babies. I can see how you would need to claim moral ground.

My mention of working as a young teenager was to show Big Girl that some of us have initiative even at a very young stage in our lives. I made no suggestion to anyone else…..but both of you think so……SURPRISE, SURPRISE! 

I just thought your post was too broad. That's all.

Sorry for misunderstanding.

[baddog]

6 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I just thought your post was too broad. That's all.

Sorry for misunderstanding.

It’s forgotten. I am not a monster.

[OlDawg]

How Medicaid is being used to illegally cover illegal immigrants in multiple states:

(My understanding is this is one of the ‘cuts’ that’s being addressed.)

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[AggiesAreWe]

18 minutes ago, baddog said:

It’s forgotten. I am not a monster.

I'm not saying you are. 

But you have to understand from my point that when the government starts talking about making cuts to programs that benefit folks like my son, I get a little worried. The government has thrown the baby out with the bath water on some occasions. That's all I am saying.

[Big girl]

43 minutes ago, baddog said:

Well, that was not what was meant, but you can take it and run with it. It was a cheap shot. I knew AAW had a special needs son and I made no reference to his son or any other handicapped individual. Big girl acted like the bill said to take kids off ventilators…..It doesn’t, but it wouldn’t surprise me if she said I approved of them being removed. That’s the way you lefty’s function. Twisting people’s words, intentionally misunderstanding, looking for that gotcha moment because you cannot argue armed with your policies. Go chant free Palestine with your hamas brothers. You know, the ones who sneak in at night and murder, rape, and behead babies. I can see how you would need to claim moral ground.

My mention of working as a young teenager was to show Big Girl that some of us have initiative even at a very young stage in our lives. I made no suggestion to anyone else…..but both of you think so……SURPRISE, SURPRISE! 

No, you were excited because people on Medicaid have to work at least 20bhours/week. I merely asked about those who couldn't work

[baddog]

2 minutes ago, Big girl said:

No, you were excited because people on Medicaid have to work at least 20bhours/week. I merely asked about those who couldn't work

Of course that’s where you’d go. Just because I didn’t say the able bodied, you assume the worst. Yes, get up off your butt and contribute. You don’t agree? Of course not.

[OlDawg]

48 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I'm not saying you are. 

But you have to understand from my point that when the government starts talking about making cuts to programs that benefit folks like my son, I get a little worried. The government has thrown the baby out with the bath water on some occasions. That's all I am saying.

Agree. Not on Medicaid. But, Trump’s attempts to do away with ACA his first term—with no replacement—still have me worried. No one would cover my wife without the protections offered by ACA.

Granted, her Parkinson’s Plus is untreatable & incurable at this time. But, Botox shots help with the paralysis/palsy & she is at higher risk for other issues that may need coverage.

We pay over $2600/mo. for the privilege of having insurance cards. Still have high deductibles & co-pays. But, we’re not allowed to have a catastrophic plan by law.

We do get a little of it back at tax time.

[bullets13]

2 hours ago, UT alum said:

Where is the abuse? Ineligible users? Medicaid, like Medicare, sets prices. Bills and payments pass between the program and providers. The fraud is perpetrated by providers, not the insureds. Given the Weasel’s record of letting business off the hook, don’t look for much fraud reduction. The reductions will come at the expense of the poor and disabled. Trump don’t care.

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The abuse is able-bodied adults in their 20s, 30s, and 40s choosing not to work so they can suck off the government teat. The amazing thing is that for a long time those same folks could get income tax returns of up to $10,000. Another common fraud is filing for benefits as head of household as a “single mother” when the father lives in the house. I saw that multiple times every year when I worked in Beaumont. That said, you’re absolutely right that there is plenty of fraud perpetrated by providers. If the visit is free for the patient, do they ever really pay attention to what services the office is charging to Medicaid?

[LumRaiderFan]

2 hours ago, UT alum said:

Where is the abuse? Ineligible users? Medicaid, like Medicare, sets prices. Bills and payments pass between the program and providers. The fraud is perpetrated by providers, not the insureds. Given the Weasel’s record of letting business off the hook, don’t look for much fraud reduction. The reductions will come at the expense of the poor and disabled. Trump don’t care.

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Do you really believe that?

Serious question.

[baddog]

2 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Do you really believe that?

Serious question.

Emmanuel Hostin comes to mind.

[Big girl]

10 hours ago, bullets13 said:

The abuse is able-bodied adults in their 20s, 30s, and 40s choosing not to work so they can suck off the government teat. The amazing thing is that for a long time those same folks could get income tax returns of up to $10,000. Another common fraud is filing for benefits as head of household as a “single mother” when the father lives in the house. I saw that multiple times every year when I worked in Beaumont. That said, you’re absolutely right that there is plenty of fraud perpetrated by providers. If the visit is free for the patient, do they ever really pay attention to what services the office is charging to Medicaid?

Yes. Some providers charge for services that the patient never received. They also up up  code or code in   bundles. There are some who submit claims on patients that they have never seen

[thetragichippy]

1 hour ago, Big girl said:

Yes. Some providers charge for services that the patient never received. They also up up  code or code in   bundles. There are some who submit claims on patients that they have never seen

So, if that is stopped by this bill that would be a cut/savings - waste, fraud and abuse…….

looks like you support the bill….unless you support doctors abusing the system

[UT alum]

15 hours ago, baddog said:

Well, that was not what was meant, but you can take it and run with it. It was a cheap shot. I knew AAW had a special needs son and I made no reference to his son or any other handicapped individual. Big girl acted like the bill said to take kids off ventilators…..It doesn’t, but it wouldn’t surprise me if she said I approved of them being removed. That’s the way you lefty’s function. Twisting people’s words, intentionally misunderstanding, looking for that gotcha moment because you cannot argue armed with your policies. Go chant free Palestine with your hamas brothers. You know, the ones who sneak in at night and murder, rape, and behead babies. I can see how you would need to claim moral ground.

My mention of working as a young teenager was to show Big Girl that some of us have initiative even at a very young stage in our lives. I made no suggestion to anyone else…..but both of you think so……SURPRISE, SURPRISE! 

I know AAW, and he doesn’t get offended without good reason. Look inside yourself instead of spewing all over me and BG to hide your embarrassment.

[UT alum]

13 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Do you really believe that?

Serious question.

I certainly do. Did you read the piece? So, you think the patients fake sick so they can collect money that passes between the program and the provider? Do you really believe that? Or is it that the poor and elderly fake their income or age to get free insurance? Do you really believe that? 

[UT alum]

14 hours ago, bullets13 said:

The abuse is able-bodied adults in their 20s, 30s, and 40s choosing not to work so they can suck off the government teat. The amazing thing is that for a long time those same folks could get income tax returns of up to $10,000. Another common fraud is filing for benefits as head of household as a “single mother” when the father lives in the house. I saw that multiple times every year when I worked in Beaumont. That said, you’re absolutely right that there is plenty of fraud perpetrated by providers. If the visit is free for the patient, do they ever really pay attention to what services the office is charging to Medicaid?

Billing is not the patient’s responsibility.  Able bodied adults can too easily get welfare and TANF plus child tax credits. Proving disability to qualify for Medicaid is quite a different matter. Not nearly as easy. 

[baddog]

5 minutes ago, UT alum said:

I know AAW, and he doesn’t get offended without good reason. Look inside yourself instead of spewing all over me and BG to hide your embarrassment.

Not embarrassed at all. That’s what you’d like to think. AAW said he was sorry for the misinterpretation and I said it’s forgotten. I guess you completely overlooked that part. Seems like you are butting into something that doesn’t even concern you. 
My definition of embarrassment is anyone voting for Kamala. 

[UT alum]

14 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I'm not saying you are. 

But you have to understand from my point that when the government starts talking about making cuts to programs that benefit folks like my son, I get a little worried. The government has thrown the baby out with the bath water on some occasions. That's all I am saying.

That raises an interesting point. We must remember that opposition or favor of any government program depends on whose ox is being gored. I like Social Security and Medicare. I can see where a 30 year old might not. Start talking about reducing or eliminating those benefits and my ox is being gored. Talk about a bloated defense budget and Boeing’s et. al. oxes are being gored. Government is big, bloated, and unnecessary - until it isn’t.

[LumRaiderFan]

2 hours ago, UT alum said:

I certainly do. Did you read the piece? So, you think the patients fake sick so they can collect money that passes between the program and the provider? Do you really believe that? Or is it that the poor and elderly fake their income or age to get free insurance? Do you really believe that? 

Do I believe there is fraud from recipients when it comes to disability benefits?

Yes.