The BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL - PASSED THE HOUSE

[LumRaiderFan]

6 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

Yep… immediate tax cuts funded by spending cuts that start in 2029… but we all know that won’t ver happen. 
 

This is going to be disastrous for our national debt. Interest expense is the second largest component in our federal spending, so the solution is to borrow more? Outstanding.  

lol, another prediction.

[Big girl]

2 hours ago, baddog said:

Of course not. You say the dumbest things. Child labor laws prevent that. However, when I was 13, I was getting up @ 2:00 a.m., throwing my paper route, coming home and maybe getting a nap, getting up and going to school, coming home and throwing an evening paper. I could collect for the paper and have over $100 on me at one time in a zippered bank pouch. Couldn’t do that today. Too bad those days are gone forever. Some people have initiative…..even young teenagers.

I don’t trust your source. Isn’t that what you usually challenge?

What about a 20 year old with the same issues?

[Big girl]

1 hour ago, AggiesAreWe said:

My 30 year old autistic son is on Medicaid due to his disability. Are you suggesting he get a job to support himself?

I understand there is some abuse going on with these benefits but there are some people that need these benefits desperately.

Yes. I agree. ABA therapy is currently helping a lot of autistic kids. Will they still be able to fund this?

[Big girl]

1 hour ago, baddog said:

I can’t believe you posted that. What a cheap shot.

Answer his question.

[baddog]

6 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Answer his question.

I did.

[bullets13]

1 hour ago, AggiesAreWe said:

My 30 year old autistic son is on Medicaid due to his disability. Are you suggesting he get a job to support himself?

I understand there is some abuse going on with these benefits but there are some people that need these benefits desperately.

There is a substantial amount of abuse, but I would assume that people with genuine need will not be affected negatively. The amount of able-bodied parents I’ve dealt with in my career who chose to either work part time or not at all to maintain their Medicaid and welfare benefits was astonishing. I would be 100% against any bill that makes it more difficult or impossible for someone who truly needs help to get what they need. 

[Big girl]

40 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

There is a substantial amount of abuse, but I would assume that people with genuine need will not be affected negatively. The amount of able-bodied parents I’ve dealt with in my career who chose to either work part time or not at all to maintain their Medicaid and welfare benefits was astonishing. I would be 100% against any bill that makes it more difficult or impossible for someone who truly needs help to get what they need. 

Never assume

[bullets13]

10 hours ago, Big girl said:

Never assume

Like when you assumed Trump is going to kick kids on vents off of Medicaid? Hypocrisy at its finest.

[thetragichippy]

11 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

lol, another prediction.

You'd think he would learn,,,,,lol

[Big girl]

26 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

Like when you assumed Trump is going to kick kids on vents off of Medicaid? Hypocrisy at its finest.

Decreased funding= inadequate care. Nursing agencies could possibly receive lower reimbursement so they could refuse to accept Medicaid. We already have this problem so it is only going to get worse.

[thetragichippy]

11 hours ago, bullets13 said:

There is a substantial amount of abuse, but I would assume that people with genuine need will not be affected negatively. The amount of able-bodied parents I’ve dealt with in my career who chose to either work part time or not at all to maintain their Medicaid and welfare benefits was astonishing. I would be 100% against any bill that makes it more difficult or impossible for someone who truly needs help to get what they need. 

@AggiesAreWe - If I thought for a minute this bill would deprive anyone with TRUE disabilities of benefits, I would be totally against this bill. Until it is proven different, I'm taking them at their word it is for waste, fraud and abuse. 

On a similar topic ( @Big girl listen close) - In my younger days I worked in EMS for 8 years, then after that I ran 2 different rent to own companies.

In EMS, the "sick calls" when people call ambulances to claim they are sick (or may have a cold) to basically get a taxi ride across town was almost daily. 99.9% had no insurance. It was a loss for the ambulance company and hospital. If they had Medicaid, they were using an expensive emergency room for what could of been a Doctor visit at far less money.  Hospitals do not turn sick people away like some of  the left want you to believe. 

Rent to own - I worked for Rent A Center (hated that place btw) - 75-80% of our customers were on SSI or some type of government housing.  They spent a significant amount of their money on Big Screen TV's and furniture. Some would furnish their entire section 8 apartment with rental furniture. I remember some paying 75-100 a week back in 1990.....$400 a month back then would of financed a Corvette.... Yet they needed housing assistance/food stamps??  Also, we were in the same parking lot as the food stamp office. There would be 100's of people selling their food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar.... That was back when there was no internet or ways to electronically scam the government.......Can you imagine now?

So, I am for cutting waste, fraud and abuse........

[thetragichippy]

12 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Decreased funding= inadequate care. Nursing agencies could possibly receive lower reimbursement so they could refuse to accept Medicaid. We already have this problem so it is only going to get worse.

He did not say he was cutting benefits. He said he was cutting waste, fraud and abuse. You are making things up to spread false information that supports your hate of trump. 

For you convenience, Below I have attached the ACTUAL BILL as passed by the house. Why don't you read all 1118 pages and tell the class where it says he's going to cut benefits for the true disabled.......

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[Big girl]

1 hour ago, thetragichippy said:

@AggiesAreWe - If I thought for a minute this bill would deprive anyone with TRUE disabilities of benefits, I would be totally against this bill. Until it is proven different, I'm taking them at their word it is for waste, fraud and abuse. 

On a similar topic ( @Big girl listen close) - In my younger days I worked in EMS for 8 years, then after that I ran 2 different rent to own companies.

In EMS, the "sick calls" when people call ambulances to claim they are sick (or may have a cold) to basically get a taxi ride across town was almost daily. 99.9% had no insurance. It was a loss for the ambulance company and hospital. If they had Medicaid, they were using an expensive emergency room for what could of been a Doctor visit at far less money.  Hospitals do not turn sick people away like some of  the left want you to believe. 

Rent to own - I worked for Rent A Center (hated that place btw) - 75-80% of our customers were on SSI or some type of government housing.  They spent a significant amount of their money on Big Screen TV's and furniture. Some would furnish their entire section 8 apartment with rental furniture. I remember some paying 75-100 a week back in 1990.....$400 a month back then would of financed a Corvette.... Yet they needed housing assistance/food stamps??  Also, we were in the same parking lot as the food stamp office. There would be 100's of people selling their food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar.... That was back when there was no internet or ways to electronically scam the government.......Can you imagine now?

So, I am for cutting waste, fraud and abuse........

1. Before managed care companies started to manage the Medicaid population they didn't have a PCP so the only option was the ER. Now we encourage them to get well child checkups annually. They are also instructed to call their PCP when they are sick

2. What does that have to do with someone being on Medicaid which is income based. Maybe they got an income tax return and bought a tv. Could you afford medical care without insurance? I am sure that you have a nice car, etc

3. Mdcp program uses the kids income so parents who have a lot of money use Medicaid as their secondary insurance because their kids are really sick

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[baddog]

1 hour ago, thetragichippy said:

@AggiesAreWe - If I thought for a minute this bill would deprive anyone with TRUE disabilities of benefits, I would be totally against this bill. Until it is proven different, I'm taking them at their word it is for waste, fraud and abuse. 

On a similar topic ( @Big girl listen close) - In my younger days I worked in EMS for 8 years, then after that I ran 2 different rent to own companies.

In EMS, the "sick calls" when people call ambulances to claim they are sick (or may have a cold) to basically get a taxi ride across town was almost daily. 99.9% had no insurance. It was a loss for the ambulance company and hospital. If they had Medicaid, they were using an expensive emergency room for what could of been a Doctor visit at far less money.  Hospitals do not turn sick people away like some of  the left want you to believe. 

Rent to own - I worked for Rent A Center (hated that place btw) - 75-80% of our customers were on SSI or some type of government housing.  They spent a significant amount of their money on Big Screen TV's and furniture. Some would furnish their entire section 8 apartment with rental furniture. I remember some paying 75-100 a week back in 1990.....$400 a month back then would of financed a Corvette.... Yet they needed housing assistance/food stamps??  Also, we were in the same parking lot as the food stamp office. There would be 100's of people selling their food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar.... That was back when there was no internet or ways to electronically scam the government.......Can you imagine now?

So, I am for cutting waste, fraud and abuse........

My sentiments exactly (bold)^^^^

I recall a Wizard convenience store on Lucas being busted for buying food stamps for .50 on the dollar, back in the day. 
 

I believe Trump is trying to stop the abuse while ensuring that Medicaid is no being used for cosmetic surgeries or gender surgeries for the sick in the head.

[Eagle11]

26 minutes ago, Big girl said:

1. Before managed care companies started to manage the Medicaid population they didn't have a PCP so the only option was the ER. Now we encourage them to get well child checkups annually. They are also instructed to call their PCP when they are sick

2. What does that have to do with someone being on Medicaid which is income based. Maybe they got an income tax return and bought a tv. Could you afford medical care without insurance? I am sure that you have a nice car, etc

3. Mdcp program uses the kids income so parents who have a lot of money use Medicaid as their secondary insurance because their kids are really sick

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Sometimes it is better without insurance. I had an MRI 2 weeks ago. They called to tell me with my insurance the cost was $1738 out of pocket (I have a high deductible plan). I asked what it costs with no insurance...........$235. I told them I accept the $235 cost. 

So sometimes insurance isn't your friend

[Big girl]

38 minutes ago, baddog said:

My sentiments exactly (bold)^^^^

I recall a Wizard convenience store on Lucas being busted for buying food stamps for .50 on the dollar, back in the day. 
 

I believe Trump is trying to stop the abuse while ensuring that Medicaid is no being used for cosmetic surgeries or gender surgeries for the sick in the head.

Texas Medicaid does not pay for cosmetic surgery nor does it pay for gender surgeries

In Texas, Medicaid does not cover gender-affirming surgeries. This is due to a policy that prohibits the use of public funds for such procedures, including those related to transgender care, 

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. This policy applies to state-funded insurance plans like Medicaid. 

[baddog]

19 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Texas Medicaid does not pay for cosmetic surgery nor does it pay for gender surgeries

In Texas, Medicaid does not cover gender-affirming surgeries. This is due to a policy that prohibits the use of public funds for such procedures, including those related to transgender care, 

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. This policy applies to state-funded insurance plans like Medicaid. 

Good for Texas. Now, what about the other 49 states (or 52 if you’re Obama)? Where was Kamala going to get funds for trans surgeries for prisoners? You can Google that now.

[thetragichippy]

1 hour ago, Big girl said:

1. Before managed care companies started to manage the Medicaid population they didn't have a PCP so the only option was the ER. Now we encourage them to get well child checkups annually. They are also instructed to call their PCP when they are sick

2. What does that have to do with someone being on Medicaid which is income based. Maybe they got an income tax return and bought a tv. Could you afford medical care without insurance? I am sure that you have a nice car, etc

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1. Doctors have accepted Medicaid since 1982.  Why do people have to be instructed to call a doctor when they are sick versus going to the ER.  You don't need a HS diploma to figure out what to do if you are sick.

2. Maybe they got an income tax return to by a tv? Rent to own in making weekly payments, no one buys a TV from a rent to own place.....they are 25-30% higher than a retail store. I do have a nice things and toys. I earned them and worked hard for it with no college degree. Only millionaires can afford medical care without insurance....because a 3 day stay in the hospital could cost 300K......because those prices are jacked up to make up for the uninsured. 

What you are saying indirectly is not everyone is equal......I think everyone is equal, it's just bad decisions that separate us. I am not including folks with learning or physical disabilities. They need our help.

[thetragichippy]

57 minutes ago, Eagle11 said:

Sometimes it is better without insurance. I had an MRI 2 weeks ago. They called to tell me with my insurance the cost was $1738 out of pocket (I have a high deductible plan). I asked what it costs with no insurance...........$235. I told them I accept the $235 cost. 

So sometimes insurance isn't your friend

Yup - my insurance is out of pocket until I reach 2K deductible(which is not great, but company does put money in HSA) - Quick Clinic charges me almost $400 depending on what bloodwork and test they do for for a normal I'm sick and running fever visit....$200.00 cash including everything if I self pay......

Obamacare really screwed up the medical insurance....before him, I was golden